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9:00 PM
Hello, is anyone here familiar with the gmail SMTP? Or is this the wrong room to ask this in?
 
@RichardA Kinda, but I will say that unless you're using PHPMailer or Swiftmailer, try using one of those first if you're having gmail SMTP issues.
 
@ircmaxell Mixed feelings.
 
@Charles I'm using Laravel 4, which uses Swiftmailer.
@Charles The thing is though, everything is sent. The only thing that's wrong is that the FROM address is not being set correctly.
 
@RichardA Is it doing the "via" thing on delivery?
 
9:02 PM
"Via" thing?
 
@RichardA Where it shows froms as "From: Foo Bar, via Baz Quux" or somesuch, where Foo Bar is what you set but Baz Quux is the proper address for the account?
 
@Sherif Because they're giving a hint on how to make the RFC better - it's a waste of everyone's time if the removing of the superglobals is in there, even if there is a good idea behind the RFC.
 
@Charles No, it's not going that.
Let's say the TO address is foo@gmail.com and the FROM address is bar@gmail.com right.
It'll say the FROM and TO address is foo@gmail.com
Even in the e-mail headers it sets the FROM address to the TO address.
 
That makes very little sense, and is outside of my experiences with gmail.
 
It makes very little sense indeed, which is why I'm like "WTF is this?"
Even weirder is that I tried to turn it around. In this case I used an outlook account to receive it. It went perfectly normal there.
 
9:08 PM
@Sherif btw you really ought to propose some code in an RFC like this....
 
@Danack Sounds like reductive reasoning to me. Why would you assume that it's a waste of everyone's time if you haven't any actual supporting arguments for it?
 
What's interesting however, is that in the headers, the line that says From is incorrect, while the line that says X-Google-Original-From is correct.
 
@Sherif Because it's two separate things i) Remove super globals ii) make something better that means that people don't need those superglobals. No matter how good (ii) is people aren't going to accept it because of (i).
 
@Sherif Breaking every single application is a massive argument.
 
@Danack In other words, you still have no supporting arguments for it you're just arguing that you don't like it? Got it.
 
9:11 PM
 
@Sherif Jeebus Christ. I don't want my current apps to break. And I really don't want to be forced to upgrade to a new OO interface that may not actually suit my need. If you want to make something awesome, go for it! But don't fuck stuff up for other people.
 
@Sherif breaking everyone's code is not an option, no matter how much you want it. Having a new HTTP interface may be something people want, but you need to put it in a separate RFC if you want this interface to ever have a chance to go in core
 
Breaking everyone's code is always an option when the existing solution is fundamentally broken. magic_quotes and regist_globals come to mind.
 
@Sherif replacing SAPI would require at least 3 iterative version. You cannot just remove functionality.
 
Replacing SAPI?
 
9:15 PM
@Sherif it's not fundamentally broken. $_GET and $_POST are form methods, and there is php://input for the rest
 
@Sherif I assume you are NOT talking only about $GLOBALS
 
but anyway, I don't even want to talk about this. If you want your RFC to have a chance, you need to remove the removal of superglobals of it
 
@Sherif btw when you issue an RFC, you really ought to be ready for feedback that doesn't agree with it, instead of just criticising people who don't like the idea.
 
@Sherif I fully agree with that sentiment, and would have said the same thing
 
@ircmaxell Signing RPM packages appears to be a shit-show. Do you know anything about it, in particular whether this blog post accurately describes how to do them 'best'?
 
9:17 PM
@Sherif magic quotes, and $_GET are two very different things
@Danack not my area of expertese, sorry
 
you cannot simply expect to replace superglobals with new interface in 1 step
 
@ircmaxell They are birds of the same feather. They both approach the problem in a naive manner that proves less useful than the alternatives.
 
also: you want to replace superglobals with more super globals: var_dump(HttpRequest::$parameters->bar); // int(1) <-- yeah, no
 
here is a real life usecase for you: replacing mysql_* with MySQLi
think on it ... see what lessons you can glean from it, @Sherif
 
@Sherif sorry, strongly disagree
 
9:19 PM
On what basis?
 
you can build clean code using superglobals, you can't build secure code using magic quotes.
 
