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12:00 AM
Thanks I guess. I think the congrats are a bit premature. And mostly about voter turnout. I'm content with that.
 
> Mais la fillette est désormais hors de danger ", conclut le procureur de la République de Perpignan.
 
Yeah, like with caucus and elections
 
Perpignan est une république maintenant ?
 
They decided this on a whim when they found out about rampant stupidity levels.
 
12:02 AM
I can't find anything on meta nor in my network links.
 
I'm not elected. I'm part of our country's electorate
 
@sehe So just to make it clear, will you or will you not, allow rubber ducks in the office?
 
@CaptainGiraffe As long as they don't speak to me
 
evening fellas
 
12:08 AM
 
Evening Tony. We have had a fierce argument on how to quit vim. What is your take? No, rubber ducks for dinner is not a valid answer.
 
@Mikhail Oh, gay pride ducks. They went out of stock
 
@TonyTheLion hey <3
 
For anyone not clicking, it is a whole lot of dicks. White on a black background. Quite SFW at first glance. Also someone really clever thought it to be promoting ISIS.
 
@jaggedSpire sup
 
12:24 AM
^_^
 
2 hours because a break in a switch was missing
 
@Borgleader I used to do that with my Dad, actually
we'd do it until Mom gave us a dirty look because we were being weird in public
 
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Q: End of my internship - The company wants to keep me but in another department

DygneIn a few weeks I will finish my internship at a small IT company. The internship has lasted for seven months in which I was trained and worked for the web department, mainly on web applications. Yesterday the CEO talked to me and told me that they want to hire me, but in the business intelligen...

 
@jaggedSpire Weird is not a bad thing!
 
@Borgleader Indeed not, but I suspect she got real tired of it because with us it was pretty much constant
we would also play stacking games with the sugar packets, and pretend to have difficulty straightening one another's hands so all the fingers were fully extended
 
12:47 AM
I see
 
...there was also that time that we called all the muffins potatoes, and all the potatoes muffins for about a month
 
Hahaha, that's awesome
 
Hello, Cruel World!
 
sup
 
ScY
hey
 
1:02 AM
How's the lounge this fine sunny morning?
 
Not sure if a bug in my code or in the vendor's SDK
 
Wassup
Has anybody heard of comments as type annotation?
 
1:29 AM
@jaggedSpire hello
 
You doin' all right? :)
 
I'm doing good
you?
 
I'm doing all right myself.
 
cool cool
 
@Borgleader @TonyTheLion @Ven Do you enjoy watermelon?
 
1:43 AM
I'm off to bed :)
nite
 
Night!
Sleep well
 
@VermillionAzure why does your avatar show up twice on the ping list, merged under the single VermillionAzure entry?
 
2:26 AM
Fuck... So my new mobo arrived today. And it already crashed 3 times. It doesn't look stable with my memory. lol
 
can anyone answer a on opengl question?
 
maybe
 
do you need the opengl32 to use freeglut
wondering if that was my problem. just installed glut
 
That is a weird question, so you need to link against OGL to use OGL.
 
ok I thought it might be included in the glut dll somehow but I guess not obviously
In fact that's definitely the problem ..heh
 
3:26 AM
Good Morning
 
3:49 AM
@oraz Yes, glut depends on OpenGL. Also yes, glut has some fairly serious bugs, so you'd be better off using almost anything else instead (even FreeGLUT isn't quite as bad, even though it's still pretty poor).
 
4:04 AM
Finally got Fanatic badge.
 
4:26 AM
@Code-Apprentice Congratulations! Now it's time to start work on Legendary!
 
@jaggedSpire I don't know
FUCK C++ AND RECURSIVE VARIANTS
 
4:45 AM
@JerryCoffin gotta get Epic first
 
@Code-Apprentice I suppose. Mildly interesting coincidence of the day: I was awarded Epic exactly 7 years ago today.
 
how mildly interesting
 
> SFR frappe fort avec le lancement d'un forfait inédit avec 100Go de data et roaming à 20 euros
 
I only have 8 days of 200+ rep
 
@Luc Tu m'expliques comment on consomme 100 gigots de data stp
I barely use a gigabyte of data per month so I can't exactly imagine why someone would need a hundred of those
 
4:54 AM
Excuse me
 
Even on my desktop PC I use what, 15 gigabytes of traffic approx?
 
