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10:00 PM
Zuckerberg ja!
Sugar mountain.
 
Zuckerberg is the worst -berg since the one from April 1912 which tried to surprise buttsecks the Titanic.
 
> "We will encourage you to develop the three great virtues of a programmer: laziness, impatience, and hubris." -- Larry Wall
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Laziness is the most important.
 
If we talked only about C++, it'd be boring.
 
@DomagojPandža It's also the easiest to acquire
 
10:04 PM
For true laziness you have to be born lazy.
Like me.
 
That's why true programmers are best friends with cats.
 
God inspires me; I'm just as lazy as He is.
Can do everything, does nothing.
 
Dogs > cats.
It's scientific.
 
dogs > Cats?
 
Now only if dogs would keep their shit in one place, they would be the most awesome creatures on the planet.
 
Dogs are hyperactive.
It doesn't fit the pattern.
 
Cats are more hygienic.
 
Cats are first-class procrastinators.
If a Pharaoh of Egypt can bow to their exquisite presence of pure, utter procrastination, by the ancient gods, so can we!
 
hi
 
10:08 PM
hi
 
Game devs loooooooooooove crunches.
 
Please go and repeat that sentence at Team Bondi's offices. :Đ
 
I sleep 12 hours a day. If I worked 12 hours a day, I wouldn't have any day left!
 
@DomagojPandža Pretty sure that Team Bondi basically no longer exists.
 
Real programmers never finish projects.
 
10:10 PM
True, I was referring to their "glory days" :Đ
 
Yay I'm a real programmer!
Oh wait I'm not; I finished my website. :(
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Yeah you are. We're just discussing that in voice chat
 
oh
wait I'll download that program again
 
Huh, End doesn't insert report codes when NL is off.
 
@CatPlusPlus , where do you hail from, m'lord? Your accent must be exquisite! Not as magnificent as Mr. Too Sexy For His Code DeadMG's, but surely delightful in its own right. You must not be shy!
 
10:13 PM
Poland.
 
This time on my computer and not on my iPod, so I probably don't sound like a vacuum cleaner from hell anymore.
 
We all have crappy accent when speaking English, but mine is extra terrible.
 
Extra! Extra!
 
My Polish grandparents don't even speak a single English word.
 
Mostly because during 15 years I've been learning English, speaking it is actually like 1%.
I rarely speak in general, but almost never in English.
And Polish has a vastly different phonetic system.
 
10:16 PM
We recently had a C++ instructor come over from UK to give a course in our company. It was awkward how hard it was to make my words understandable for him.
 
daknok is an echo today!
 
lol I'll figure it out
 
@CatPlusPlus but it 's not thunderous
 
wait i'll just use headphones
 
Third time the charm.
 
10:17 PM
@StackedCrooked Don't worry about it, the important thing is that you both managed to get across to each other.
 
Nobody sane would go for that "I have an idea for an app, and I want you to do everything".
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik That'll work
 
@DomagojPandža Yeah, but it's not supposed to be like a Tarzan and Jane dialog.
 
I certainly wouldn't.
 
Okay I probably don't echo anymore, you might hear my keyboard though.
 
10:18 PM
Hello, I is programmer at me company, you teach us See Plus Minus?
 
daknok evolved into a keyboard.
 
Has daknok finally given up on signaling his home planet on Mumble?
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Home of daknok, the shapeshifting tornado robot vacuum cleaner turned keyboard from the future. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
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Whaaat. Numpad arrows don't have e0 set without NumLock.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
 
Keyboards suck.
 
Scancodes are madness. Accept it.
 
10:22 PM
Hey, cat, what's the sudden obsession with scancodes?
 
Doesn't Windows just provide a decent API for that?
 
@DomagojPandža I'm working on event handling.
Mouse is trivial. Keyboard is madnesssss.
Only / and NumEnter have e0 without NL. Meh.
 
I dare not to speak.
 
Keyboard input is always a bitch. At least when you're doing it properly.
 
I can play a song, but that'll probably be a bad idea. xD
 
10:25 PM
go for it :p
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Interested
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Sing a song.
 
No.
:P
Mumble y u use Qt and y this no feel native.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik MacOS?
 
Well yeah.
 
10:28 PM
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Try linux. It has no consistent UIs
 
Do you guys hear me eating crisps?
 
oh
that's unfortunate
I cannot speak English while I'm nervous.
 
Is there an audio session going on?
 
10:36 PM
yes
 
Is it a new chat feature or something?
 
no, but Ell was pushy, and sehe had a server laying around...
 
?!
 
Never seen Office Space?
Lawrence says "well yeah" in that scene.
 
10:41 PM
Is there an url I can visit to listen in?
 
No, download Mumble.
 
@StackedCrooked Open mumble and connect to loungecpp.sehe.nl.
 
sehe's playing.
 
