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8:00 AM
@SecondRikudo Can't be that outdated :P Only want to look for more learning samples again :P
 
@DanLugg they have good tracks. But not all of them. I like their Enigma part, but dislike Pornigma part :\
 
@Fabien Try and see, not sure if it's private or not.
If it is, I'll unmark it as private for you
 
@AlmaDo Wow, congratulations. They are keeping quiet with me.
 
@Leri well, I didn't do anything. They just sent invitation.. so it's their interest
 
@SecondRikudo I only see two repos. Testing and BB. Want my username to only open it for me or just go public?
 
8:02 AM
@Fabien Yeah, sure, give me your username
 
so, @SecondRikudo , how's the new job ?
 
@AlmaDo The Dutchies are interested in you? ;-)
 
@AlmaDo I see. Have you respond them yet?
 
@SecondRikudo fabor
 
@Leri I've responded. In any case that may be interesting. I would like to know what they're offering
@Jack they're in Amsterdam.. Netherlands .. so is it Dutch?
 
8:04 AM
@Fabien Try now
@tereško Not bad, was given a small task to get exploring on the system's architecture.
 
@AlmaDo what?
 
Minimal Legacy code, team head is not a moron
 
Cheers @SecondRikudo
Works fine :)
 
@SecondRikudo what's your responsibility there?
 
@AlmaDo Ehh yah?
 
8:05 AM
@Jack I don't know :p
 
all people from the netherlands are dutch (unless they are on holidays or so but you know what I mean) ROFL and I know it I live in NL XD
 
@AlmaDo Yeah, booking.com has Dutch roots :D
 
@AlmaDo Cool. If you really will to relocate, it's quite a good chance, imho. If the offer is good enough, of course.
 
I have no idea. That's why I've asked :p
 
My goodness.
 
8:06 AM
@Leri I don't know right now. We'll see...
 
Anyway, booking.com is a nice company I've heard.
 
@AlmaDo Right now? Not much.
 
@tereško shuddup =p
 
@Leri the idea isn't to "relocate" :D it's "to find new interesting job"
 
@tereško whats that or bullshit jeez
 
8:07 AM
@AlmaDo Not sure about Russia but they are synonyms for me. :P
 
don't be rude.
 
[Err] [Dtf] 20 - Disk is full writing '.\mysql-bin.000259' (Errcode: 28). Waiting for someone to free space... (Expect up to 60 secs delay for server to continue after freeing disk space)
 
@iroegbu Uh oh, that be not good ;-)
 
/me chuckling at "waiting for someone"
 
@Leri hehe. I'm not in Russia :\ I'm in Moscow. They are two different countries..
 
8:09 AM
@AlmaDo there another country within Russia, it's called Leningrad or something =P
 
@tereško You misspelled "Ukraine"
 
nope, I didn't
 
@AlmaDo And remember, The Netherlands is not (strictly) the same as Holland :)
 
@AlmaDo hehe. BTW, countries where capital has different life sucks. /me looks @my country
 
8:10 AM
@tereško actually, I was in S. Peterburg (=Leningrad). No, it's almost same as Russia. But Moscow... no. Different people, different prices, different life. Different country. It's not a joke or overestimation. It is so
 
oh @SecondRikudo did you get to the model on this?
 
@Fabien Not really
 
@AlmaDo Still same currency, though?
 
I may have another repo, but I don't think I pushed it anywhere and my PC's not on me.
 
@AlmaDo well, in Latvia we have "Riga" and "the boonies"
 
8:11 AM
@Jack I don't know how Holland is linked with NL.
 
@SecondRikudo fair enough
 
@Jack nominal. But many things are for $ or euro (if you wish so)
 
@AlmaDo It's ... complicated .. but not so much as the EU .. by gawd, what a mess that is.
 
@AlmaDo Holland is more likely as netherlands main country but "the netherlands" contains more countries...
Holland is also mainly based of 2 provinces in our country called north holland and south holland...
but do we care if you call this country holland or netherlands not really it's the same for us xD
 
@SecondRikudo I looked at @tereško's stuff for it. Looks good but I get lost at some point :D
 
8:16 AM
@Fabien don't use it as example
it was made in 2 and a half weeks
 
@tereško same here. "Is there any life outside MSAR?" (MSAR = Moscow Side Auto-Road). And - if you'll travel even ~100km from Moscow, you'll find that it's indeed different country. Moscow != Russia. Besides, We have 16 mil. registered population here. But in fact it's 22 mil + (non-legal foreigns..)
 