I am having very dire problems
 
and maddeningly around 12 of 150+ that I wasn't able to get to that 200 mark
 
@Code-Apprentice The really maddening ones are when you've hit rep-cap, and then get dozens (or in Mysticial's case, hundreds) more up-votes that are all basically thrown away.
 
yah, hundreds of upvotes in the same day must be maddening
 
5:01 AM
my precious internet points
 
5:15 AM
@JerryCoffin Hey yo, is there a better way to fix the horrendous template errors from Boost?
 
6:03 AM
@AldwinCheung pron
 
En 4k je présume
 
oh tu sais je ne juge pas des goûts
 
7:00 AM
I would have thought we had a reference QA on dependent types and expressions, shame
> What exactly are dependent names anyway?
690
Q: Where and why do I have to put the "template" and "typename" keywords?

MSaltersIn templates, where and why do I have to put typename and template on dependent names? What exactly are dependent names anyway? I have the following code: template <typename T, typename Tail> // Tail will be a UnionNode too. struct UnionNode : public Tail { // ... template<typename U> st...

I guess that’s the closest thing
 
7:13 AM
Sup guise
 
good morning
 
@LucDanton Spouse and/or children under 18
 
you gave them names???
 
Addressing them by content was too time consuming.
 
Ven
Well hi.
 
7:27 AM
@AldwinCheung Does thas and/or imply you can be both the child and the spouse of someone while under 18? :D
 
Let's not enter heated culture debates
 
"culture" :')
we should make an hearthstone like card game with loungers
 
throw a coin to see if it’s truly worthwhile
 
no need to throw it, there's not enough loungers to get a big enough card pool
 
AHem
Got a quick question
If class B needs to use class A needs to use class B needs to use class A, how do I express this with just header files?
 
7:38 AM
forward declarations
 
7:52 AM
class A;

class B {
// ...
};
 
@milleniumbug struct forward;
 
@AldwinCheung it’s actually a function template
 
Subtle
 
@LucDanton return_type function_name(arguments_go_here)?
 
looks good to me
oh good the divide-and-conquer concat results in worse compile-times
 
8:02 AM
@LucDanton concat to concatenate tuples?
 
no, type lists
 
tuples are type lists in a way
 
and semaphores
 
are mutexes in a way
 
wrong! it's the other way around
 
8:10 AM
it’s worser if I unroll more cases ._. is partial spec selection super slow or something
 
tuples are like continuations
 
@milleniumbug Don't tell me that's a meme now
 
maybe I will have to go all out Hana-style + constexpr if
 
@VermillionAzure not telling you then :noel:
 
8:26 AM
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I DID ITTTT
 
What a horrendous experience Magick++ is. I literally spent hours finding which property of Magick::Image exposes the geometry of an image after reading. // sigh
 
@sehe hey
I just did it
I JUST DID IT
 
Grats on the sex I guess
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So, it's not size() (which returns Geometry). It's also not geometry() (ditto). It's not hidden in imageInfo()->size. It's not boundingBox et friends. It's not even columns() / rows() as the docs suggest (see Image::ping()). Instead. You (obviously) need to use baseColumns()/baseRows(). Fuck that.
 
@VermillionAzure this hints on bad design
 
@sehe But it's not sex it's Scheme
 
8:34 AM
if two classes depend on each other, why aren't they one class?
 
@VermillionAzure You could have been a little more specific.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's because we're implementing recursive function objects.
 
@sehe well, duh
:P
 
@VermillionAzure we? The collective hive mind?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Transpiler Project @ UH Manoa.
 
8:35 AM
@VermillionAzure I know I've been overusing this question lately, but if you have to ask this, are you sure you're qualified for that job?
Maybe you should've started with a number guessing game or something
 
@BartekBanachewicz I started the project as a learning opportunity. So it is what it is.
 
But I do know I have a basic expression evaluation system working the way I want it to, according to design.
 
If you're clueless about fundamentals of software design, jumping at a project of such scale is hardly gonna help
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well. Good thing I'm doing this as an academic project, not as a commercial one.
 
cue everyone making C++ 3D OpenGL MMORPG where you can change the world
and their own C++ 3D OpenGL Game Engine
@VermillionAzure vOv. It's easy to start any project
 
8:37 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Bartek, this is Week 10. We're doing fine.
 
I've been planning for this since November.
 
wow that must have been like 5 months
and yet you're here, now, asking this
1 hour ago, by VermillionAzure
If class B needs to use class A needs to use class B needs to use class A, how do I express this with just header files?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Meh. I tried forward declaring, but it wasn't that simple. So I figured it out. Whatever.
 
in my experience, the bigger the project, the bigger the problems you should focus on
if you find that you need to focus on too small details as the project lead, you either don't have enough manpower or you're underqualified
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well recently, the entire project broke because our code data variant type had to become recursive.
 
