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12:14 AM
Incorrect date string to int conversion – #74517
 
Wes
surprisingly, this works 3v4l.org/brrcI
 
12:44 AM
error /etc/ld.so.cache order – #74518
 
1:29 AM
Turk boy ergodan is visiting India.
 
Wes
i hate that guy
he's second on my list of "scary country leaders"
place previously occupied by putin :B
 
1:56 AM
hello all...anyone have any idea how to set up an inventory db? meaning incoming, outgoing, on_hand ...I'm stumped.....;(
 
2:09 AM
@Wes I might be way ahead of myself. I called my dad who has been a software engineer for 20 years to clear up what you were saying earlier.
He's using Ruby on Rails and he had no idea what I was talking about.
And as soon as I started explaining and the benefits of not using active record...
He started arguing with me until I caught him in his own example getting around a problem in active record by not normalizing his DB.
Kind of leads me to believe I might be getting too far ahead of myself for my experience level.
 
Wes
you are a quitter :P
 
I said I might be getting too far ahead.
 
Wes
it's not as hard as you might think... in fact it's probably simpler than what you are doing normally
 
Not that I wanted to stop learning.
I realize tha.
Which is why I'm trying to learn.
 
Wes
"too far ahead" could be an advantage for someone with your age
at your age i could only write code that sucked :B
i struggled and still struggle at everything... some directions would've helped a lot
but there were these things that are not more than trends "code easy for everyone", "rapid application development" that led me where i didn't want to go
i think the most important concept to learn is layering properly. each wrapping layer must use the inner layer, but the inner layer must have no knowledge of the wrapping layer, not even minimally
if you apply this to everything you will naturally end up with clean code
if they start communicating in both directions you end up with a mess
anyway, if you are here it's because you have problems with how you write currently, am i right?
 
Wes
2:40 AM
also i've learned a lot just being here, and this happened fast.... in just a few years. when some words i don't know appear in the room i search and read about them. you are already in this process in case you didn't realize :P and you'll surely learn faster than me... just don't be scared about it... it's easier than you think. also it's not true that writing good code means it will take more time, if that scares you
what takes time is fixing mistakes of bad design
 
Yeah. You can say that again. The code base where I'm at was TERRIBLE when I got there.
It was spaghetti. And the other engineers there still don't understand why it was spaghetti.
 
Wes
:D
 
3:01 AM
Good morning
 
Wes
\o
 
3:40 AM
morning 11
 
morning
 
o/
 
4:35 AM
Hi
have some unexpected message or error on my code [here](http://ideone.com/YpmIc6). when try to delete file from FTP using cURL command.

The remote ftp file delete succe. but i get message "cURL error (78): Remote file not found"

and if i try when remote file is realy not exist : iget error "cURL error (21): Quote command returned error"
 
5:01 AM
posted on May 01, 2017

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
5:27 AM
monday yo
 
is there anyone who can help me with the payment gateway issue for Currency in CCAVNEUE ??
I m unable to find a chat room for it
anone online ???
 
6:07 AM
morningz
 
6:18 AM
mornin Joe
 
o/
 
6:50 AM
\o
 
morning
I almost went to work today
 
almost went to work?
I had my last at the job friday, I am now unemployed
 
it's a "red day" in the calendar
also
@RonniSkansing congratulations
 
oh it's labour day
 
7:02 AM
Thanks
 
are you already looking for a new one or will you be taking an extended vacation?
@Ekin not sure if it's a thing in Turkey
 
yeah it is
 
I am taking a extended vacation and negotiating a consultant contract so maybe the next job will be less hours.. maybe around a 100
\o Ekin
 
o/
 
TBH, I think developers one of the few (if not the only) professions, where taking such extended vacations is actually a normal practice
 
7:05 AM
i don't have holiday it's half day for me..
 
hell, quite often it is the time, when developers actually intensively learn new skills
 
^ yep
and yea feeling very spoiled as a developer
 
@RonniSkansing btw, you might benefit from investing some time in going through these lectures: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD63A284B7615313A (but be warned - those are proper university lectures, I have actually fallen asleep several times while watching)
 
uh, I broke last time I digged into ML. Thanks for the links, it really is something I want a better grasp one (still much at starting point)
bookmarked
 
yes, that
 
> Many deaf people do not consider it a disability to be fixed.
How can someone be this stupid?
 