@tereško 2.5 weeks worth of work from you is 2.5 months for me. So as an example for me it's probably pretty good.
 
so 22+ mil is quite enough for the country :D
 
@Fabien believe me: it's bad
 
@Leri is it same in Tbilisi?
 
8:17 AM
@tereško How's Fracture moving along?
 
@SecondRikudo it kinda got split up in separate libs and I am currently trying to figure out what I need for DI container
 
@AlmaDo Yeah.. Tbilisi has its life... More than 1/3 of population lives here. Everything outside of it is pretty dead.
 
@Leri then you know what I mean. We have 1/7 population here.. (or even 1/6)
 
the primary repo is still there, but it's not even up to date
 
8:20 AM
@AlmaDo And this is one of the main reasons, why I want to relocate... Also IT here sucks. The best job is either gambling or banks. I hate both...
 
@SecondRikudo because there is some magic going in how it gets autoloaded and it is a pure "reflective DI container" , while what I need is a hybrid of reflected and predefined (config based)
 
Mornings
 
Morning @DaveRandom
 
@tereško You can predefine objects there, it's not purely reflective.
 
@DaveRandom Morning.
 
8:21 AM
also, I really need to figure out it for myself
 
Also, reflection will always be magic.
@tereško Guess that makes sense.
 
hi, @DaveRandom
 
@DaveRandom Mohnin
 
@Leri well, we actually have good IT companies here. That's why there's a chance that I'll stay
 
@AlmaDo I'd try/like to find job there too if I was not kinda afraid...
 
8:28 AM
@Leri you may try RF, btw. If you'll face troubles with Europe, of course. I think it will be easier to relocate to RF
 
@SecondRikudo It's only magic when you don't take the time to read src ;-P
 
@AlmaDo Yeah and I am more fluent with [spoken] Russian as well. However, I feel insecure about relocating there. Maybe it's just politics and rumors...
 
@Leri hm... well, it's fun here (:
but, yes - the political system become more and more like USSR
 
@AlmaDo I am more concerned about dangers that may arise due to my nationality. If I won't like political system, I can leave anytime. However, I won't be able to leave if I am killed. :Ь
 
@Leri You're right about that. There are such moods here - but not to your nation (because russians & georgians have same fate at least). In Moscow there would be problems with middle-asian nationality.. but not with yours.
 
8:39 AM
@AlmaDo Thanks for some information. But it's shame that we are talking about it now. :/
 
What's the deal with the "A" modifier for preg_*? I mean, it's the same as anchoring with "^" and it doesn't cover "$". Seems to me it'd make more sense to anchor the pattern on both ends...
 
@Leri in some sense, yes. In Moscow all are just tired of many non-legal asians :\ Around 1/3 of population are them. I don't mind, but others.. Heh, if you will be able to move to Europe - do it.
 
ThW
@DanLugg Not exactly afaik, the handling of a trailing \n should be different
 
@Jack No php :P But they would take you if you switch to Perl.
Buddy that was working in eBuddy now works at Booking because Booking acquired eBuddy :D
 
@ThW But isn't that covered with "D"?
 
8:43 AM
@AlmaDo I'll do my best. I hope I'll get in touch from booking.com at the end of this week as their automated text said. I'd know how the process is with them.
 
@DanLugg this is a mess with different EOL. My advice - use proper regex. A & D may be replaced within it
 
@AlmaDo part of problem is also that media is using illegals as focus for public's unease with current economic situation
illegals are essentially used as scape-goat
 
right
 
Understandably, but in my brain it just seems that the modifier would be more useful if it anchored both ends; such that "/foo/AD" would match only "foo".
 
I don't listen to TV. I don't remember when I watched it last time. I have no TV...
 
8:44 AM
neither have I
 
Then again, in my brain it'd make more sense if there weren't delimiters, and modifiers were passed as a separate argument...
 
@Leri so you were also invited?
 
@AlmaDo No, I've applied their Perl dev position.
 