8:41 AM
'xactly
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't have enough manpower. I've talked with my advisor about this already.
 
but yeah w/e it's hardly the first and it's not gonna be the last shitty C++ project
all of C++ projects are shitty after all
in other news, I gave up on LLVM 4.0 build yesterday, but maybe I should give it another try
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I can't disagree that the errors are terrible.
 
@sehe please keep the discussion civil
 
Wazzamapoint
 
8:52 AM
ciphersuite: SEHE-128-CBC
 
@rightfold how pissed are you
 
Hmmmm should constants point to the same location in memory or not? Hm.
Like, should &(1) == &(1) hm...
 
what the fuck does that even mean
I suggest you learn how assembly works
 
@AldwinCheung In Scheme, (eqv?) is a function that may compare locations. It says it should be so for numbers if they're the same value... But I can also make it so that whenever we evaluate numbers, we just copy the pointer, and not the value.
 
9:00 AM
@VermillionAzure constants may not even have a memory location, 0 for example is usually obtained by xoring a register with itself
 
So it's either copy the memory and then manually compare numbers, or just copy the pointer and compare pointers.
 
@ratchetfreak don’t encourage him
 
I am pretty sure your language should specify this
 
@ratchetfreak This is in the context of an interpreted lanugage, specifically Scheme, not a C/C++-level language.
 
@VermillionAzure just do whatever spec tells you to
 
9:01 AM
@BartekBanachewicz They specify behavior, not implementation.
 
@VermillionAzure Then do whatever is easiest
who cares
 
Well, I'm worried about continuations... But I'm not exactly sure about semantics.
 
@VermillionAzure I'd be worried about mutices... But I'm not exactly sure about desktop notifications.
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Because continuations basically save the state of the call stack. I think we're planning to copy the immediate expression tree and environment, but IDK.
 
9:02 AM
idk is the x86 instruction that tells the processor to perform a random action
7
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wait why?
 
Like, you mean plural mutex?
 
that's mutii
 
9:04 AM
@VermillionAzure yes, it's a meme now
 
Sigh why do I even come here.
 
an meme*
 
rep idk
 
yeah they're clearly a better room
 
9:05 AM
Why? This is Lounge<Scheme> after all
 
I'm sure they have infinite patience for your breakthrough ideas
 
don't forget to semaphore the semicolons
 
> 49, 47, 83, 56, 49, 71, 50, 71
what’s with the stupid variance :( it’s compile time in seconds
I’m not pegging the CPU or anything from one run to the next
 
on the bright side there's a decent proportion of prime numbers
 
nwp
@LucDanton because you have more compilations to do than jobs available so the order of the jobs decides how much can be parallelized? Like if it starts with the longest compilation at the end it takes longer than if it ends with the shortest compilations.
 
9:10 AM
it’s just the one TU
 
nwp
 
okay, but why didn’t that manifest when the program was different? it’s not the fact that there’s high variance, it’s that it’s higher than previously
 
how much was it previously and what did you change
 
1 hour ago, by Luc Danton
maybe I will have to go all out Hana-style + constexpr if
that’s the change, stay tuned for more measurements
 
user1804599
@AldwinCheung Except for D66, DENK, GroenLinks I'm happy.
 
user1804599
9:21 AM
I think Liberals will perform better if they're not in a retarded coalition with Labour.
 
user1804599
And Labour lost like 76% of their seats so that's always good.
 
Ven
@AldwinCheung about what
j'ai manqué un truc marrant ?
 
user1804599
And the new party I voted for got two seats \o/
 
@Ven NL elections and the end of muslim tyranny
 
Ven
@AldwinCheung did the nazis not win?
 
user1804599
9:23 AM
The nazis got three seats, unfortunately.
 
Ven
You just said they got two.
 
user1804599
The erdofascists.
 
user1804599
@Ven No I voted Forum voor Democratie, not DENK.
 
Ven
@rightfold isn't erdogan anti-NL ?
 
user1804599
It is, and he has a party here called DENK, which just got three seats in the parliament.
 
9:26 AM
What, Hitlerdogan has a party in NL?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
Why would the kebabs have a party in NL
 
user1804599
That should be obvious.
 
user1804599
When a journalist disputed the party's loyalty they got super angry lol
 
user1804599
And they didn't know what to say
 
nwp
9:28 AM
Asan kills clang, specifically clang::Preprocessor::LookUpIdentifierInfo
I would have expected them to test that first
 
Well maybe they should stick to kebabs instead of politics
 
user1804599
If you're an Erdogan fan it's time for you to get the fuck out and migrate to Turkey.
 
