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sbi
12:07 AM
I haven't needed goto in almost 20 years of C++ programming: stackoverflow.com/questions/4777266/…
@FredNurk Well, for starters, "overloading" applies to functions (and, if you want to split hairs, operators, although they are implemented through functions), which static_cast is not, so I don't see how the term could apply. Also, what you can achieve is fairly limited. For example, you cannot make static_cast accept more than one parameter.
@FredOverflow "Lebensdauer"?
 
12:50 AM
you can also not change the number of parameters for overloaded operators
I know it's not strictly "overloading" in standardese, but I'm trying to convey that the distinction seems superficial rather than useful; and especially so in the context of making "smart pointers act more like regular pointers" wrt conversions and casts
 
1:04 AM
@SteveJessop: sorry about the late comment edit and then delete, though I see you figured it out :)
@SteveJessop: I really think C99 to C89 would be 95% possible without backend-compiler-specifics, esp. if you turn off optional features, but I should've probably kept my idle speculation to myself
*printf format specifiers (how many more does C99 add?) could be a bigger hurdle, if you're committed to the embedded runtime, but even those I could see being handled with statically analyzing literal string formats and a runtime check for others
 
Kev
1:52 AM
hello
anyone here?
 
2:06 AM
yes
 
no
 
hello every one
to b honest i need someone who have experienced programine with Opencv
any one here ??
 
not me. but in general some questions can be answered simply by applying Reasoning(TM) and General Knowledge(TM). Others require consulting the Documentation(TM).
what's the problem?
 
well , i have an enhadled exeption that i cant locate
i have followed the example in this link siteduzero.com/tutoriel-3-8591-lissage-moyenne-et-mediane.html
but its not working for me
 
no french, sorry. can you put code on pastebin?
even if i can't help you, that will help others help you.
 
2:13 AM
sorry whats pastbin ??
is it a website ??
 
click on the link
 
lol
Nov 12 '10 at 20:11, by Roger Pate
Don't be vague, be an ace; write a proper test-case! Paste at http://codepad.org/, http://ideone.com/, or here (if short).
 
@johannes: what, not allowed to use pastabin?
 
it just apeared :p
 
2:15 AM
yes, then pasta the link here
 
@AlfPSteinbach mmm, pasta
 
it wasn't intended to show an exhaustive list of paste sites i suspect
 
codepad and ideone are unusual compared to most in compiling and running the code, which is very handy
 
@FredNurk but probably not support opencv, right?
 
does searching for "copy pasta" in google image search show up with a nice different interface for you too?
 
2:18 AM
thanks for the help Alf i apreciate it
 
ohh it's only on google.no it seems!
 
@AlfPSteinbach how much direction do you want from a generic introductory comment aimed to help all beginners? :)
if I was going to mention paste sites, I'd give prominence to the more generally useful ones; *shrug*
 
good night guys
 
2:42 AM
i'm always amused again when reading the comments on this one:
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A: What is the difference between (type)value and type(value) ?

Jerry CoffinThere is no difference. Edit: Since somebody downvoted this, I'll quote the standard (ยง5.2.3). A simple-type-specifier (7.1.5) followed by a parenthesized expression-list constructs a value of the specified type given the expression list. If the expression list is a single expression, the type...

 
I'll look at it.
Here's an example why voting is not a good way to establish truth, or for that matter to get a meaningful answer:
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Q: convert shared_ptr to auto_ptr?

ks1322I need to obtain auto_ptr from shared_ptr in my code. I can do reverse operation - convert auto_ptr to shared_ptr as shared_ptr has such constructor: template<class Y> explicit shared_ptr(std::auto_ptr<Y> & r); Can I convert shared_ptr to auto_ptr? Or it is impossible by design?

In case it's not obvious what I mean, the selected "solution" is meaningless (no gain) and pretty dangerous (easily leading to UB), and the debate elsewhere shows inability to grasp the concept of "impossible"
@JohannesSchaublitb I looked, I don't understand?
 
3:04 AM
@Alf i dont understand why that guy kept saying you cannot cast to a char* with a type(...) cast
 
well, q = char *(p); would just be invalid syntax, i think?
depends what he meant by "type(...) cast"
yes, it's just invalid syntax
 
@JohannesSchaublitb "That's just childish."
 