I think it has to do with accepting who you are and being confortable in your body.
 
... I notice, she's wearing glasses
 
7:38 AM
I'll take that into consideration the next time I develop cancer.
 
this might be related, @MadaraUchiha, @littlepootis
 
That guy needs his own podcast.
I've been listening to Joe Rogan Experience.
 
7:54 AM
hmm ... is it true that Wikipedia has been banned in Turkey? @Ekin?
 
Unfortunately
 
have you already decided where will you be emigrating to?
 
Yeah I am in a process of preparation for that purpose that will take 6 months starting today
 
good
 
Currently considering taking up this endavor
It's 380+ episodes of how to code a game + graphic engine from scratch in C/C++, with no libraries
He's still recording too
@Machavity You know what that didn't get me?
No way is a question on Stack Overflow contain the word "stupid" in its title and remain alive/unedited for long :P
 
8:16 AM
@Ekin Wait, for real?
 
it was on my voat.co "first page" ... not sure why it's not on reddit
 
@MadaraUchiha yeah
 
@Ekin Are people around you aware of how bad things are? Or are they still going all "Our leader protects us from the big bad wikipedia seeking to overthrow us"?
 
there wasn't even a court order for it, though now sure if there is now
some people are just un-saveable
 
where do you intend to move to?
 
8:30 AM
Canada, of course.
 
@littlepootis that probably would be a bad idea
 
@MadaraUchiha "people around me" are, but the more you go from the shores to the interior segments of the country the more unsaveable people you see
 
it's a cold, bilingual country, that seems to be drinking the "cultural relativism" cool-aid
 
@tereško when I returned back here the deals and plans I had would end me up in NL, so I'm still in favor of moving there
 
8:34 AM
@Ekin NL Canada?
 
Netherlands
 
Ah
Yeah, that works
 
aha, NL seems fine
 
and now they lowered the requirements for qualified people from here for a limited time it seems
brain migration, pretty clever imo
 
hello guys I have a problem with sending an email through browser can anyone help me
 
8:36 AM
my country focuses mostly on "money migration" - you need to own a €250k+ property, to become a resident (really popular option among russian intelligentsia)
 
although I'm afraid there will only be their kind of people left in this place if it goes like this because everyone sane is planning a way out... which is sad in a way
 
@Amal Hello sir, this is Mark Buttonworth from Microsoft Tech Support. How may I help you?
 
@littlepootis I'm a girl
I have this php file and when I test it whith appache2 server I got an error
<?php
if( isset($_GET['n']) && isset($_GET['e']) && isset($_GET['m']) ){
$n = $_GET['n']; // HINT: use preg_replace() to filter the data
$e = $_GET['e'];
$m = nl2br($_GET['m']);
$to = "amal.soltni@esprit.tn";
$from = $e;
$subject = 'Contact Form Message';
$message = '<b>Name:</b> '.$n.' <br><b>Email:</b> '.$e.' <p>'.$m.'</p>';
$headers = "From: $from\n";
$headers .= "MIME-Version: 1.0\n";
$headers .= "Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\n";
if( mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers) ){
 
you being a girl is irrelevant, dunno why you felt the need to express that :P
 
@Ekin and just 10 years ago everyone was talking about Turkey joining EU ... now it seems on the way that leads to either Caliphate or failed state.
 
8:40 AM
Probably because I misgendered her.
 
@littlepootis ah I missed that
 
Mornign
 
@Amal you are a pink avatar
also, you probably should try using SwiftMailer for sending emails, because the native mail() function is notorious
 
@tereško indeed... imo that was just a stupid dream of some anyway (TR joining EU)
 
@Amal Thanks for subscribing to my newsletter.
 