@AldwinCheung 51, 54, 50, 42, 76, 44, 43, 72
 
@LucDanton Can you check how much RAM you're taking in both cases
 
@AldwinCheung Hana-style version: tops out at ~3.6GB out of 8. it slowly builds up to that point over ~10s, then stays there for the remainder
looks identical for the other version
 
9:57 AM
anyhoo I’m reverting everything, it doesn’t look like it’s helping with anything
 
Met a local penguin while walking on miles & miles of raw beach down the wildness of Tasmania
 
10:18 AM
It's cute :3
 
Club it!
 
Hi guys! Which web page would you say it is "THE WEBPAGE" for programmers?
Thanks.
 
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens If you have to ask you are not part of the club and you will not be told.
 
nwp
10:32 AM
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens pornhub?
 
@nwp lolol
 
@nwp good answer!
hahahaha
 
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens: You question is silly. There no THE WEBPAGE.
 
10:59 AM
Why is computing an average an endless battle between overflows and loss of precision?
 
Ven
because computers and IEEE-754
 
user1804599
Do people still use MyWOT?
 
Ven
11:14 AM
of course not
 
user1804599
Why not?
 
Ven
because it sucks
mywot is not trust worthy, so how could you use its trust worthiness tools
 
user1804599
I see.
 
11:52 AM
@jaggedSpire Yep!
 
Is it just me, or does he pronounce "Turbo C++" as "Terrible C++"?
(about 10 seconds in)
 
12:13 PM
here we go, six-fold improvement by changing a foldl into a foldr
 
Ven
Wow'
 
@LucDanton Rightfold makes everything better!
 
@wilx Hehehe
 
12:33 PM
@sehe lolwut
 
Still haven't figured out why all these other things exist (and return indeterminate data)
Apart from the discoverability woobles it appears to work well (as in, proper C++ value semantics and exception safety stuff, some standard library integration too)
 
nwp
I want to start a bikeshedding club so I feel less lost and more legitimate while wasting my life away.
 
whoah, we can’t call it 'the bikeshedding club' though. it should be 'the bikeshedding league'
12
 
nwp
If I first research how to grow trees to make paper to bind books to eventually write a book on how to start bikeshedding clubs, can I be president?
 
Ell
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens google.com
Or duckduckgo or w/e
 
12:48 PM
@thecoshman I'll put something up soon.
We had to ship a hotfix.
 
> Scott Meyers started programming in 1971, and he started teaching programming in 1972. He’s best known for his Effective C++ books, but he’s also worked on constraint expression for programming languages, program representations in development environments, software simulations of bacteriophage lambda, general principles for improving software quality, and the effective presentation of technical information.
@LucDanton How about "A shedding of bikes" instead?
 
> The third incarnation of Bill Wagner's best-selling Effective C# has flown off the presses, and a copy has landed on my desk. Apparently it's flying off the shelves, too, because it's currently Amazon's #1 new release in the category of Microsoft C and C++ Windows Programming.
Something's terribly wrong with Amazon categories.
 
@fredoverflow cute, although it does make me feel itchy
 
1:05 PM
does anybody know how to include boost using cmake with travis?
I am installing it as a package - libboost-all-dev
but cmake is not able to find it, and passing it -DBOOST_ROOT=/usr/include or -DBOOST_INCLUDEDIR=/usr/include does not help
it says -- Could NOT find Boost
any idea about where boost is installed by default in ubuntu trusty?
 
@gnzlbg can't you ssh into the build?
I thought Travis allowed it by now
 
nope :/
my workflow is: change somethin -> commit -> push to branch -> wait 5 min
i had hoped that anybody here had a github project using travis that included the systems boost
and new how to make cmake find it
"it should just work" without any hints
 
@gnzlbg switch to Circle then!
I can wholeheartedly recommend it
 
I can't
its not my project
 
@gnzlbg It isn't. When writing Wide build scripts I manually installed Boost to a known location
 
1:13 PM
@gnzlbg oh
7 mins ago, by gnzlbg
I am installing it as a package - libboost-all-dev
anyway Circle is much nicer than Travis imho
I switched a looong time ago and never looked back
 
I use Travis because there's config code to copy-paste everywhere and I don't want to think.
 