@Leri oh, ok. Well, if we both are lucky, meet you in Amsterdam :D
 
I am willing to learn perl for a while so I am even more interested.
@AlmaDo Hehe. That would be really nice. :Ь
 
ThW
8:46 AM
@DanLugg yeah you're right, it is just alternative syntax
 
@ThW *shrug*, bah well
 
@DanLugg it's ended. More! :p
 
@AlmaDo lol, oh! The album. I had no idea what you were talking about :-)
I got nothing; I just restarted it for now
$something = (array) $traversable; -- What would should the most "predictable" behaviour be?
 
@DanLugg ok, in a favor for you (if you like jazz) - this
@DanLugg [$object]
 
lol, 80s early 90s themed jazz.
 
9:01 AM
that is for really bad ass (:
 
github.com
 
@AlmaDo Okay, check this out hypnoticdirgerecords.bandcamp.com/track/birth -- rest of the album may not be your taste, but its' got some sweet/odd sax in this song.
 
aw someone fixed it ...
 
@JoeWatkins Works.
 
github was hacked for a minute there ...
 
9:03 AM
Really? :D
 
yeah
 
@JoeWatkins yeah. github.com : for really bad asses
 
@JoeWatkins It's probably the time-traveller again.
 
@DanLugg is it such kind of sax?
 
@AlmaDo Nah, much saxier ;-)
 
9:05 AM
> could not prepare statement (1 RIGHT and FULL OUTER JOINs are not currently supported)
/me cries ^
 
MySQL?
@DanLugg oh, good
 
@AlmaDo sqlite
 
@Leri what do you want from near-csv-storage-engine-DBMS ?
 
Github security is crap related to the the amount of private repositories with sensitive data.
It's better to host your own thing, what they don't know, they can't hack.
 
@AlmaDo That's the native DBMS on android. :p
 
9:07 AM
@Leri fine edit :p install something else
 
-.-
 
@TOOTSKI so sdfkjkj234asdfjnsldkw234ndsfk.com ?
 
lol, Google Play Store -- Super App! (sorry, this app doesn't support Android)
 
@Leri oh, I know! Install Oracle!
 
With right join life would be great but...
 
9:10 AM
:16037492 SQLite (WebSQL) not available in your browser. Try either using a webkit-based browser (such as Safari or Chrome) or using the SQLite (SQL.js) database type. :(
 
Oops.
 
There was few things that should not be public. Hold on.
 
@Leri I'll try with js
your query is fine. What's wrong with JOIN ?
 
@AlmaDo SQL.js will give nearly same results.
@AlmaDo Query is fine but iterations to map proper entities degrades performance.
 
9:12 AM
late today :(
Issues with the bike. But I am test riding one of these brand new this afternoon! :D
 
dribble
/me intends to do full license this summer ....
 
@Leri iterations to map? what is it?
 
@JoeWatkins Full bike license? You have a CBT then?
 
yeah
 
9:15 AM
@AlmaDo ORM, in my current implementation (which sucks) I iterate over results query for groups and phone numbers and create entities.
 
and yeah
 
@Leri wait.. how the hell ORM & query execution are linked? Or you're implementing SQL JOIN manually?
 
I'm guessing he's doing it in his repository?
 
@AlmaDo Yes. -_- Basically, it's not even ORM, it's DAO to hide nasty sql from application.
 
@AlmaDo Ah, Web SQL has been deprecated heehee
 
9:17 AM
@Jimbo for the last three summers I've spent a couple of grand on NS125/RS125/RG125's ...I'm tired of the unreliable, I'm tired of not being able to use motorways, and I'm confident enough now, so not going to spend any more money on two strokes, just gonna pay for the training / test at once instead ...
 
@Leri if your intention is JOIN, then.. do it. There's nothing else that you can use to replace this operation (ah, well, subquery, but it's even worse). It's like trying to replace + in math..
 
@JoeWatkins Fair enough. I've had enough of unreliable with second hand bikes... don't want to worry about having to replace the exhaust system / corrosion etc. So instead of buying one on finance (it's 12 grand 0.o) with like 10% APR, thought I'd just get a loan over 4 years at < 5% APR and pay £230 p/m ish
 
@TOOTSKI The only thing I remember about Perl is a book with a camel.
 
all the bikes that really make me turn my head are late 90's early 00's ... I haven't even thought about that yet ...
I'll take a rusty exhaust over a rebuild every few months any day :)
 
@Jack Yeah, they're looking for good programmers willing to switch to Perl (you don't have to know anything), of course, the ones who know would have precedence. Booking.com is great and it sucks at the same time, totally intuitive.
@JoeWatkins Petrolheads :P
 
9:21 AM
hehe
better than Zalora who figured that moving from LAMP to Haskell is the best idea.
 