8:41 AM
@PeeHaa morning o/
 
@ek
 
o/
 
@Amal also, use php.net/manual/en/function.filter-var.php to validate email
 
@Ekin have you a tutorial on that i just start using php
 
anyway, I'm off to work - be back in 25 min or so
@Amal then you shouldn't be sending emails :D That tends to require about 2-4 weeks of experience.
 
8:44 AM
lol even 2-4 weeks isn't a big experience
 
I have had to work with "senior developers" who had not spent that much time in their entire 10+ year career
 
@Amal You might have better chances of getting your question answered if you told what errors you're being shown.
 
@Ekin Because he called her "sir", probably
 
@littlepootis getting "The server failed to send the message. Please try again later."
 
@MadaraUchiha or maybe @littlepootis is just indian :P
@Amal seriously, try using swiftmailer.org or github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer for sending mails.
ok, I'm off
 
8:48 AM
@tereško ok Thank you
 
@Amal sorry, I'm working right now and not sure what I can recommend you. The manual is useful, building something from scratch and learning along the way is a good way
If I remember correctly phptherightway.com was okay but unsure if it was a fit for beginners
@MadaraUchiha yep I did not see that at first
 
something something php the good parts
 
I own a copy of that book and it's just.. bad.
You're better off reading the manual.
Even more so a good book.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:04 AM
Mornings
 
10:34 AM
strange behavior of AppendIterator – #74519
 
10:58 AM
> The primary goal of any authentication system is to verify the ownership of an account. User's account is the structure in your application to which you associate information about said user. This association can be direct (when the Account entity contains all you know about the user) or implemented using composition (when Account entity contains other entities, like Profile and History).
is this a good description of what "account" is?
 
@tereško SGTM
 
I am writing documentation, ATM
does anyone find this description objectionable?
 
11:15 AM
welcome back, @crypticツ
 
\o
 
moins o/
 
/me is a proud dev-daddy since yesterday \o/
14
 
@staabm congrats on the release! :)
 
11:31 AM
congrats
 
Thx, deployment worked smoothly and seems to be running fine within the first few hours :-)
 
also, you can say goodbye to your sleep cycle for next .. emm .. 3 years
 
^ that
 
Woooohoo, goodbye @sleep-cycle
 
and also, congrats!
 
11:34 AM
@staabm Congratz \o/. boy/gal?
 
Gril.. Named Leia
girl
 
As in startrek leia?
 
Star wars.. right :-)
 
Was waiting for people to bite :)
 
@staabm Congratz
 
11:36 AM
;-))
 
@PeeHaa you like to live on the edge, don't you?
 
@Saitama Yes star wars beyond. Good series
Anybody uses owncloud?
 
well... I don't get it... because I haven't seen any of star wars / star trek (yes, I live on the bleeding edge) :P
 
I dont think you have missed much
 
@Saitama It's ok. I dislike it all :P
 
11:43 AM
@Saitama you would probably gain more entertainment from reading some sci-fi book instead
 
@Jeeves no, you were adopted
 
@Saitama What?
 
Anonymous
What was the composer command you run when you manually update the psr4 path (as in added a class manually)
 
Anonymous
Ah, never mind dump-autoload
 
@PeeHaa @Ekin @staabm Early feedback and text suggestions welcome: amphp.kelunik.com
 
12:02 PM
/me likes how it looks, specially the fonts and the code blocks, also tooltips
makes me think it would be even better if the lower section would be card-based
so the left explanation && right side codes would be more in grid
 
Apr 27 at 13:11, by PeeHaa
Not too big a fan of that playful font right now, but meh
 
Hi guys, why would anyone want to create a tmpfile in php manually?
 
@PeeHaa It's not the same one I guess :D
 
@MadaraUchiha I think only someone with long-term mod or Smokey exposure would know that tho :P
 
12:24 PM
@kelunik Source Sans Pro (what <p> tags use already) itself makes nice looking headings as well imo, if you want to go for a less playful one.
 