@Puppy I am installing it as a package: - libboost-all-dev and its getting downloaded and installed with apt-get correctly. CMake can't find it though, and the usual "hints" do not help :/
 
It's probably the main reason I use CMake too.
 
probably I am doing something stupid somewhere
 
@gnzlbg Hence my suggestion is basically "Don't install it as a package"
 
1:16 PM
@Morwenn but that's exactly the same with circle
except Circle also does really nice autodiscovery and stuff
 
@Puppy i was hoping I wouldn't need to do it manually, i know how that works, but was trying to avoid it
 
hmm
says that my build scripts for Willy did not explicitly install Boost manually
 
welp the six-fold improvement on the benchmark did not translate to near as much gain in practice. completely expected of course, what’s really disappointing is the whole process of trying to improve compile times
 
@BartekBanachewicz if it were my project i would be using Rust, and cargo, and laugh at those wasting time into fetching, building, and configuring dependencies instead of getting stuff done
@Puppy do you have a link?
 
1:17 PM
@gnzlbg yeah I build my Haskell stuff on circle
 
@Morwenn I had hoped that cpp-sort would use boost through travis
:(
 
Ven
@Puppy rip wide
 
I'll come back to it at some point, apparently Clang has enough MSVC integration now that I could consider dropping MinGW
 
what is wide?
i went to the shoes website and felt spectacularly trolled
 
puppy's mom language
 
1:23 PM
gosh nobody is installing boost as a package
or google is trolling me
i've found like 4 repos that install it as a packe
download the headers
and point cmake to the headers of a boost version that differs from the lib
i guess that's ok as long as you don't need any non-header only boost libraries, but then installing it as a package for nothing is pointless anyways...
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not in the projects I follow apparently.
@gnzlbg Why would I use Boost?
 
to test your sort against spread sort and what not in the benchmarks
 
I copied spreadsort locally and improved it.
 
the license of boost is liberal enough that you can keep a copy of the boost headers you need in your repo, then you don't need the boost package
 
do you update the file manually regularly then?
 
1:34 PM
keeping a stable version has its own benefits
 
if you are benchmarking you probably want to benchmark against the up-to-date version
 
@gnzlbg I do.
 
don't the benchmarks depend on the library then?
or do you import the headers before each benchmark?
anyhow... i hate travis, and cmake, ... its 2017 and its still hard or impossible to trivially add boost as a dependency to a project using travis
the only way that works seems to get it from source and install it yourself
this is retarded
 
The benchmarks compare against my altered spreadsort, they only depend on my library.
 
Ven
> Well, this is just targeting a different VM, LLVM instead of the JVM. You get easy interop with all LLVM languages with this, including C.
 
nwp
1:38 PM
I'm not sure what to do here. Do I delete this answer because it is wrong? Do I keep it because it adds useful information (particularly in the comments)? Do I add a disclaimer that it is wrong? — nwp 10 secs ago
 
Ven
oh yes, LLVM where VM in 2017 totally means Virtual Machine.
 
@nwp you edit and fix the answer
 
@Ven Well, you really don't at all.
correctly interfacing with an LLVM-based language implementation requires a lot more than just generating your own LLVM IR, you also need to understand all the calling conventions and other ABI details
 
nwp
@ratchetfreak The problem is that if I remove the incorrect information there is nothing left and I have no correct information to add. That probably means I should just delete it.
 
or include the correct information from the comments
(properly attributed of course)
 
1:51 PM
What do we call people of Holland?
Hollanders?
I could use Google to find out but where is fun in that?
Also, why I am asking... about election results, did Wilders get more votes and/or more mandates than in previous elections?
I am trying to determine if the news here telling me that Wilders' rise was stopped is true or not.
 
@wilx rightfolds
 
@AldwinCheung :D
 
they call themselves Nederlanders
 
@wilx That's the demonym for Holland, but I think Holland isn't really what you want to ask about.
Holland is a region and former province on the western coast of the Netherlands. The name Holland is also frequently used informally to refer to the whole of the country of the Netherlands. This usage is commonly accepted in other countries, and not entirely uncommon among the Dutch themselves, though some in the Netherlands and particularly in other regions of the country may find it undesirable, misrepresentative or insulting. From the 10th to the 16th century, Holland proper was a unified political region within the Holy Roman Empire as a county ruled by the Counts of Holland. By the 17th century...
The people of the Netherlands are called Dutch.
 
> The name Holland is also frequently used informally to refer to the whole of the country of the Netherlands. This usage is commonly accepted in other countries, and not entirely uncommon among the Dutch themselves...
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK OK. :)
 
1:57 PM
@wilx Yeah, but I mean that, AFAIK, "Hollander" never means "from the Netherlands", and refers only to Holland proper.
When I say "never", I never mean never.
 
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