LOL
 
happstack.com or of couse, snap.
 
@AlmaDo Maybe this And then subquery with where ... in ...? Also, my group by seems broken.
 
> Many common errors are eliminated in Happstack simply because it is written in Haskell.
 
;-)
 
9:23 AM
The most common error: not writing things in Haskell.
 
@rdlowrey .... gentle (but noticeable) nudge ...
 
@Leri your group by is broken since it's prefixed by "my" :p
 
@AlmaDo Hehe. So my only chance is to go dirty here? :/
 
@Leri I'm not sure why are you trying to implement JOIN or GROUP BY manually. Can't even imagine the reason..
 
@AlmaDo What should I be doing then? (assuming what I am doing is obvious) If not I can clarify.
 
9:28 AM
@Leri use DBMS ? i.e. use DBMS implementation of such things?
 
@AlmaDo For instance? I am confused now...
 
@Leri after this question, I'm confused too
 
Just tell me what you had in mind while saying that. My brain lags today.
 
First of all I still can't understand what's wrong with JOIN. It's the thing that would be done within DBMS engine. Yet in the same time you've said that it's kind of work for your ORM. How? E_UNSTUCK for me
 
9:37 AM
ORM was the wrong term to start with. Here's what I have:

1. Database with that scheme.
2. Respective entities (Contact, Group and PhoneNumber)
3. DAO for all of them that is responsible for building those entities with relationships handled.
 
define DAO
 
Data Access Object.
 
is it some Android-related thing?
 
It's Java related thing.
 
I'm noob in Java :(
 
9:38 AM
Data access logic goes in that layer.
Mostly it's CRUD.
 
so you don't have scheme "create SQL somehow (possibly with ORM query builder part)" -> pass it to driver -> "magic happens (DBMS executes SQL)" -> driver responded with result -> "yay" ?
 
@JoeWatkins Like a British
 
@AlmaDo No, I write inline sql in DAO. When DBMS responds with data, iterate over it, create entities and adding it to list.
 
hehe
 
@Leri can you make DBMS execute your whole SQL and after that respond with data?
 
@AlmaDo Yes, when Service layer contacts DAO, DAO executes sql and returns data to Service.
 
Nope, some people in my country are not insane.
 
@Leri how DAO can "execute SQL" is it's a job for DBMS?
 
@TOOTSKI Same person?
 
I guess so
 
9:45 AM
@Jimbo Do you think it's a good idea to ask the OP to post some code rather than closing it directly?
 
@DanLugg Yeah, good ol' social communism... Leave your religion at the doorstep of your house.
 
@AlmaDo Oh, sorry, DAO asks dbms to execute SQL and gets results back in form of Cursor
 
@ICanHasCheezburger Yep
 
I ought not to open the news anymore.
 
@Leri so.. scheme is: you create SQL (somehow) -> pass it to DAO (which works with cursor) -> it pass SQL to DBMS -> DBMS execute this SQL -> return it to DAO -> then it result with some cursor -> you work with this cursor ?
 
9:47 AM
@TOOTSKI I don't. Mind you, I know that in 20 - 30 years when I do, I'm gonna be really fucking disappointed and surprised.
If, whatever I'm not reading about in the meantime, doesn't kill me.
 
Word :) I should practice more of "not giving a f*".
 
ignorance is bliss
but it's still ignorance.
 
I live in a virtual world anyways.
 
FTR I subscribe to the ignorance thing with news.
 
@TOOTSKI Exactly. Let "future you" deal with the devolving world.
 
9:49 AM
hell I want to sleep. It's a long Tuesday for me :\
 
I make something that doesn't exist physically and I work in a company I'm not physically in.
 
Yeah, then future you can blame past you for being so lazy :D In other words everyone but self::current is to blame.
 