@ircmaxell I think he meant as an instance
not a static method
 
@FlorianMargaine the examples are static
 
well, we use Class::method to talk about instance methods too, don't we?
 
@FlorianMargaine not in real code
 
9:20 PM
not when you have a variable there
 
fair enough
I was trying to defend him :P
but yeah, if it's a static method... doh
 
also, posted an RFC about declaring an interface, where the RFC doesn't declare an interface?
 
@ircmaxell clean and secure aren't the same thing. You are defending one thing and arguing against another. That doesn't make for a contrast or comparison. It just means you have one reason to hate magic_quotes and another reason entirely to be OK with GPC. I'm arguing that they are both a naive approach to the problems they respectively attempt to solve.
 
@Sherif correct. Secure is objective. Clean is not
hence why magic_quotes shouldn't have ever been a part of core, since it couldn't be what it promised to be (secure)
 
The RFC is a WIP, btw. The discussion is intended to see what others have to say about the idea. I'm very much interested in all sides of the coin.
 
9:23 PM
also: I will always be a -1 to replacing globals with statics. Since statics are simply disguised globals...
 
@ircmaxell One can argue that $_GET is also not what it promises to be. The objectivity here is that PHP is a web-focused language and as such it lacks a conforming interface to dealing with HTTP messages.
 
@Sherif honestly, I don't think an interface is a good idea either. But if other people like it, well, okay. However, the removal of superglobals is simply a big-no from everyone. If you want your interface to be integrated, you have to remove the removal from the RFC
 
@Sherif Until your last email, it didn't even hint at providing a default implementation, it lacks a lot of details ...
 
@Sherif I do agree the way of handling information from requests could be handled better, I really think that it needs to be done through a set of procedural functions though . Procedural functions can be composited together into any OO library. The opposite isn't true, and it can be a royal pain in the arse to use OO code in a procedural way.
 
@Sherif it promises to get the values out of a GET form submission.
and it does it well.
 
9:25 PM
@FlorianMargaine That's entirely inaccurate. $_GET is populated from the query string, which is a part of the request. i.e. you can have a form with a method of GET and still have nothing to do with the form.
 
@Sherif And I have no issue creating an abstraction of a HTTP message. Statics are not that. And I don't think you can argue that something that's worked for years --sorry, no, decades-- is "not what it promises to be". Can it be made cleaner? Sure. Can it be improved? Of course. But that doesn't mean its so fundamentally broken it needs to be removed immedately...
 
It's an inaccurate representation of where in the HTTP request the data is coming from.
 
who cares?
 
@Sherif, you also might gain some support if your proposal cleanly and sanely handles cases where stdin needs to be processed, either for POST data or for multipart/form-data or whatever.
 
it's an inaccurate representation that everyone understands
 
9:27 PM
Right, I forgot, that you have deferred with everyone on earth and concluded that they all understand this. My mistake.
 
@ircmaxell I'd say it's innacurate in that it tricks people into believing that it's about GET and POST requests ... people deffinately don't understand it.
 
@Narf but they use it to build software of all sizes
@Narf and I'm not saying it shoudln't be improved. I'm saying that to suggest ripping it out is folly, at least without several major versions of proof that the alternative is significantly better and seeing greater adoption...
 
@Sherif also, I think there's something you don't fully understand... but BC break is a big deal. A huge deal. BC break is serious business. And you're proposing something that will break literally every single application built in PHP since it was born.
 
@ircmaxell I completely agree with that, I just don't agree that everybody really understands what $_GET and $_POST are.
 
9:30 PM
@Narf they understand it well enough to use it
 
I wonder, which language is the one with "accurate representation of where in the HTTP request the data is coming from."
 