@Ekin I used Lato before and those headings didn't look that good, I'll give it a try.
 
Also drop the uses of the word "thus" @kelunik. It reads weird on the homepage
> Every I/O operation should be non-blocking to allow other tasks to be run while waiting for the I/O operation to complete.
 
@PeeHaa Most texts need a rewrite probably.
 
12:40 PM
ok ... writing docs: does this make sense so far: github.com/teresko/palladium/blob/master/README.md
 
@tereško In the second paragraph, put the after implement. In the sentence after that, change of to or
other than that, it looks OK
 
@tereško FYI: You don't need that as Entity, will just work without it. github.com/teresko/palladium/blob/master/src/Palladium/Mapper/…
 
yop
a question turns into my head ... considering a web page (not own), can we find the variables that we can give to the page by GET method ?
Like i have "../page1.php" => find that "/page1.php?var1=159&mpr=326" is going to fill some inputs
I know that we can't see the php code because it's interpreted as html to show us a page, but no matter it turns in my head ^^
 
1:02 PM
@azro no
 
@samayo I might be interested, if you're still offering. I need to get my dev environment set up though.
It was my birthday yesterday, coworkers took streamers to my office, confetti to my desk, and black ribbons all over.
 
@Tiffany how nice, late notice but happy birthday :-)
 
@Ekin Thanks :)
 
ok :(
 
We always do stuff to people who have a birthday that ends in zero. I knew my time was coming...
I just didn't know what they would do. I knew at least I'd get confetti'd
 
1:22 PM
I'll have to upload a picture to imgur
 
@Tiffany Happy birthday :)
 
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@kelunik Thanks!
 
:36885253 ;-)
 
@kelunik yeah, you are right. It's actually an artifact form older code
... misunderstood what you meant at first
 
1:53 PM
@Tiffany LOL
 
@littlepootis I'm the "web master"
I'm researching CMS platforms. I come across one called October CMS... reading this description: "October is a free, open-source, self-hosted CMS platform..." alright, sounds pretty good, "...based on the Laravel PHP Framework." NOPE NOPE NOPE.
 
did you give Sonata a try?
 
Not yet, I'm compiling a list, and added Sonata to it. I'll probably give it a try sometime this week.
 
2:12 PM
I reserve a right to mock you, if you end up using wordpress as a CMS
 
I'm probably going to avoid wordpress because I don't like the idea of using it as a CMS, and I don't think it's robust enough to handle what we need.
 
if you actually need highly customized solution, you will have to write it yourself
 
We have a few modules that would have to either be supported by whatever CMS we go with, or would have to be recreated in some fashion.
we also have an athletics site that would have to be migrated wherever
as I keep looking at this, I'm not sure going with a new platform is the way to go, maybe just pay to have a redesign and be provided actual code documentation
so I know what classes have what methods off the bat, instead of having to dig through the code to see if something exists already
 
refactoring takes time
 
yeah, that's another thought I had, do it myself, as a very long, very slow project
like work on it an hour or two a day, slowly rebuilding the code so that it's manageable. The only problem is, I'm not sure I'm skilled enough to improve it.
 
2:26 PM
I actually have no idea how good or bad you are at architecture ... which is the primary skill you would need to have
 
Well, I struggled to understand Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable OO Software. I kinda put reading it on hold until I get a better grasp of concepts that build those up. I'm not even sure where to begin on that subject, however.
 
have you tried reading this:
that was what I used in the beginning
 
I haven't, I'll have to see if it's on safari books
 
it's on torrents ^.^
 
we have a subscription to safari books online
 
Wes
2:32 PM
am i the only that finds uml not-useful :B
 
wow I'm accidentally words left and right
 
evenin
 
Wes
o/
 
o/
 
2:33 PM
\o
 
o\
 
@tereško I can usually have books purchased for me if there's justification AND they're not on safari books online. I honestly prefer a physical copy or a kindle version over reading on a computer screen.
 