@TOOTSKI Just don't take that practice to the toilet. Might get messy.
"And I poop on a toilet I'm not physically on"
 
@DanLugg :D
 
@AlmaDo Scheme is: DAO is asked for data -> DAO passes inline SQL to android's SQLite abstraction layer -> android's abstraction layer passes it to DBMS -> DBMS executes SQL -> returns to android's abstraction layer -> abstraction layer creates Cursor -> returns Cursor to DAO -> DAO iterates over Cursor and creates List of entities -> returns result to data requester
And I know it's pretty fucked up. ^
 
9:51 AM
then it's same as I've posted (you've only added cursor handling stuff) - right?
 
@AlmaDo Basically yes. The only difference is that DAO is not passed sql, it has one inlined.
 
> We build sites from the ground up, NEVER using any templating, instead we have a designer who mocks up original concepts, a front end developer who builds these in HTML5/CSS3/jQuery. We then integrate them into CMS's for our clients.
He makes templates without templating.
 
@Leri ok. then, attention: what the hell that has to do with JOIN processing ? :p Your JOIN will be handled by DBMS - and then result will be returned as cursor (and from that point your cursor handler will have no idea how that data was delivered)
 
He's even more 1337 than me.
 
@AlmaDo The thing is that I think data that cursor is holding is not efficient to be processed...
 
9:56 AM
@Leri sorry, didn't get that
 
4 day week? Bastard.
 
@Jack caught my attention ^-^
 
@AlmaDo one sec.
 
That was meant to be duplicate, actually.
But I guess the herd went for OT
 
9:58 AM
^ both things are crap, so ok
 
So say the shepherd, there goes the flock!
 
@Jimbo next week is 4 days as well \o/
 
it's difficult to distinguish between them, it maybe multiple reasons too
 
@Jack I hate RTFEM (Read The Fucking Error Message) questions
 
@andho Ohi!
 
9:59 AM
@andho then you hate almost all SO questions
 
@andho on the contrary, they are the most easiest to solve
 
Amazing how many answers it got before closure.
 
@Jack because.. rep. whoring
 
I bet the OP wont select any
 
And it's gone.
 
10:02 AM
lol
 
Would derick curse me if I assign this bug to him? :)
 
is there a way to select only INT fields from a mysql table?
 
@CSᵠ yes
 
@Jack huehuehue
 
10:05 AM
@AlmaDo tell me what to look for please
 
@CSᵠ Do you mean select every field defined as an int type, or convert everything to an int?
 
@Jack please do (assign that to someone)
 
@CSᵠ
mysql> desc t;
+-------+---------+------+-----+---------+-------+
| Field | Type    | Null | Key | Default | Extra |
+-------+---------+------+-----+---------+-------+
| d     | double  | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
| i     | int(11) | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
+-------+---------+------+-----+---------+-------+
2 rows in set (0.00 sec)

mysql> select column_name from information_schema.columns where table_schema='test' && table_name='t' && data_type='int';
+-------------+
| column_name |
 
@DaveRandom select based on field type, currently looking for INT in a table with a lot of fields...
 
@AlmaDo I hope this can explain situation better.
 
@CSᵠ Then not unless you have access to information_schema, if you have access to that then you need to get a list of fields from that, build a query string and create a statement using PREPARE
 
@CSᵠ Doesn't seem to time out on 5.4
 
@DaveRandom sounds good, thanx && @AlmaDo
 
@Leri so your problem then is inside handler of cursor. Not within SQL or it's executing.. If you have to build model (like objects from entities inside cursor) - then blame your architecture. There's nothing you can do at SQL level
 
@AlmaDo Hmm, agreed. Do you have any suggestions here?
 
10:14 AM
Not an American football fan but the fake is pretty damn impressive.
 
@Leri suggestions for what? You can not do anything on SQL level. Because the bottleneck isn't there. It's not important either you'll use JOIN or whatever. Your problem is inside your issue where you have to iterate through cursor - and you'll do that no matter what is inside SQL (that can be even not an SQL result ). So you need to reconsider that, may be. I'm not sure since have no idea about your application
 
heh. yp <-- you gentlemen know what site that is have done a video on making a website to scale
 
@TOOTSKI I just read that job ad again. That's shocking tbh. They're paying 20 - 25k, which realistically is 22k. It's in London, so already that's crap, and they're insisting on jnr status with 2 years experience (which they are, but a little more toward mid imho - I've been doing this 18 months and I'd say I'm not so jnr any more)
 
Odd, a DatePeriod with two dates and "P1D" interval should iterate properly, no?
 