@FlorianMargaine Please don't make any mistaken assumptions about what I do or do not understand. I appreciate your concern and it's definitely on my list of things to address. So far I find all of these feeble arguments trivial to address in the RFC and I intend to tune it to do so :)
 
@Sherif it's not about arguing... it's about BC break
 
@ircmaxell It's not worth arguing over that ... :)
 
even if something was the biggest thing since sliced bread, if it involved a huge BC break, it'd be... circumvented to not BC break
 
9:32 PM
@FlorianMargaine Yes, it's about arguing against BC break. I get that. I'm not enthusiastic about breaking backwards compatability, but for the purposes of my prototype it is necessary to fix a performance concern.
 
@FlorianMargaine no. You disagree with him. It obviously means that you are insulting his person and are wrong by default.
 
@Narf :-P
 
@FlorianMargaine Yes, that's how we got 15 years of mysql_*
 
"So far I find all of these feeble arguments " - How to win friends and influence people.
...
 
@Sherif MySQLi API has been around for 10 years now
 
9:34 PM
@tereško And mysql_* is still here. What's your point?
 
exactly
 
do you know WHY it is still around ?
 
Because of a refusal to act.
 
Haha
 
9:36 PM
I love that one
 
Yes, that's exactly what it is. The suggestion to deprecate mysql_* was long ignored on Internals for years and years until someone finally decided to put a plan into action.
 
The best placement ever I've seen of this meme.
 
Even then when the plan came about it was hastily so.
But... on internals "group think" always wins. My strategy is to defeat the group think in one fell-swoop rather than fight it off one person at a time :)
 
@Sherif do you know, what deprecation warnings do on 100k+ line systems which noone has updated in years and nobody is willing to rewrite ?
 
@Sherif I don't want to be dismissive of you... and I don't know how to say it in a good way... but it seems you don't understand what BC break implies
 
9:40 PM
@tereško answer: get turned off
@Sherif the only way to win at that strategy is to not play it.
 
We'll see about that.
 
@tereško "might as well rewrite in node.js"
 
@ircmaxell yes .. after it has once crashed the system, because it run out of disk space
 
@tereško assuming they weren't operating at ERROR_REPORTING=0 already, and that they had error logging turned on in the first place (which is saying something)
 
While I unfortunately agree with the general tone here, there is something to be said of developers who expect legacy applications to "just work" when deploying to a new major. I mean, we're basically acknowledging that a few lazy developers can take the future of the language hostage.
 
9:42 PM
@DanLugg not at all
 
@ircmaxell oh , yeah , I actually had to deal with such a system ~32 hours ago
 
@DanLugg it's not saying that everything has to remain 100% BC. it's saying that there has to be a reasonable plan. that you must be able to write code to work on both old and new together, and it must be trivial to do so.
 
/me is out, laterz
 
laterz
btw
pecl/http v2, where is it?
I can only find v1
and I don't really like it tbh
 
hm
I was actually seeing v2
and I don't like it :P
 
:)
 
@ircmaxell And that's fair, however given the glacial release pace on PHP, and the constraints to minor/major version feature inclusion -- this is going to take a long ass time.
 
@DanLugg Which I agree with. The difference between my way of thinking and the opposition's is that I don't cower infront of the problem. I just face it head-on and come up with a solution that doesn't keep the language from moving forward. For example, if they bothered to consider how this interface would make it possible to maintain BC with GPC they would find it trivial. Though they'd much rather spend an inordinate amount of time and effort telling me how such an RFC wouldn't pass a vote :)
 
9:47 PM
fak it , I'm gonna play some XCOM
 
@Sherif The reality is, for this RFC to pass it'll have to be broken down into I) add new interface II) deprecate old interface III) remove old interface -- the time between which may require you passing this project onto your offspring.
 
@DanLugg I disagree. I actually have a plan that doesn't become a prisoner of this doom.
Some thinking outside the box is necessary here, but I'm willing to see it through.
 
Luck isn't necessary, although favorable.
 
yeah... I just hope I won't work with a library of yours tbh. If BC break is of such little concern for you, I'd rather not.
 
