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1:00 PM
@JohnDoe2 It has a bunch of sections containing executable code and data. If those are bytes in the left column, it's basically empty.
@BartekBanachewicz It's a confusing looking engine! Why are the camshafts so long?
 
@Potatoswatter it's a V8?
 
Ell
I prefer CNC porn to engine porn
 
@Ell engines are living breathing creatures though :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe it's an illusion but it looks like the cranks are way off in the back and half the length of the camshafts is just dead weight.
 
CNC is just dead metal
 
Ell
1:04 PM
CNCs are much more alive :P
 
are they? ICEs turn carbon into CO2
just like animals :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hahaha that explains it, didn't realize there were huge chunks taken out for exposition. (Hence engine porn, right.)
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz engines can't reproduce
some CNCs can to some degree :P
 
@Ell neither can e.g. mules, but they're still animals.
 
Ell
CNCs have feedback - they can feel
what feedback does an engine have?
 
1:14 PM
ECU… the driver may be an AI
Any Europeans here? I'm thinking of moving to Slovenia…
 
nwp
@Potatoswatter Did you watch eurotrip? It gives some interesting impressions about a few european countries.
 
@Ell the ECU indeed
also there's plenty of CNCs w/o any feedback at all
just following a preprogrammed route
besides, the CNC can be paused and resumed at any time
it's just a tool. Pretty clever tool, but still just a tool.
 
@nwp Eh… I might be a little old for that. But I watched Michael Moore's latest film which turned me on to Slovenia. (He highlighted their free university.)
 
nwp
1:29 PM
I listened to cppcast #83 talking about making void a regular type. It was interesting how many issues one faces when trying to make a seemingly simple change like that. Would recommend for a road trip or something.
 
@Potatoswatter most of us are from Europe
I mean, at this timezone.
 
@nwp <s>simple</s>
 
nwp
@Potatoswatter That is neither unique nor necessarily true. My "free" university costs ~300€ per semester.
 
@nwp I'll still count that as free. That's less than I ever spent on a semester's worth of (used) books.
 
nwp
To be fair you do get a public transportation ticket for that that you will need anyways and would be more expensive if you bought it yourself, but still.
 
1:32 PM
Yes, also Germany has free universities and I was thinking of there, but Slovenia as a small country with an obscure language is more inclined to English :)
@nwp In American terms, they're paying you to go.
Anyway it's not me who needs a university, it's my wife. I need a job.
(Finishing my advanced degree would be nice, though.)
 
@Potatoswatter around there you'd still probably benefit from knowing German though
I'd consider Denmark, The Netherlands or Sweden
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes. I'll probably go into linguistic overload. I did visit Europe once for a week, which taught me that every little region has its own dialect and also its neighbors'…
 
Ell
scandinavia is very expensive
idk about the netherlands though
 
@Ell About on par with Germany
depends on whether you want to live in a more rural area or in the centre of things
also well being "expensive" or "cheap" is very different depending on your spendings
 
Scandinavians are tall… I'm 163cm / 5'4" and my wife is 147cm / 4'10"
Bad enough living in the USA, now I'm spoiled in the Philippines where everything is my size.
 
1:39 PM
if your biggest spending is food, then you should prolly head over to the east. If you want to buy sport cars, you might as well live in the Switzerland or Monaco.
 
My lifestyle is more… "bohemian." I don't spend much on anything. A few months in Monaco and I'd probably want to shoot the place up.
(Are there really C++ developers in Monaco?)
 
probably at least a few
 
is it possible to look at the programming code inside of a .lib file?
 
Ven
woot, found some nice resources to parse XML in Haskell.
Better than the old-style arrows stuff from HXT...
 
I'm not the most employable guy, I haven't had any actual work in a few years. Something tells me that anyone there would toss my resume on principle :P .
@JohnDoe2 Use a disassembler. What are you actually trying to solve?
@BartekBanachewicz Where do you live?
 