@Alf yep i think that is some weird "solution" because it only provides with a const auto_ptr
@AlfPSteinbach hm wait. but a const auto_ptr is useful too
@JamesMcNellis lol
 
A related question:
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Q: Explicit Type Conversion and Multiple Simple Type Specifiers

James McNellisTo value initialize an object of type T, one would do something along the lines of one of the following: T x = T(); T x((T())); My question concerns types specified by a combination of simple type specifiers, e.g., unsigned int: unsigned int x = unsigned int(); unsigned int x((unsigned int())...

 
after all only the pointer is const. you can still invoke non-const member functions on it
@JamesMcNellis it's not childish i think
 
3:11 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb No, not at all. That's what the last comment was though and I thought it was funny.
 
he claimed that you cannot cast to the type char*. but you can, if you denote it in a way compatible with the simple-type-specifier syntax
 
Maybe I should have used quotation marks. Edit: Oh look, I still can.
 
haha i see
i was unsure whether you were serious or not :)
 
I am never serious.
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3:14 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb hm, might be. anyway my own latest comment there was meaningless, i didn't notice the const. just adding to the confusion...
 
and in c++0x i will just say alias<char*>(...) with a proper alias declaration xD
 
ah, with just a click i removed my muddled-brain comment! :-)
 
hm, i can't star james' example of withdrawn comment :-(
 
what did it say xD
 
3:18 AM
dunno, i think it was just example of doing same as I, but much faster!
 
:P
what happens if you post something, i star it and then you delete it?
 
It goes away.
 
ohh
lol reddit downvotes him all the way: stackoverflow.com/questions/4772893/…
-65
A: vb.net - Interrupt form loop and end form

Hans PassantRemove the DoEvents() call from your code. That will make the UI freeze, now you start thinking about BackgroundWorker.

 
3:34 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb "reddit"?
 
Aw, poor Hans.
 
@Alf yeah haha they are making fun of him
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I'm so slooooooooooooooooooow. Where?
 
@JamesMcNellis I think people here are far too sensitive, downvoting an answer like that
 
3:38 AM
i think that answer is totally valid. fwiw i upvoted it xD
 
I upvoted it. The 900 people that downvoted it must be in the "an answer is bad if it doesn't give me exactly the code I need so I don't have to do any work" crowd.
 
i was surprised when i saw reddit discuss my privates-accessing blog entry today xD
 
@JamesMcNellis I only see 73 downvotes?
I once got a lot of web site traffic through mention on reddit. Now I'm afraid I'm being discussed there behind my back. Could explain at least one thread...
Just an idea: maybe one could just link to Reddit or to (gasp!) google groups in order to discuss answers here?
 
if he now accepts the downvoted answer and then unacccept it again, i suspect the other upvoted guy will get a gold badge.
 
@AlfPSteinbach I may have exaggerated.
 
3:47 AM
now it's 84. i upvoted.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb No, to get Populist the accepted answer has to have +10. I know because I am waiting patiently for an accepted answer to get to +10. I think it's at +7 right now.
 
oh my bad. i confused it with the reversal badge
the downvotes has to be given on the question with the reversal badge
@JamesMcNellis i have a few questions that only need 1 or 2 upvotes for accepted answers that will get me the populist xD
 
Ha ha ha. The Reddit discussion is ridiculous.
> to be honest, most people on SO with high rep are actually not that knowledgable. they answer mostly easy/trivial questions in order to gain points. it's pretty gamed. there are a few people of note with very high points, but they certainly aren't the majority.
 
i believe it's 2 ones currently xD
 
@JohannesSchaublitb it says you already have the Populist? :-)
 
3:50 AM
@JamesMcNellis wow that's big news! haha
@Alf it can be awarded multiple times =)
 
Ah, good. Bill the Lizard deleted it.
 
(That's "Go with the flow" by QOTSA, I thought it fitted with "Populist" :-) )
 
Huh, Hans deleted his answer
 
4:01 AM
@AlfPSteinbach No, one of the mods, Bill the Lizard, did.
 