9:51 PM
@Sherif If you've got a plan, you should share it ... the RFC so far says "add an interface, drop superglobals" and nothing else.
 
37 mins ago, by tereško
@Sherif replacing SAPI would require at least 3 iterative version. You cannot just remove functionality.
 
@Narf I fully intend to. I haven't had as much time as I would have liked to clean up my implementation and share it, but the discussion does give me some good starting feedback for what issues people have in mind.
 
@DanLugg This image is also for me. I just stopped in to commiserate. They have me making major changes to live production code that people are actively using to donate money to us.
ulcer ulcer ulcer ulcer ulcer
 
@ChrisBaker mushroom MUSHROOM!
@tereško I know, I just elaborated.
 
@FlorianMargaine You seem to be under the mistaken impression that BC break is of little concern to me. That is entirely false. However, the reason I chose to disengage with you is explicitly because of your aggressive attitude to dominate the negative and avoid the positive :)
I've learned long ago that people with this attitude are never worth engaging with.
 
9:55 PM
sure, ignore me then
 
... because ignoring people who tell you, that you are wrong, is the true path to the enlightenment
 
@ircmaxell when you are up to it I would love to hear your opinion about github.com/PeeHaa/OpCacheGUI/pull/35
 
No, but ignoring people that wish to focus all of their efforts on the negative and completely ignore and discard all of the positive is definitely a great way to avoid aggravation :)

You see, because those kinds of people will want nothing more than to accumulate massive negativity around you in order to turn everyone away from you. Though if you consider the alternative for just a moment, it's far more enlightening.

Take the good and leave the bad from everything and you can actually create a win-win.
Because no matter how bad you may feel something is, there's always just a little bit of good to be found. The point is not to focus on the bad.
 
@PeeHaa Case sensitive usernames? :-X
 
@DaveRandom Yeah that's my stance as well
I'm not crazy rite?
 
10:05 PM
If you are going to do anything, match in a case-insensitive manner when retrieving the record, then compare the user input with the DB data in a case-sensitive manner - but I can't see any gain here anyway
 
Difference between mac user and Windows user:
Mac user: I just click on the link to see what's behind it!
Windows user: I haven't installed any Anti-virus nor other security mechanisms… no!
 
@bwoebi Clearly you haven't met any windows user :P
 
@Sherif sorry I'm only talking about objective matters here, not... positive or negative vibes
 
The reason given seems to be that "it increases the entropy of the username" but usernames are public so that doesn't hold water
 
@PeeHaa That's something from just 2 mins ago…
 
10:07 PM
In my experience there is a decent part of windows users just clicking on anything
 
@Sherif You're ascribing an awful lot of bad-faith motives to Florian for simply disagreeing with your proposal. It is entirely possible, likely even, that he simply disagrees with you and that you're attributing it to him being a "hater" to avoid confronting his reasonable objections. Just an observation, don't accuse me of trying to cast voodoo on you.
 
@FlorianMargaine There's nothing objective about what you said. Please don't lie to yourself.
 
And by anything I mean http://maliciousdomain.tk/virus-imma-destroy-your-pc.exe
@DaveRandom Care to comment on the PR? :)
 
@ChrisBaker No. I'm simply choosing to disengage in his line of discussion because it is entirely biased and baseless. Not because he disagrees with anything, but because he's being aggressively pursuing me to engage in a no-win conversation which I chose not to engage in.
:)
 
@PeeHaa I'm not talking about the typical Windows user but about someone who has a bit idea of threats ^^
 
@DaveRandom "irrelevant usernames"
a la SO
 
He presumably thinks username and password is some form of two-factor auth or something
 
@PeeHaa what for?
 
Rebeccaday
 
Rebecca!
 
10:11 PM
well, that's in 49 mins.
 
Damn... I have a dilemma. I'm on my mobile, so I can't copy paste stuff... And I just shut down my PC. But someone is wrong on the internet!
 
What's in 1 hour?
 
Meh. I'll just go to bed.
 
@Sherif Ok someone's got to say it; you sound like a massive bell-end.
 