1:44 PM
@Potatoswatter in Poland
in the northern Poland to be specific
 
How commonly do Europeans move within the EU?
 
@Potatoswatter I want to look for a specific function that may be in that .lib
 
Are there many Americans around there? Any refugees from Trump?
@JohnDoe2 What, just to verify that it's there?
Understanding an actual algorithm from static disassembly is painstaking, often near impossible if there's any real complexity. Much better to attach a debugger and use the single-instruction step command… which is still painstaking though.
 
@Potatoswatter I want to look what excatly that function is doing
 
nwp
@Potatoswatter You might be disappointed to learn that pretty much every country has their trump, and some of them are even in power.
 
1:49 PM
@JohnDoe2 Use a debugger.
@nwp I'm aware of that, been following politics pretty closely for the past year.
 
@Potatoswatter how excatly can I debug that?
can you suggest me one dissambler?
 
@BartekBanachewicz sort of...
 
America's problem isn't actually Trump as a person. (Nor Hillary on the "left.") I see it as more of a philosophical crisis resulting from too many successful generations… too many citizens have really no concept of adversity. Or the adversity they face is something so monolithic and unsolvable that they never learn problem-solving.
@JohnDoe2 Start a debugger and point it at a program using the library. Set a breakpoint and step into the library.
 
@Potatoswatter This is not only true for america however. If you are not in a situation where problem-solving skills are necessary then you won't face problems where you could acquire such skills, unless you are intrinsically motivated to understand the underlying mechanism of things.
 
@Nadim' Well, Slovenia for instance lived through the Balkans crisis of the 1990s. They must have some idea of why politics is important and how voting decisions translate to national lifestyle.
Perhaps many citizens there learned wrong lessons or retreated into ethnic nationalism, but at least they have some sort of roadmap.
 
nwp
2:04 PM
@Potatoswatter are you saying you are unhappy with how irresponsibly people vote?
 
America has been coasting politically since the end of the Cold War and now they can't even discern liberal philosophy from nationalism.
 
What about voting in the Philippines?
 
Actually the last election here was the least corrupt ever. There were major anti-vote-buying campaigns, which worked.
Basically people got out the word and said, "You can accept payouts from your political patrons but the ballots are really secret. Vote your conscience."
 
@nwp More like I'm scared that a power vacuum is opening with a potential for violence, and there's no good way to fill it.
Compare America with the Philippines… America simply has more stuff. There is more to regulate; more people capable of doing more things.
 
nwp
2:20 PM
I'm scared because the intended fail-safes (law, constitution, police) have failed to correct behavior which I consider clearly illegal.
 
@nwp Context? (Are you talking about the Philippines?)
 
nwp
@Potatoswatter guantanamo, drone strikes, going after edward snowden
I don't know much about the philippines besides them having crazy drug laws/enforcement.
 
sigh... debugging why your proxy isn't working is non-trivial
 
nwp
@thecoshman it is only cache invalidation, cannot be that difficult
 
@nwp Right. This, I take as evidence not of misdirected power but of a power vacuum. The proper channels of US governance aren't working, so might makes right.
Guantanamo isn't an abstruse legal issue, it's a rogue fiefdom.
 
2:24 PM
@nwp setting up a proxy
not using a proxy
 
gonna take a 2nd look at the bike tomorrow :3
hopefully I'll manage to sit on it this time
if all goes OK I'll prolly start setting up the deal
 
@BartekBanachewicz In winter? Mine starts stalling when the temperature gets down to 20°C
 
2:41 PM
@Potatoswatter down to 20?
did you mean -20
also I don't intend to ride it like right now
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz possibly fahrenheit, which would be -6.6°C
@thecoshman you missed the joke
 
@nwp oh right lol
@Potatoswatter well then I'm planning to get a reasonably new one
 
@nwp Nah, this is the Philippines. It's a carbureted engine tuned for tropics only.
 