> Please don't upvote this. This is pornography. It is immoral.
Got downvoted in to oblivion on r/php :P
 
10:20 AM
@Fabien Reminds me of a song by Pig Destroyer.
 
.. I guess we'll soon see r/ as a protocol..
 
What does this code do? ....
 
i need some help
 
10:23 AM
SO is not a farm of human VM's. — Jack 7 secs ago
 
@AlmaDo It's pretty clear what that guy's asking
 
@Cody Is it that you require help with your spelling?
 
sorry
 
lol .. tada
 
my bad
 
10:24 AM
@Jimbo yes. But it's unclear why he's asking. (and this reason now is a replacement of minimal understanding)
 
what is the need to pass $row as references to $params in php.net/manual/en/mysqli-stmt.bind-result.php#85470
inside the while loop
 
@Cody because the manual says so? :)
 
@Cody It's complicated. In a nutshell, it's because PHP sucks a bit. Essentially, consider that because you are expecting the variable to be populated with a value at a later time, you have to pass the variable itself and not just the value it currently has.
Trying to dig into it any further than that will melt your brain, and if all you need to do is use the function then just trust that if you do that, then it will work. If you want to understand how it works you probably need to start at the beginning and not in the middle of a very complicated bit.
 
I'm running Git bash (MINGW32), and I'm curious; why don't ANSI escape codes work out of the box? What is the terminal using for colors that isn't ANSI (cause I can only rationalize if it were using ANSI, \x1b[36m should work)
 
10:28 AM
PHP sucks because it takes care of dirty jobs ;-) it's the only way!
 
Hello, can you do 301 redirect from old domain to certain domain and all requests coming to old domain will be redirected to new domain?
 
@Jack call_user_func_array or bind_result need to pass as references
??
 
@Cody The former, no ..
 
@Cody bind_result requires that it's arguments are passed by reference. Because of the way call_user_func_array works internally (and because of the way you construct arrays), in order to pass arguments by reference when calling with an array of arguments, the elements of the array have to be references
 
Thanks @Jack @DaveRandom
 
10:35 AM
@Cody for the record, the bind_result API sucks. Use mysqli_stmt::get_result() and then you can just use the sane fetch_* methods instead
 
thanks for the tip @DaveRandom
 
@DanLugg you need ansicon, search for it in stackoverflow.com/questions/5921556/…
 
@hakre I know, I've used it before; just grabbed it again (new OS)
But I'm wondering, why does Git bash support color without it?
 
 
Anyone familiar with Artax know what the equivalent way of doing CURLOPT_USERPWD would be? tag @rdlowrey
 
10:44 AM
@DanLugg because the binaries are compiled the right way.
 
@DaveRandom Do you know if there were ever any reasons for using the bind_result stuff over fetchy stuff?
 
@Fabien I think you're supposed to deal with that yourself (i.e. set the Authorization: header)
@Danack Stylistic preferences? There are probably some microscopic memory gains to be had somewhere. I imagine it comes down to providing support for INOUT params in stored procs though (does MySQL even have INOUT?)
 
$request->setAllHeaders(['Authorization' => 'user:pass']); then i presume.
 
@Fabien base64 encoded
(for basic auth)
 
Ah cool cheers.
 
10:48 AM
also you have to specify the auth type
 
googles inout mysql
 
@DaveRandom Here's what I am recreating (not exactly but an example)
 
@Danack Args are either IN (passed by values), OUT (passed by ref, initial value unused) or INOUT (passed by ref, initial value may be used)
 
I'm not overly familiar with cURL as it is.
 
@Fabien Yeh see curl will handle the auth process itself (which will involve at least 2 requests) and it will also handle the formatting of the header field value itself. tbh I'd be surprised if Artax doesn't support this in one way or another, but I can't actually find anywhere to do it, maybe an ext (which is what it should be) that's not in the repo?
 
10:53 AM
 
@DaveRandom I'll pause until @rdlowrey is on then I guess :)
 
@SecondRikudo Who the fuck is greg?
 
@DaveRandom That's the meme guy's name I believe
 
Good Guy Greg
There's also Scumbag Steve
but Greg is a better fit because it's a good deed for a bad cause. or something like that.
 

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