In 1 hour it is still friday :P
 
10:11 PM
@PeeHaa oh, really?
 
@bwoebi Fa-fa-fa-faaaa-riiiiiidddaaaaaaaayyyy!
 
yeap
 
@FlorianMargaine I am offended by this. I am in fact a pretty lady.
Pieday
 
It's already friday here :P
 
GTFO
:P
 
10:12 PM
@Danack I honestly don't even know what that means. I've never heard that expression before. However, if your intention is to insult me I'm sorry to say that your efforts are going to be fruitless.
 
@Narf And you are still here instead of listening to Rebecca because...?
 
lol
 
@PeeHaa Dammit, my time dilatation extractor doesn't work!
 
:-)
 
@DaveRandom It sort of is, but if your entire security paradigm is built around case sensitivity on user names, then you probably need to head back to the dry erase board.
 
10:12 PM
@DaveRandom having unique and case-sensitive usenames leads to names like RealJimmy2002
 
@DaveRandom I've got no idea who Rebecca is :)
 
@Narf Get educated: rebecca.blackfriday
Daaaamn son
You've got that on speed dial
 
Do note BTW @DaveRandom @tereško, the system doesn't support a db backend. It's a hardcoded / single user user+pass combo (if that chances anything)
 
Ok, here's another reason: Rebecca sucks :D
 
10:14 PM
@PeeHaa Not really (IMO)
 
The domineering approach of "you will not win" and "you are wrong" and "you don't seem to know this or that" is one intended to draw negative attention towards your opponent so that people can only see what's wrong and none of what's right. It is a weak attempt to win an argument without having to prove anything, because it relies on gathering a critical mass around the opposition so that you win by sheer force and not by any rationale.
It seems to be working perfectly here were people like @Danack have devolved to personal insults :)
 
@PeeHaa so ... what is the point of username then ?
 
@Narf Goddamnit. You have posted (exactly) 100 101 messages and you still don't know your shit!?!?!
 
@tereško This is a good point
 
That is a good point
 
10:15 PM
When you say "hard coded", you presumably mean in a config file?
 
I can tell you why it is like it is now: basically because I always do that :P
 
@Sherif Feigning offense and turning the criticism on your detractor's tone rather than answering any of their criticisms is logical fallacy 101.
 
@DaveRandom yes sir
 
@Sherif Protip: When you say a thing and everyone tells you that you are wrong, and you instead say that they don't understand and then provide no additional details, you kinda do come off as ... off. Please go fix your RFC with concrete solutions, and then try having this discussion again.
 
Who cares HOW Florian said it, answer the criticisms. The martyr thing is so wearisome.
 
10:16 PM
mmm, I mean not having a username does feel a bit weird, but I would also argue that a GUI for opcache doesn't actually need to be fort knox anyway so the whole discussion is somewhat academic
 
@ChrisBaker Actually, I have no problem to address criticism that is worth addressing. Just not comments like "you don't seem to understand BC".
 
.. here we go again
 
@DaveRandom It also provides a way to reset the cache though
 
@PeeHaa Which is really no different whatsoever to running PHP without the cache, which many people have been doing for years without issue
 
10:18 PM
@Sherif That is answerable. Or, you can get all wound up and play the victim. The former will deflect the criticism, the latter leaves it on the table unanswered. If you do, in fact, understand BC, then explain how you have accounted for BC or why the benefits outweigh the broken code. Or explain how it isn't a factor. You've done none of these things, only played tone police. The fact that you don't like the way Florian worded his critique isn't going on the RFC, is it?
Whereas I assume you'll address BC.... right?
Bah, anyway.
 
Also, frankly, if you put management tools like that on the public internet, not restricted by IP or requiring VPN access or something, you deserve whatever you get
 
Well, this was fun. Back to playing production code cowboy for the next several hours.
 
@ChrisBaker Fair enough.
@FlorianMargaine To address your BC concerns (and not your concerns of my understanding or the lack thereof) consider that since the interface allows you to define the implementation as you see fit, this leaves us with the distinct possibility that the implementation can populate the superglobals directly in an effort to maintain BC.
 