@Potatoswatter bah, I had to retune my carb once it got colder here but it's not a huge deal is it
anyway my Honda if I get it will have EFI and stuff so
I said "my Honda" just to feel cool really. I did.
#excited
 
3:08 PM
@nwp apparently so :S
 
Maybe the cache isn't working on his end.
 
nwp
> There are two hard things in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors. - Phil Karlton
 
@nwp ah...
 
@Potatoswatter what do you ride, btw?
 
The Honda CB Twister is an 110 cc standard motorcycle produced by Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India (HMSI) in India since 2009. This model has been discontinued in India with its successor named Honda Livo. It is sold as the CB110 in Colombia and the Philippines. == References == == External links == Official website (India) Official website (Colombia) Official website (Philippines)...
lol
 
3:21 PM
> 109.1 cc
peculiar
not very popular in Europe, we get mostly 49cc and 125cc here
 
It's the absolute minimum for a highway motorcycle. 50cc is moped class. 125cc leaves a little bit of performance margin, haha
The top speed is 100kph, but it will happily do so all day long.
 
kind of nuts to think about dirtbikes where 450cc is common and 125cc is the minimum
 
after fixing about every typo I could ever make, I think I finally have my proxy server doing what I want it to do
I've successfully managed to make a quick job take much longer than it need to :(
 
@SethFoster 450cc is huge for a dirtbike
@Potatoswatter I wouldn't take it to a highway, 100km/h would be a bit too little here :)
I plan to get the NC 700X
should be able to cruise at 140 without too many problems
 
3:37 PM
If only top speed scaled linearly with displacement…
 
lol
well the nc isn't a typical 700cc anyway
it has a very short redline but a lot of torque down low
 
Yeah, you don't want to cruise very long on something that's screaming at you.
Gotta go… good luck with the deal…
 
@SethFoster think you are order magnitude out there
 
The KTM 450 EXC is a 4-stroke enduro off-road motorcycle made by KTM. The models are the European road legal 400 EXC and 450 EXC, the US 450 (Close Ratio) XC and 450 (Wide Ratio) XC-W. The european EXC versions have a small headlight, speedometer, tail-light and somewhat softer linkless (PDS) rear suspension. The US EXC is 50-states street legal. == Model progression == === 2000 - 2001 === The factory RFS (Racing Four Stroke) KTM 400 EXC won the 1999 World Enduro Championship. The 2000 RFS KTM 400 EXC had a right side kickstarter but also had the E-start button. KTM took a different app...
i think that is 450 cc
 
user1804599
3:53 PM
lol, TIL IrfanView logo is a roadkill cat
 
@SethFoster Yes. From the linked page: "Bore / stroke 95 mm / 63.4 mm, 449.3 cc".
 
ah yes, i see that
 
@SethFoster so? That's a lot of power
 
4:09 PM
if someone put a "&" sign in a parameter what does that mean, for example following:

Foo fac;
fac->setInputFac(&dataStreamFac);
 
it is indeed. my father has a KTM 520 cc, it has insane torque. I'd like to own a bike someday
 
nwp

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well I'm still not sure how I'm gonna get it home if buy it
I mean the snow
 
nwp
why would you want to bring snow home?
 
4:26 PM
@nwp You've never tried skiing in your living room, have you? It's a blast!
 
nwp
The better question might be why one would want to buy it in winter.
 
well, I never thought I'd have to disambiguate a number
 
nwp
I ran gcc on a VC2013 project. It is incredible what garbage I write and that VS lets me get away with it.
 
Can someone recommend a tablet below 200 pounds
 
@nwp In my experience, this happens to pretty much everybody who uses only one compiler (almost regardless of which compiler that is). Each compiler has some "blind spots" so it misses problems others catch.
 
4:35 PM
@JerryCoffin That is certainly true, but some compilers have significantly worse compliance than others. VS is an example of such an implementation.
 
@Columbo I'd have guessed that all of them weigh a lot less than 200 pounds.
 
@JerryCoffin I absolutely anticipated this...
Anyway, something below 200 USD in your case?
 