Ungood decision, we need those examples (IMHO)
@JamesMcNellis how do you see that?
 
@AlfPSteinbach Perhaps. For the moment, though, having the kiddies at reddit downvoting the answer to -1,000 is not useful.
 
looks like reddit is sort of like the community police xD
 
@AlfPSteinbach When you have 10k on Stack Overflow, you can see deleted questions and answers. It says who deleted it and when.
 
cheesy poof
 
4:03 AM
oh, i thought i had enough rep for basic functionality
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Or the community asshole lemmings.
 
perhaps time to collect rep again
:-(
 
After 10k there is no good reason to get more rep. Well, until you get too much rep and then start wanting to get onto page 1 of the users list :-|
 
and then you might say "aww i wanna get to the second last column!"
 
4:08 AM
I miss the days where in a week I could move an entire page in the rankings. Now it's going to be weeks before I can move up even one spot.
 
 
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5:12 AM
SO is very unreliable now, but chat works. Mystery.
 
I can't tell. My Internet in general is broken right now, so I'm glad that anything works.
 
Perhaps the speed of light has slowed precipitously, causing the problems.
 
That's one way of viewing the Big Bang. Personally I like the "all-is-relative" view where size of Universe is constant and everything within shrinks. But anyway, I don't like using an hour or so to answer one question; can't gain rep fast that way...
 
5:40 AM
Big shout-out to this awesome site and all its members!! I love it and love participating in it!
 
 
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sbi
9:03 AM
@CharlesBailey Oh boy. As I promised, I have voted to close.
 
user69820
maybe this guy is just really bad at programming?
 
@oraclecertifiedprofessional I don't doubt it.
 
user69820
what I mean is, it seems like he's deliberately creating questions to generate rep by making obvious errors in tutorial examples (imo) but it's equally plausible he's a complete idiot
 
@sbi: SWEngineer is at it again, eh?
 
9:48 AM
@sbi Unfortunately, "storage duration" and "lifetime" are distinct (but related) concepts, so I cannot translate "storage duration" with "Lebensdauer".
@hamza Opencv, what is that? A curriculum vitae for everyone? :)
 
it's a huge wiki where everyone else can edit your CV! :)
 
@CharlesBailey i downvoted
@oraclecertifiedprofessional he might have some handicap, like bad eyesight and migraines and foreigner, plus living in a remote village with no internet or library so he paints his questions (foot-painting) and sends them with dog to big center, where someone posts it
@FredOverflow he he. no its a library for low level computer vision things.
 
hello everybody! I'm back :)
 
user69820
@AlfPSteinbach it doesn't mention that on his bio. Could be pride, i suppose
 
@AlfPSteinbach I think it's more likely he's just an idiot trying to game the system in some way; would not be surprised if his goal is to increase the page rank of that site, or just get more people to view it
 
user69820
9:56 AM
@AlfPSteinbach i hope he releases the dog api
 
user69820
under the GPL, of course
 
@Tony You were gone?
 
Yes I was on holiday, believe it orn ot
not*
heheh
 
SWEngineer's account has been suspended for six months.
 
@CharlesBailey how did he manage to get his account suspended? Not for asking a stupid question I hope...
 
10:04 AM
@Tony By not reading a book.
 
@Tony not for asking a stupid question, for asking 56 stupid questions
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@FredNurk I guess that's a good enough reason
:)
 
that's a bit disingenuous, but it's not far from the truth
 
lol
 
sbi
10:16 AM
@Tony By managing to enrage the community which help he wanted.
And Hi from me, too. What have you done in your holidays? I take it you weren't at a computer with an Internet connection. Good. It's long since I managed that.
 
@sbi yes i've been to LA and I did I have a PC however I had no time to use it :)
it was nice to not use a PC for a while
 
@Tony blasphemy
 
LA, that where they use angels to dust the streets. Commendable.
(Blasphemy)
 
hehe
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis This got to be one of the most mind-boggling statements ever made in this channel.
 
10:19 AM
LA, where angels sell white "dust" on the streets
@sbi: I think he meant it, seriously meant it.
 
sbi
@Tony LA? Weren't you from Europe? (Belgium?) What did you do there? Besides from going swimming in the ocean during the winter (which, presumably, you can get cheaper elsewhere), I wouldn't know what to do in LA.
 