For fuck sake, why didn't you say that at the beginning?!
 
Your approach turned me off from the conversation, honestly.
 
10:23 PM
That's not too bad, either. A lot of code is using some kind of oop interface for interacting with the request, so to many, the superglobals are superfluous.
 
Which means you're just changing implementation anyway... And an interface (as in your proposal) can't do that. An implementation can.
Also, it's the first thing everyone told you way before we started talking, so your argument is weird... But well
 
@FlorianMargaine No, the RFC has two parts. One is the the interface, which offers up a uniform way to deal with the request. Of course, since PHP has to have some default way to provide this implementation there has to be a default HttpRequest class that facilitates this interface.
 
Gotta go to bed, waking up early tomorrow. Cya
 
Now, the difference here is that you can extend that class to override or modify the default behavior, but in a way that remains consistent with any other means that deals with the interface.
 
@DaveRandom Yeah as a matter of fact I also wanted to add ip restriction to the thing
 
10:27 PM
@PeeHaa yeah .. I would recommend restrict it to localhost
thus making it available only via an ssh tunnel
 
@FlorianMargaine Have you ever stopped for a single moment to consider that it's possible to improve upon someone else's idea rather than to say that it's only ever possible for an idea to be good or bad?
 
...
 
Confession: I've never used mysql from terminal.
 
1 hour ago, by Danack
@Sherif Because it's two separate things i) Remove super globals ii) make something better that means that people don't need those superglobals. No matter how good (ii) is people aren't going to accept it because of (i).
 
@tereško Sounds like a perfectly valid default yeah. I people either disable that or change it they either know what they are doing or fuck themselves over
 
10:29 PM
That's what we've been doing since the start.
 
@Danack I seem to have lost the memo where everyone provided you with the authority to speak on their behalf. However, the removing of superglobals is necessary, albeit unclear here. It's only necessary for me to not populate them during the request initialization phase for performance reasons. It's not necessary for me to remove them from the language entirely to attain that goal. So as long as they exist it's still possible for the implementation to continue to populate them.
 
As I said - you sound like a massive bell-end.
 
Not entirely a bad idea.
 
@Danack I see that you've once again devolved to personal insults for a lack of objective discussion.
 
10:32 PM
@Sherif Dude, just get out.
Seriously.
Nobody seems to like this discussion.
 
@webarto phpMyAdmin?
 
Come back when your RFC is no longer half-baked and full of horrible ideas.
 
"I seem to have lost the memo where everyone provided you with the authority to speak on their behalf. " Tu Quoque!
 
@ChrisBaker Navicat, SQLyog, etc. GUI tools. Why bother, right.
 
Good luck on getting constructive discussion out of php-internals.
With your current attitude, they'll eat you alive.
 
10:34 PM
@Danack I never claimed what everyone would or would not do. So I can't imagine how that's relevant.
 
@webarto I'm with you, I use workbench or phpMyAdmin. In a pinch, I'd rather write the queries in a php file and do it that way. I'll go out of my way to avoid terminal.
 
@webarto I prefer Workbench or CLI .. and both play pretty nice with ssh tunnels (for cases when on the remote server the access is restricted to localhost only)
 
We started doing master-master replication, though, and for that I unfortunately have to monkey around in the black box. Every time, I'm like lolDOS
 
@tereško You never have issues with ssh tunnels fucking up the connection?
 
Out of curiousity, @webarto, do you ever use a *nix OS for anything other than server stuff? Like as a desktop OS?
 
10:37 PM
@Charles Aren't you the charming little cutie :)
 
@ChrisBaker *nix also runs on a desktop now? :P
 
@PeeHaa rarely. Last time I had any major issues was when the destination system was accessible only through 2 others (think: kinda like playing Uplink) ... then again, it was production DB for Ergo insurance dealers ..
 