He's good O_o :)
 
Lovely. I could fall asleep to that.
(That's a compliment, btw)
 
10:42 PM
Don't fall asleep; it would be a waste of time.
 
facepalm
 
Also robots don't sleep.
 
Compliment level: Robot.
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@ScarletAmaranth ?
 
10:43 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes !
 
wow, he is good...
 
man, I wish that you could just template shit on whether or not you want to debug it
then I wouldn't have to pay such an outrageous performance penalty on everything when all I want to do is catch AVs and get a good call stack
 
FF is anime, too, isn't it?
 
Final Fantasy is boring.
Stupid turn-based video games.
 
10:47 PM
@CatPlusPlus Don't make me find you in the Proland.
o_O HOW DARE YOU!
Sacrilege!
Blasphemy!
 
I don't know. Some time ago I learned weird stuff I wouldn't suspect of being anime actually is anime, so.
 
user457812
Final Fantasy is a menu simulator
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Unless you mean the game.
 
I don't like Final Fantasy either. Just from looking at it, simply not working for me.
 
10:48 PM
Don't star that!
 
I might have switched to film mode.
 
user457812
Staaars, delicious stars!
 
I totally watched Advent Children.
And that other one.
 
I totally am awesome.
 
user457812
Advent Children was alright.
 
10:48 PM
Oh god that was bad.
 
user457812
The first FF movie was just.. boring
 
LIFEUSTREAMU.
 
@sehe Dude, we can't hear you :D
 
user457812
Far as I'm concerned, the only good Final Fantasy game is Tactics. Because it's not an FF game.
 
@sehe If you're playing right now that you should be aware of the fact that your mic is not set to voice activation :)
 
10:50 PM
@sehe plink
 
It was the best song in the world, it was the best song in the world... This is just a tribute, you've got believe me...
 
He's trolling you.
On master levels.
 
But his mic was down.
 
The best song in the world was Я очень рад, ведь я, наконец, возвращаюсь домой.
By Eduard Khil.
 
now I'm waiting all the years for the latest iteration of my SHA-2 solver to run
 
10:53 PM
@DeadMG talk.
 
no thanks
I came on here earlier and sbi quite irritated me and I don't particularly feel like engaging much
 
That's unfortunate.
 
The grumpy old ape strikes again.
 
@sehe is a damn good pianist.
 
Hope you're feeling a bit better, MG.
 
10:55 PM
than what?
 
Ad. Final Fantasy, the Spoony reviews are hilarious.
 
I hope not. People must be sad and experience pain and sorrow, and starve.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Wait, does that mean it totally didn't look like a compliment?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It may have very well so :)
 
Sehe kicks ass.
 
10:56 PM
the important thing is that I finally devised an algorithm which will allow me to find the highest-value bits in the SHA-2 algorithm and target them for information
 
You're confusing me more! I'd like to sleep today!
 
if only it didn't take so damn long to propagate that
 
@DeadMG Good work, hopefully a step closer to resolving it.
 
yeah
at some point, though, I am totally going to have to work on the performance of this thing
going through 115k states isn't proving to be as nippy as I'd hoped
then again, MSVC does store them in a giant linked list if you're using a hash map...
 
@ScarletAmaranth listening
 
@sehe when is that concert?
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik 10th of june. Sunday afternoon, Voorschoten
It's a 'replay' of the concert trip to germany.
 
Fuck. 10th of June I must be at home for school.
 
10:59 PM
@sehe So you're actually a semi-pro-sort-of instrument player :P ?
 
Beware: it's an amateur choir. But of course the real fun is playing with the soloists.
 
I'm going to bed.
brb
 
"Brb" does not work with "I'm going to bed".
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Here's links to youtube renditions of the repertory youtube.com/…
@ScarletAmaranth That's accurate
 
@Cat why not?
 
11:01 PM
From all un-completed educations, I've spent the most net years in conservatory.
 
I was surprised how well they managed to integrate the metal part in it and also surprised myself by the fact that I can listen to some soft metal which is not my forte at all.
 
Be right back?
 
Yeah. Right now already.
I'm in bed.
 
You fail at English.
Utterly and totally.
 
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
 
11:03 PM
Tomorrow my parents will ask me who I was talking to this night. xD
 
The metal version is a lot more exciting than the 'plain' piano intro
@RadekdaknokSlupik Just tell them you heard voices :)
 
I'll just tell them I was talking to Fleurtje, a friend of mine. :P
 
It's very good, black mages in general have very interesting music, since their lead person is Nobuo Uematsu, which is a person who's behind most of the Final Fantasy music.
(To zanarkand including indeed.)
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Sounds plausible. Then again, why aren't you :)
 
My parents don't like when I communicate with random people over the Internet.
 
11:04 PM
Bastion!
 