@sbi Watch a Lakers game?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow You caught me with that. I wouldn't know whether they are a football, basketball, or baseball team.
 
@sbi I had never been to the US, so I wanted to visit and see the place, and I have some friends in that area whom I wanted to see
not really into football or soccer tbh
 
@sbi But you know who Kobe Bryant is, right? ;-)
 
sbi
10:23 AM
@Tony Ah, friends always make a difference. (BTW; I have visited some distant relatives in LA in 1991. Seen a few of the sights, too, which is probably when I formed my opinion on the city. :-x)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Who?
 
^ that guy
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Ah, so they're basketball.
 
Indeed they are.
 
sbi
10:24 AM
@FredOverflow That arrow points at my arrow pointing at your question...
@FredOverflow I have heard of Alba, and that's pretty much it. :)
 
@sbi And argv points to an array of pointers to characters. We just love double indirection, don't we :)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow The Programmer's All Purpose Cure: Add another level of indirection.
 
argv points to an array of pointers to characters which themselves often point to points within one character array
 
@FredNurk What's a "point"?
 
sbi
@FredNurk You've lost me there. How could a char hint at anything.
 
10:27 AM
what Kobe gets
 
Do we also have a superlative, as in "point", "pointer", "pointest"? That would be a cool addition to the next C++ standard -- The ultimate pointer! The pointer to end all pointers. The Chuck Norris of pointers. It can even point to itself!
 
double fun (but not long double) if you get rvalue refs renamed pointest
 
sbi
@FredOverflow I think that would have to be pointiest. As in "this wizard's hat is the...". (Rincewind, that is.)
 
void *points_to_itself = &points_to_itself;
@sbi I was just thinking along those lines, as in reinterpret_cast is the pointyest of all
 
@FredNurk Please rename the variable to chuck_norris, thank you.
 
sbi
10:30 AM
@FredNurk What's a point jest? (Did I mention I didn't have enough sleep last night?)
 
don't go all pointillist on us, now
 
@sbi A char could hint at a two-dimensional look-up table of pixels ;-)
 
"The term Pointillism was first coined by art critics in the late 1880s to ridicule the works of these artists, and is now used without its earlier mocking connotation." first they laugh (err, point) at you, then...
 
sbi
@FredNurk Well, it was certainly lost on this furriner.
 
the pointillist poignantly pointed out the poisonous pointy parapet pregnant with pointless poinsettas
it would be useful to automatically load comments when a question has had recent activity. often I feel like people are at odds trying to discuss without linearity, especially for new questions
 
10:39 AM
I don't really get the point of the following question:
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Q: basic.types $3.9 /9th point,ISO Standard C++ specification

1UserPoint form ISO Standard C++ specification : $3.9 /9th point An object type is a (possibly cv qualified) type that is not a function type, not a reference type, and not a void type. Any one can able to explain this point with programming .(how it fails )

 
yeah, I was confused by it too
the OP doesn't state how they're confused or how they're trying to apply it, just "explain me this", so it feels very hard to answer
 
Oh look, only two answers, and both users are called "Fred" :)
 
in other words, make sure to upvote Fred!
 
I can only upvote one of them :(
 
I too, suffer from that affliction
 
sbi
10:46 AM
@tina That does sound a lot like a wife sounds after 40 years of Happy Marriage (TM).
@tina It would be polite to ask, whether he could, please, come to your private room, rather than tell him to do so. Your statement sounded like a wife's who is used to him catering to her every wish and has forgotten the most basic form of politeness: If I want something from someone, I need to ask. Telling someone to do something reeks of disrespect.
 
@sbi I know some girls who can make the "request" of "honey, would you ever so sweetly come here?" sound ten times more dangerous than "ocme here"
 
@FredNurk actually i like tina's style. when told about the starred messages to the right: "what's in it for me?" he he :-)
 
sbi
11:03 AM
@tina Of course. (But you did ask for an explanation.)
@FredNurk Yes, but that does not reek of disrespect.
@tina It must be a harsh life that you lead.
@tina I said I'd stop telling you of what I think about that question, and I did. But I will not stop chatting with others, not even talking about things you said, nor will I stop commenting on what others say. This is a chat, Tina, people are here to exchange thoughts. If you come here, and post messages, you will have to live with others exchanging their thoughts on it.
 