@tereško Yes, tunnel of course, I haven't seen "open" server in a while. I opt to CLI if not other options.
@ChrisBaker Right, I'm having a hard time formatting tables and data, and it's just f* up compared to GUI. Plus I don't want to type same ol' queries for 100x.
@ChrisBaker Ubuntu, moving away from Windows, but I weep for some apps, there's just no replacement. But, for development, there's no question that POSIX one should be your first choice.
I install games on wifey's 'puter :P
I'm thinking MacBook 13" will be my next machine (Gawd help me).
I can work and use Photoshop to make funny pictures of @rdlowrey.
 
Huh. In my experience, people who use nix for desktop tend to favor CLI for *everything
huh, markup fail.
 
Don't blame yourself :)
 
10:44 PM
@ChrisBaker I do for most stuff, but I'm not sadomasochist :P
Worst kind of people are the ones that use GUI for git :P
5
For svn it's mostly justified. But you shouldn't svn in the first place :P
 
@ChrisBaker you probably have this impression because for you seeing someone a terminal feels extraordinary
 
Thanks for the star stranger, I needed that tonight, maybe I'm not going to drink myself to sleep.
 
@webarto agree, both points
 
:)
 
@tereško Nah, I have putty running in Windows all day to keep an eye on top. But yes, as someone who prefers Windows, I prefer GUI.
 
10:50 PM
why do you need putty on windows ?
 
To ssh into the colocated server 40 states away
@webarto Pah! Before I started using phpStorm (which has git integrated), I used the Github windows client. It isn't awesome, but I'd rather not learn obscure commands when I can just click something. I'm busy.
 
so ... lemme repeat the question: why do you need putty on windows ?
 
I didn't say need
 
"want" ?
 
Use. It stores the settings. It wasn't a complex decision.
Do you have some bone of contention with putty?
Am I inferior, as a person, because I use it? :p You're weird sometimes.
 
10:56 PM
@ChrisBaker it cannot do ECDSA
 
Neither can I
 
and it looks like ars
 
lol, I use it to watch top
 
and it cannot do tabs
 
I use it to watch top
 
10:57 PM
2 mins ago, by Chris Baker
Do you have some bone of contention with putty?
 
It looks like a black square with white letters, man, IDK
 
you asked
 
Ah
Fair enough
@tereško Console2 worth the install, eh? Never looked at it. But, as we were discussing, I'm not a heavy CLI user
 
it makes a pretty CMD
for ssh/git/hg/grep/openssl/wget you would need to instal CygWin
 
11:05 PM
Now that's a blast from the past! I learned C so I could tinker with MUD server code (text-based precusor to MMORPG), had Cygwin for compiling.
 
11:21 PM
Hi! How do you save timestamp into SQL ? I used CREATE TABLE mytable(id INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, text TEXT, date timestamp(14) NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (id))';
would you use a field date timestamp(14) NOT NULL or something else ?
 
hi
 
@Basj what have you tried ?
 
@tereško I tried date timestamp(14) NOT NULL that I filled with `INSERT INTO mytable(date) VALUES('" . time() . "')";
(with the correct `, ', ", etc. ) ;)
but then when displaying the result, I get such hours : 00'00 00:00
 
@tereško so should I do INSERT INTO mytable(date) VALUE(NOW()) ?
 
11:32 PM
yes .. well, kinda
you will have to escape the "date", because it's probably a reserved word
 
VALUE(NOW()) seems correct ?
 
"values"
 
it works, thanks :)
 
@WesleyCrushed Hmm... what makes this different?
 
user652649
@LeviMorrison <a href="page.php#anchor"> is not matched by $('a[href^=#]')
 
11:37 PM
But why is that the href?
 
user652649
so is in the source :D
 
Is it in the HTML that way or..?
 
user652649
yes
 
user652649
sometimes it works and sometimes not because imho, some mirrors have in the page source <a href="#anchor">this works</a> while other mirrors print instead <a href="selfpage.php#anchor">this doesn't work</a>
 
user652649
i haven't checked anyway but that must be it
 
11:57 PM
@ChrisBaker Nice, I used to MUD too.
 

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