@sehe she's sleeping wasting her time.
 
yup, bastion is epic music
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik why not?
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik That's a good sign
 
11:05 PM
@melak47 they'll think I'm talking with pedos et al.
 
are you 12?
 
Ha, I just wanted to link to Zia's theme.
 
17, but my parents act like I am 12. xD
 
Yup, developers are known for their pedo-inclinations.
 
The game is cool, too.
 
11:06 PM
do you like free candy? I have some in my van here...
 
It's in HIB.
 
FWEE CAAANDY ?
 
@CatPlusPlus Zia's theme? I'm missing a reference again
 
11:07 PM
I hate candy. Fucking sweet stuff. I dislike that. I want salt!!
 
@sehe It's another piece of Bastion soundtrack.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Uhoh
@CatPlusPlus Aha
 
If I increase my already completed order value above the average (it isn't), will I get Bastion now?
 
11:09 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I really can't envision a game with that kind of music. It's the kind of 'nice', mellow music that I can listen to, but it will take a while to figure out whether I like it in the long run
 
I already own it, but I figure I can pay a few extra cents more for the soundtrack.
 
It fits the game.
It really does.
 
@sehe The game has a very specific art style, kind-of post apocalyptic fantasy slightly steam-punkish ...
 
It's a great game.
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's one extravagant, impressionist description
 
11:10 PM
I'm alive, just quiet.
Software is a art. Like trolling.
 
The only games I like are Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Minecraft, Echochrome and epic GETs on /b/.
 
"epic GETs on /b/"?
 
When your post number ends in a special number, like 1234567, 42 or 69.
 
you know what the standard needs?
template<class iterator>
typename std::iterator_traits<iterator>::pointer structure_dereference(iterator it) {return it::operator->();}
template<class value_type>
typename std::iterator_traits<value_type*>::pointer structure_dereference(value_type* it) {return it;}
 
Usually there are things like "69 decides what I post on Facebook" or something.
 
11:14 PM
posted on June 01, 2012 by Herb Sutter

The Visual C++ team is looking for a number of people to do work on C++11, parallelizing/vectorizing, cloud, libraries, and more. All I can say is that there’s a lot of cool stuff in the pipeline that directly addresses real needs, including things people regularly comment on this blog about that I can’t answer specifically [...]

 
@RadekdaknokSlupik That's a game?
Wow.
 
I call it a game.
 
@MooingDuck What's that for?
 
Oh I also like Saw. A fund game.
 
11:15 PM
Except /b/ XXs last numbers of a post ID.
I feel bad for knowing that.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes that function is the only way to call an iterator's operator->, for instance, if you write an iterator that holds another iterator inside.
 
Also, typename std::iterator_traits<value_type*>::pointer is a very verbose way of saying value_type*.
@MooingDuck Erm, it.operator->()?
Also, why do you need to do so?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes invalid for char*
 
@RMartinhoFernandes nested iterators
 
11:17 PM
@MooingDuck To implement what?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes utf8
 
auto deref(iterator it) -> decltype(it.operator->()) { }
?
 
No, I mean, what function.
 
Possibly.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes utf8_iterator::operator->
@CatPlusPlus invalid if the nested type is a pointer.
 
11:18 PM
Just return the inner iterator.
Jan 6 at 0:01, by R. Martinho Fernandes
a->b may be transformed into a.operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->().operator->()->b
 
@RMartinhoFernandes oh right
 
You mean Lojban?
 
@CatPlusPlus Yup that's the one
 
11:20 PM
Lojban (pronounced locally: [ˈloʒban])
 
Lounge ban
 
hmm, should I make my unicodes streamable to/from char streams even where the underlying type is not char? What does wstring do?
 
wchar_t sits there and sucks.
wstring doesn't do much more
For Unicode streaming you need Unicode-aware streams.
 
@MooingDuck If it answers your question, you can't stream a wstring out of an ostream.
You need an wostream.
 
11:25 PM
For IOStreams I'd just stick to explicit encoding.
@MooingDuck Yeah, it's not encoding-aware, so it cannot do anything to convert between wchar_t and char
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm trying to think of what that would entail.
 
It's rather simple, really. Attach encoding to the stream and let it call encoding function.
And decoding for input.
And I'd reject already-encoded data for sanity.
At least for Unicode streams. Byte streams should accept only already-encoded data.
 
hmm.
 
Hey cool 4chan has a mobile layout now.
 
11:31 PM
Ads? What's that?
 
I suck at handwriting with a mouse. ):
 
Nobody read AoCP.
 
Nobody ever read AoCP.
 
How do you pronounce your last name?

Ka-NOOTH.
 
11:36 PM
I read the table of contents of SICP.
And got bored.
 
Programming books are boring.
 
Writing a programming yourself is much better.
 