@Columbo Not really. My wife does iPads, which tend to be more expensive. I find tablets pretty useless, so I have no idea about others.
 
nwp
And I again notice that writing comments is bad. They cannot be checked automatically, they get out of sync with the code and the problem they were solving (explaining unclear code) could have been solved better by writing better code.
 
5:09 PM
ergh ¬_¬ stupid server is giving me a 301 with the new location to be the same as what I am requesting... albeit through a proxy
OH MY GOD!!! IT WAS FLIPPING OUT OVER ME MISSING THE TRAILING SLASH
 
@thecoshman He he he
 
@thecoshman literally unusable
 
Also does much more funny stuff browser-side so http redirects to dir/ when dir is requested
 
@rightfold It doesn't, try it :)
@thecoshman It was definitely interesting, but certainly not mind-blowing. Just like the language itself :)
 
5:33 PM
@набиячлэвэли ¬_¬ new suite of projects, fixing everything ever so that it works exactly how I want it to work
ergh... home time
 
 
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7:01 PM
@rightfold would be interested
 
Man, I just took about a hour long nap and it was the best nap ever.
 
nwp
@wilx if you compare the diagrams for health care spendings and national dept you can see a lot of room below or above the curve which I think gives away the shape of the actual curve and ruins the fun
 
Not sure where to go with this. I need to check that my developper story is really private, could someone tell me: stackoverflow.com/users/story/607407
I recently received spam that addresses me with Stack Overflow nickname and I need to track how did it happen
 
7:56 PM
@TomášZato Reports "Page not found" for me
 
-10
Q: initialize array size while creating object in c++

Abdul RehmanTHis is the cpp file.thsi is my assignment please help me out i have to submit it tomarrow

/cc @Mysticial
there is no time i have searching over internet but can't find it then i make a account and thought of that this should help me — Abdul Rehman 54 secs ago
 
@milleniumbug Thanks for help. Sorry for abusing the chat room, I just had no idea who to ask.
 
@wilx What a nice flag.
 
@EtiennedeMartel :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel It sure was nice back in 1939 when people could remind themselves that no matter how much czech does germany cut away, it's still czech country
 
8:08 PM
@Borgleader wow
> are you helping me or i am wasting my time over here – user7427191 10 mins ago
 
8:28 PM
This is so bad:
But I do not doubt everything he said was true.
 
Do you people know how can I make my program interfare with the keyboard inputs ?
 
user1804599
> Running over protesters on roadways could soon be legal in North Dakota
 
user1804599
Excellent.
 
@Hritik Formulate a reasonable question for SO and ask there.
 
@wilx yep russia also has the culture of black people
 
user1804599
8:42 PM
IMO the protesters should also pay for any driver traumas and car damages.
 
user1804599
Fucking dick butts willingly obstructing roads.
 
@wilx that part about a kid sniffing glue certainly is true. all the other stuff (moscow in a forest, buildings moved for parades) is a bullshit.
 
> The mayor's residence among a number of other historic buildings was moved about 14 meters for the widening of the Gorky Street during Stalin's time. -- Tverskaya Street - Wikipedia
@Abyx Seem legit at least partially.
 
8:59 PM
@wilx yeah they demolished old buildings, moved a few - but it wasn't done for parades.
When pranks go TOO FAR: Taxi passengers jump out of a moving car when Saudi prankster plays “Jihad Cabbie” and thre… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/821069524317323266
what the actual fuck
 
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE
And I am very sorry I was acting like an ass last night @набиячлэвэли
@Ven
 
@VermillionAzure Who gives a shit anymore?
 
@набиячлэвэли I do because it matters very much to be nice to people. And to apologize when you hurt or inconvenience them
 
You can be not nice to me idgaf
 
Also, Golden Rule
 
9:15 PM
What's wrong with a European mindset?
6
 
@Brandin Colonialism.
 
@Brandin it doesn't work in U.S.
 