@sbi make some allowance for this and that, please.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach I do. I wouldn't have stopped teasing you or many others in this chat had you said what she said, even when being asked. But there's limits. When someone says, uninvited, "I don't care about others' views" in public, then this generally will, almost inevitably, lead to someone commenting on this. If you don't want this discussed, then you should not make such a comment in public. Or live up to it.
@FredN I messed up your mandala with Tina's and almost attributed to you some of what she said. :(
 
11:20 AM
I guess don't come here if you get offended easily :)
 
@sbi I'm not sure I believe that; you're just trying to get me to abandon my awesome gravatar!
@Tony s/here/online/
 
dude i'd be scared shitless if a woman says that to me
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just sayin' :D
 
sbi
@FredNurk Can you imagine it might be both?
 
I could, but that's not nearly as much fun
 
sbi
@Reno That must be because the only woman who said "come here!" to you in a threatening way is your mother. :)
 
11:30 AM
'sides, you should know I (usaully) proofread
 
sbi
@FredNurk I'm only human. A male, even. And a programmer, at that. To top it all off, I'm C++ jerk. Do you really think I'm able to keep track of people's style of writing in the chat?? What are you smoking that makes you think that?
 
@sbi the good stuff
 
@sbi hahah
 
sbi
I know one woman who would have laughed very hard at my inability to tell your gravatars, and told me that men are poor sods who can't tell more than 32k colors from each other.
 
to which you replied, "men are more likely to be colorblind"?
 
sbi
11:34 AM
Your gravatars do have a different shade of that dark read, you see? For her, it would probably be what red and blue are to me.
@FredNurk Why would I say I, a single individual, am more likely to, when she's just accused all men of actually being so?!
 
because it sounds like the perfect thing to rile her goat
 
sbi
@FredNurk When you've just been humiliated?
 
riling goats is the best way to refute humiliation
 
sbi
@FredNurk I take it you aren't married (nor living with a woman)?
 
oh, does it show that bad? :P
my current girl takes that type of thing and rolls with it; she love to be riled โ€“ we have fun
 
sbi
11:42 AM
@FredNurk Well, you're trying to tell me to refute humiliation by woman. What else does it need to give you away?
@FredNurk Yeah, those are the best kind!
 
 
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12:44 PM
ohai
so then, interesting C++ discussions you got going on in here
 
I had a feeling you'd ocme here and see that
 
does anybody know since when gcc supports -flto?
I mean since version
 
@Polybos gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.5/changes.html, search for -flto
 
sbi
1:22 PM
@DeadMG C++ discussions are going on at SO proper. This is the chat, and whenever I have the time and energy I work very hard to keep discussions off-topic. :)
 
lol
 
1:34 PM
@fred Nurk: Thanks!
 
2:01 PM
@sbi love that modus operandi
yay, 2k rep, wonder how long I can resist before I edit
 
sbi
@FredNurk 2k? Cong-rats and other rodents to you!
Oh, I see you are behind. Your rep currently is 2006, that's been five years ago!
 
2:17 PM
lol
I really dislike people who think that rvalue references are all about performance
sure, performance is a big part of it, but they act like unique_ptr is just a renamed auto_ptr.
 
I've a strange problem. Working with Objective-C++, I sometimes get EXC_BAD_ACCESS in objc_msgSend, but sometimes not. Is this a known problem?
 
sbi
@DeadMG I remember Scott Meyers saying that rvalue references were introduced to solve two specific goals: move semantics and perfect forwarding. The first one is specifically about performance, and the second one is a lot about performance.
 