@Tiffany I would still recommend torrenting it first to see if it's something that you would even find useful
look at it as "demo version"
 
fair enough :P
amazon lets me "explore the book" and at least the first chapter seems relevant
 
2:36 PM
I have the GoF book. I'll probably start reading that in a few weeks after this semester's over. But I'm not sure how relevant that is today.
 
Wes
smashed windows, fallen trees, dirt on the road. roofs detached... this strong wind thing is becoming a monthly event
for those that don't believe that weather is changing :B at least it's not raining this time...
 
@littlepootis Might be something I read, or probably should read
 
@littlepootis it is relevant, but very impenetrable
 
Morning.
 
@Trowski o/
 
2:44 PM
hello
 
Well, an old heart just fell.
My neighbour collapsed a few hours ago, was rushed to hospital.
He was pronounced dead.
 
@tereško dude
 
o/
 
@tereško also, shit. everytime I believe we just reached the bottom. still new ways to bury even deeper
 
Wes
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2:47 PM
@Wes :)
o/
 
@bwoebi @kelunik Iterator could have a getResult() method again that would be provided through complete(). This might be useful in some circumstances.
 
@Trowski Which ones?
 
hey everyone ....just wanted to ask if there something messed up with apple new release of update
?
 
@kelunik Heh… honestly I'm having trouble thinking of something. It's sort of like getReturn() on generators, but outside of coroutines that's not terribly useful.
 
@Trowski Right.
 
2:53 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier you're welcome
 
rand() - min/max documentation mismatch – #74520
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@FélixGagnon-Grenier deaf culture is an interesting thing. I don't entirely agree with it, but I respect that it exists. It's more the history behind deaf culture that I find interesting.
 
@Tiffany I'm ok/infavor of with not stigmatizing deaf / handicaped people. I'm not ok with being so cranky about being special that even the word "handicap" becomes an attack towards humanity...
I mean, missing a leg is a "handicap" for, you know, walking
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier there's a deep history with deaf culture, but I think as science improves, such as cochlear implants, a culture will die out. It's more people trying to keep the culture alive because it's a minority. Cultures die out though.
 
I just love how post-modernists are becoming the new flat-earthers
 
3:04 PM
They don't see it as a handicap, they just see it as experiencing the world in a different way.
 
@Tiffany it's called: coping mechanism
it's the same attitude people have toward ones, that are attempting to cure aging
 
@tereško It's interesting that a culture surrounding deafness developed though. I find it fascinating. They're proud to be deaf.
 
@Tiffany I believe that is because the word handicap have been so emotionally charged with negative emotions, whereas it only means, having something that hinders an action
it's like how people will never agree that they are being angry when told so
 
@Tiffany s/fascinating/crazy
 
also I think they're too easily offended
 
3:06 PM
that too
 
One point I'll make, as someone with ADHD, while ADHD has its problems, because I've grown up like this, I wouldn't want my brain to suddenly be switched to a non-ADHD brain because I've learned to enjoy life like this.
But I recognize that it's a disability.
 
@Tiffany yes, of course, and nobody should force it on you. that is not what I'm thinking
 
ah, sorry
 
@Tiffany you probably need to upgrade to AD4K
 
3:10 PM
@tereško rofl
 
@Tiffany however, people should not chastise parents that try and improve, to the best of their heart, the life of their children on the basis of you being ok with that
 
@Tiffany on a more serious note: it probably wouldn't be a "switch", since altering brain function is a gradual process
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I completely agree. I mainly wanted to point out that deaf culture has a pretty rich history. I don't agree with the actions of the person chastising the parents though.
 
:)
alright coffee time
 
@tereško Hard to say how my brain chemistry has changed since being on meds.
 