We found a website.
Which is terrible.
I found it.
 
should I overload hton and ntoh for my unicode strings, or leave that to however they decide to do streaming?
 
That domain name alone.
 
@MooingDuck That's implementation detail of encoding.
 
@CatPlusPlus encoding of the stream?
 
> We know about what is oops. It is an object oriented programming structure which help to understand programming logics and method which use many programming language like C++, C
 
@MooingDuck There's UTF16LE and UTF16BE. Does that answer the question?
 
11:39 PM
Encoding of the string.
Stream should encode the string.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I have both of those, and conversions between. I was just pondering if I should also provide a hton function to convert as well.
 
hton is not for strings.
Anyway.
 
You know. This would make for a perfect room description to attract more noobs:
 
wow, you'd almost think Microsoft is serious about their compiler all of a sudden
 
11:41 PM
> C ++ is a programming language which based on objection oriented programming (OOPS). It is provide various features and easy to learn options because it is use real world concept in the programming.
 
13 open positions
 
> C programming is a based of all programming language. It is provide basic concept and basic step for learn any programming language. C is a mother of all programming language. C programming developed by denies Ritchie at the Bell lab in 1973. C ++ and C# is a latest and advance version of c programming.
 
C is a mother of all programming language.
Best.
Line.
 
Please, stop it!
 
> Now you can write a programming within { } this braces.
 
11:41 PM
Nooooo!
 
> printf is a command for write something in c programming.
 
I can't stand it anymore!
This is against the Geneva convention.
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It hurts.
 
That wobsite is hilarious.
 
> In string we are use many types of function which help to write a program with string.
 
@CatPlusPlus that doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense.
 
11:43 PM
Ahahaha.
> string.h();
> String start with upper bound number of the character but when it terminated it indicate the system by the null character.
 
@CatPlusPlus what are you reading?
 
The fuck?
 
Let's see what they say about Java.
> In java programming we also make web application or software in case application needs to connect database and get some information through database.
 
He's reading the best website's programming, he is looking for the pointer.
 
> Programming is a set of instruction which useful for logical and computer problem.
 
11:45 PM
> SQL mostly people pronounce Standard query language or some people pronounce sequel. But SQL is a standard query language which is not use only database programming it but is also helpful to make world-class query structure application which work on simple English word query .
 
Structured* xD
 
> So it is a totally database programming language.
 
@CatPlusPlus but its not web scale!
 
> An introduction to C programming, What is C++ Programming
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> C programming has different kinds features which make it more easier and useful for programming. It is based on real world object which help to understand programming structure of C++.
> Polymorphism-It is also most important feature of object oriented programming. It is use for an object and variable for different-different forms.
 
@CatPlusPlus But that is not web scale!
 
11:47 PM
> Class- It is a combination of Data and object in a single object.
> Object Oriented Programming- C Plus Plus originally based Objected oriented world which help to use real world object. Every object have different-different properties and features.
I can't stop!
This is just brillant.
 
In a C++ programming, you use a "cout" command instead printf. cout stands for "see out". When you look outside window, you see out. That's why it called cout.
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> In normal life we are using different types of data type or symbol which represent some value like $, hrs, km etc. All data types use for different-different value store for example $ sign represent money, hrs represent for time, km represent for distance and all are fix for specific data value. Suppose can be use $ sign for time, no because it is a symbol for money.
 
Heretic!
 
What idiot created that website?
 
11:51 PM
Superidiot.
 
@CatPlusPlus You know, you made a typo when transcribing the typo.
Inecption.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, I've noticed.
I can't make typos without making typos.
 
> Programming Tutorials is basically created to solve out the problems of the students in the programming field. Easy language with easy learning methods makes quite simple for the students to learn fast that increase their interest towards study and enhance their creativity knowledge to do something new. Various Programming Tutorials like JAVA, C++, C, etc. for the programming students are must to learn to get higher success in their life.
LOL
They rather introduce problems.
 
Not webscale
 
11:54 PM
/dev/null is web scale
 
I'm pretty sure that's not what the bike-shed analogy is all about.
 
Parkinson's Law of Triviality, also known as bikeshedding or the bicycle-shed example, is C. Northcote Parkinson's 1957 argument that organisations give disproportionate weight to trivial issues. Parkinson demonstrated this by contrasting the triviality of a bike shed to a nuclear reactor. Later, Poul-Henning Kamp applied the law to software development and introduced the colour of the bike shed as the proverbial trivial detail receiving disproportionate attention. Argument First mentioned in C. Northcote Parkinson's 1956 book Parkinson's law, and other studies in administration, the...
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's the one
 
I don't care about scalability. I use MongoDB because it can store arrays.
 
Good find, I knew it as Poul-Henning Kamp.
 
11:59 PM
Mongo is weird.
 

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