2:33 PM
well, you can keep your auto_ptr, and I'll enjoy my unique_ptr
 
sbi
@Polybos I don't know Objective-C++ at all. In C++ that known problem is called Undefined Behavior, though. Whether this applies to Objective-minus-See-plus-plus I wouldn't know.
@DeadMG auto_ptr vs. unique_ptr? Allow me to blurt out my ignorance by telling that I don't follow what this has to do with rvalue references. (Remember that I earn my money hacking in C#, and the last time I used C++ unique_ptr was something that worked despite compilers not having implemented rvalue references.)
 
well because there's no move semantics, auto_ptr is basically completely unusable
whereas unique_ptr is totally usable
std::vector<std::auto_ptr<int>> var; // undefined behaviour! owch
 
@sbi guess I need to ask a question and get one upvote
 
or how about
std::vector<named_mutex> mutexes; // Oh noes, named mutexes can't be copied, and therefore cannot be in a vector
 
@DeadMG auto_ptr has (hacked) move semantics, but yes
 
2:40 PM
at least, assuming that I recall what named mutexes actually are correctly
move semantics aren't just about copy semantics being slow in many cases, but flat out impossible for some classes
 
@sbi though perfect forwarding is also a lot about just being able to write certain types of wrappers and containers, too
 
not having to overload on const or not for every parameter
 
@DeadMG definitely
C being limited to only POD types makes a ton of things easier than in C++03 in that regard
 
I have a terrible problem with naming conventions
all of my code that's implemented mostly in Standard/platform agnostic fashions is implemented as camel_case
but all my code that's implemented for Windows is CamelCase
and then sometimes I throw in camelcase for temporary variables and such on top
 
TypeNames, function_names, var_names, namespace_names, MACROS
 
2:45 PM
backbutton->OnMouseUp = [&, app](D3D9Button* ptr) {
	app->ChangeScene(Wide::main_menu_scene_name);
};
 
I'm really not sure how I got into StudlyCaps for types, but it seems to work better
something really freaky is in html5's special data-* attributes: they're exposed to javascript by removing underscores and uppercasing the next character
(and their only real purpose is in being exposed to js, too, since they're supposed to be very local with no predefined meanings)
 
I dislike HTML, personally
 
sbi
@FredNurk Yes, of course. But wouldn't that be a lot easier when we could just copy all arguments? Not doing so is by no means only due to performance constraints (there are semantic constraints, too), but they do play an important role.
 
but then, I just dislike web programming, end of story
 
makes no sense at all to me: if you wanted camelCase, wouldn't you write your html that way in the first place?
 
2:48 PM
@sbi: Performance constraints are important, and I'm not trying to suggest that they're not
but I am saying that they're very definitely a long way from the only very important benefits of rvalue references
 
let's all agree that it's a healthy helping of both performance and semantics :)
whichever is currently more important to you probably appears to be the dominant reason either was added
 
I need to treat my GPU with more respect
trying to implement some serious lighting effects and I'm getting scared off by doing more than one rendering pass on my 3D geometry
 
sbi
3:10 PM
@DeadMG Yes, we can agree on that.
@DeadMG In this distributed system I'm debugging here, I'm juggling with dozens of threads - on each machine. Makes you appreciate a good logging facility.
 
that sounds like fun
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah, it is. :-x
I have this customer in overseas, who processes thousands of documents per hour, and for no apparent reason this one component started handing out each of a few documents several dozen times instead of once. Of course, such happens only on Friday night, and they were stumped most of the weekend. Which now has several Important People (TM) asking every other hour whether I've already found the problem.
And all I have to go from is a log file that's not very detailed (they can't slow it down to 80% throughput to accommodate for extensive or they'll lose their contract), a barely English speaking sysad, who's trying to be helpful, but way to busy, and a few thousand documents that do not reproduce the problem.
 
@sbi soudns like network prob (combined with a bug)
 
sbi
Oh, and I need to be glad that someone actually noted the problem...
 
@sbi i mean you may not be able to reproduce by trying different docs, it may be that you need some particular network failure also...
 
3:22 PM
@sbi: no wonder you're grumpy
 
Hello, anyone here knows a bit of OpenCV?
 
There is a C++ binding
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach No, it's a bug in a component that reads files from the file system. It does so by watching a folder and adding the files arriving to its pile of documents to read. Whenever the system's (I think it's a .NET thing) file watcher buffer overruns, I need to throw away all my data and resync with the file system. Only that all this is asynchronous, and I must not throw away data I'm currently reading...
 