#flameon
 
@EtiennedeMartel nah, just not enough of freedom
 
9:17 PM
@VermillionAzure Did you get banned at least for 30 minutes? :)
 
@wilx No but Ven pointed it out nicely
 
user1804599
9:35 PM
> A Christian reads the Bible. An atheist understands it.
 
user1804599
What part in this quote is wrong?
 
first part
 
user1804599
🤣😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🤛🏻🤜🏻🤝
 
@Mikhail So true, so true.
 
Ell
9:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel how does this work? :O
I rescind that question
 
Ven
10:19 PM
@VermillionAzure all good. Only question I have... Why is your avatar shown twice in autocomplete? :|
 
@Ven i dunno
 
11:12 PM
From stackoverflowbusiness.com/blog/… Sweden sounds like a really great place to work, with its parental leave, massages, and breakfast.
Not to mention the need for coders. I can remember the last time a final exam work I supervised didn't result in an employment. Summer of 2015 - "Nah, I wan't to travel to South America first".
 
let us resume the search for a functional Haskell indent vim script and prepare for disappointment
 
Ah, Luc! Exactly the person I needed. Would you say that it is possible for a Haskell learner, experienced in c++ and templates, with the proper introduction and instruction to implement something similar to rosettacode.org/wiki/Knuth%27s_power_tree in Haskell. In about 4 hours? Not the discovery of the factors, but the calculation of the exponentiation.
 
11:32 PM
@CaptainGiraffe doing anything in 4 fours is sort of steep tbh
4h at once or like 2×2?
 
@LucDanton More like 2 hours of intro to Haskell (and functional stuff), 2 hours deciphering the problem, with instruction. 2 hours coding.
 
that does sound like something doable. learn some haskell, run the algo on pen&paper, then write a haskell program to run the algo right?
 
Ell
sounds like too little to me :V
 
Yep. I'm just unsure about my timeframe.
 
Ell
I don't think that's enough time
 
11:36 PM
might want to shift some time from the pen&paper to the actual coding, but then again I can’t make sense of the problem as presented in your link
 
never mind, after browsing a bit I see there’s some background to it all
 
Does anybody know how to extract the bounded types out of a Boost.Variant?
 
@VermillionAzure the docs know
@CaptainGiraffe honestly I don’t have a clue how you should table the time, the problem is really unfamiliar to me and I don’t know what background your students have
 
oh it's mpl great
 
11:44 PM
@LucDanton Fair enough. Thanks for your input anyways.
 
you got the right idea though, I think building trees in Haskell once you get a handle on the basics (i.e. writing functions & data) is the way to go
a mathematical problem like that is a nice change from the typical 'LET’S BUILD AN EVALUATOR' shtick but that’s personal bias lol
 
@LucDanton I share your dislike for that unnecessarily typical example.
 
I wonder the total amount of hours humans have wasted on learning now obsolete OS & libraries.
 
@Telkitty I'd guess as a first approximation, about the same fraction as the amount of dead people/living people.
 
By the way
Is there serious no better option for error messages in C++?
BOOST_MPL_ASSERT(
                (boost::mpl::has_key<Data::types, T>)
);
This one line results in 200+ lines of error hell for a simple check
 
11:53 PM
@CaptainGiraffe yes, about right - if we can pin point at which time point :p
 
you can try -Wfatal-errors but it’s been flawed for a long time
why does the number of lines matter anyway?
 
the two are very similar - exponential growth of new living person/OS&libraries but dead/obsolete things accumulate over time
 
@LucDanton because the rest of my group is not going to be able to deal
and it's hard to find what the error even is
 
@VermillionAzure it’s the first few lines (which is why a fully functional -Wfatal-errors would be great: you get rid of the rest, which is irrelevant)
YMMV as to the exact meaning of 'few'
 
don't be shy :p
 
11:57 PM
sometimes grepping for "required from here" works wonders
 
with -Werror you look for the first error: which points to the first error
what’s immediately above it is the instantiation trace, what’s below it is sometimes additional information depending on the kind of error
 
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