3:15 PM
@Tiffany I am not sure if we actually have technology to create permanent changes yet
at least not in a highly destructive manner
 
@tereško yes, we have, it's called "Tumblr"
 
:D
 
There's the large hardon collider.
6
 
> hardon
 
3:20 PM
too late to edit?
 
:D
 
oh god I'm glad most people have their door closed, I'm laughing so fucking hard I'm crying
 
:P lol
 
@Tiffany yep
 
3:41 PM
Arrow functions. Everyone wants them, almost nobody agrees on what they should look like and act like.
I keep getting brought into twitter conversations about it.
 
() => {}
x => x + 1
 
maybe we should just start working on merging EcmaScript and PHP and be done with it
 
the master language, to rule them all
 
more or less, yes
 
more less than more, I'd say
 
Anonymous
4:12 PM
@Tiffany First Happy birthday :)
5
 
Anonymous
It's nice to have you. @Linus has accepted my request, there are ~two others we'll be around 5. I am cleaning up the code. I will send you both a message when I'm done
 
Anonymous
Also:
 
Anonymous
Brave browser sucks!!
 
Anonymous
Brendan Eich has let me down again
 
@Tiffany happy birthday :)
 
 
1 hour later…
5:27 PM
Any idea why CURLOPT_NOBODY makes cUrl hang?
curl_setopt_array($authorizationCurl, [
          CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER => false,
          CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYHOST => false,
          CURLOPT_HEADER => true,
          CURLOPT_NOBODY => true,
          CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER => true,
          CURLOPT_CUSTOMREQUEST => "POST",
          CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS => $credentialsJson,
          CURLOPT_HTTPHEADER => [
            'Content-Type: application/json',
            'Content-Length: ' . strlen($credentialsJson)
          ]
        ]);
 
5:49 PM
Sending No Body with a non-zero content length seems wrong
 
I figured it out.
Sometimes there is no body on that endpoint.
@Orangepill Also...that is configuration for the request. Not the response.
Oh. Now I see why it broke it.
 
oh gotcha...
 
evenion
 
Wes
6:16 PM
when they start modifying the rendering engine is where the shit storm begins
 
6:28 PM
maybe it's just me, it this poll en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… reminds me of i.imgur.com/humEcjs.png
s/it this/but this
 
@samayo thanks
@Linus thanks
@tereško it reminds you of video card benchmarking?
 
@tereško ha, that's awesome
 
there's confetti everywhere!
 
84 vs 85
 
here is another one: ibankcoin.com/flyblog/files/2017/05/poll.png (also french poll)
 
6:36 PM
@NikiC ahhh
 
the line between fraud and marketing ...
 
is there a way to tell how something is encoded?
 
it depends
do you know what is encoded?
 
like where the data is located? or what the data is?
 
what do you actually mean by "encoded"?
 
6:41 PM
database is utf-8 encoded, but I'm thinking when text is inserted it may not be encoded correctly, but I'm not sure what it originated as
text with random symbols that shouldn't have random symbols
e.g. "You’ll find we off [sic] more than just a job… we offer the chance to to truly enrich the lives of those around you– residents ..."
 
ISO-8859-1 ?
 
hmmm, maybe I can try utf8_encode afterall...
 
My first ten minutes of existence this morning. https://t.co/rBav2ck88P
 
@Danack had the same here ... and then I read the mail, which said that my co-workers had decided to move that holiday for friday (since on thrusday there is independence day)
and everyone was kinda surprised that I missed it .. probably because I had my headphones on, while everyone was talking about it
 
@tereško headphones will be banned now
 
6:52 PM
nope
 
I could see that happening at a place like Initech
course, headphones wouldn't be allowed in the first place...
I hate when I can't remember all of the items I need to add to my to-do list
there's something slipping me, I know it, but I can't remember what
 
Wes
isn't black pudding like the fattest food ever existed @Danack ?
i think i've eaten it once. but wasn't actually black. was probably another thing
 
@Wes it's not too bad, compared to sausages. And salad cancels out the fat anyway.
 
Wes
lol
 
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