@sbi move them as they're processed? used to be usual solution
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Yep. I think it's them trying to read massive amounts (tens of thousands) of documents from a network share while they are poured in there by some other process. Well, that, and a bug in this file system reader that gets triggered through subtle timing issues.
Only I cannot use that many data for testing, because each test run would take hours (if not days), and might not repro the issue...
@AlfPSteinbach There's many other components behind that fs reader (dozens, some arranged in complicated nested loops, some allowing actual humans to review documents before they are processed further), and some of them will do the moving (to different locations depending on various processing results).
@karlphillip Do you ask this every few hours or was that some one else? If so, the other guy might have found out something by now.
 
3:29 PM
@sbi That's not me. It's the first time I ask this question on chat, ever.
 
@sbi sounds like some file is not being moved (or deleted) because it's being accessed. so it's processed again. might be an idea to check audit track (if there is) about what was being done with the documents that were being spewed out
 
sbi
@FredNurk Getting older I realized that grumpiness is a quite healthy attitude towards life in general. Certain real-world circumstances might sometimes trigger it (and sometimes not), but they most definitely do not cause it. :)
@karlphillip Well, then there's your starting point. I think it was well before 12GMT, BICBW.
 
I asked because I just saw a question about OpenCV,
and gave my shot at answering it: stackoverflow.com/q/4751091/176769
Anyway, it seems that this guy is trying to do player model recognition of COD4 players,
using OpenCV and neural networks.
Which seems to me like the wrong approach.
He's smart though, on the title he says "human tracking"
but then he went to explain that he is trying to identify HUMAN figures on Call of Duty 4.
which then triggered my interest.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach No, I keep track internally of all the files present in the watched folder and what I've done with them (found, read, had an error trying to read, etc.). I tore them all as they pour in from that fs watcher. The trouble is if that blows up, I need to resync my inner data structures with the real world. It seems they have a pretty congested network there, because the log sometimes shows dozens of resyncs triggered in two or three seconds and then no files pouring in for several seconds.
With resyncing being written as a last resort when all else fails, having asynchronous resync events coming in while three others of them are being handled seems to wreak havoc with my keeping track of the real world...
 
@sbi hm, i can't think of anything. my brain's foggy, needs more coffee & food. :-)
 
sbi
3:38 PM
@AlfPSteinbach No, there's no way to find this without looking at the code. That's all asynchronous code manipulating a complex tree structure, with several threads hacking away at it plus those asynchronous events coming in on system threads. It's hard to find anything in that mess while actually looking at it. :)
@karlphillip Well, all I can offer is that I don't think this was the one who asked here this very morning. :)
Anyway, my test is done, lemme look at another 200k lines of logfile...
 
 
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sbi
4:46 PM
@all: Since you were so nice to humor me ranting about my work, I thought I'd share this with you:
Management and the bean counters have just pulled the plug on fixing this, since the customer was operating outside of the projects specification (permanent folder monitoring wasn't part of their project's description) and decided up-front to not to shell out money for any additional support on this project.
Which means that I have been putting something like 14hrs into a real, existing bug, have neither found nor fixed it, and am now required to work on some new features instead. :(
Am am now officially, and for the remainder of this long day, very grumpy.
 
sbi
5:08 PM
(I'll try to post a new version of the FAQ hints now.)
You can edit your messages for 2mins. Click the v arrow appearing left of it when you hover your mouse over it. Also, cursor up will edit your last message, Enter confirms, Escape cancels this.
Markdown sort of works here, like in comments, but fails for multi-line messages (add a newline by pressing Shift+Enter). Apparently, that's by design. Code can be formatted using backticks or by indenting it fours spaces. There's also a "fixed font" button when you start a new line in your messages (by pressing
`Shift`+`Enter`).
__Links__ to specific web pages (many pages on all of the SE sites, Wikipedia, Twitter,...) will __inline__ an excerpt of the page, __when they are the only text in a message__.
Uh, oh. dammit.
Ok, here comes another try...
You can edit your messages for 2mins. Click the v arrow appearing left of it when you hover your mouse over it. Also, cursor up will edit your last message, Enter confirms, Escape cancels this.
Markdown sort of works here, like in comments, but fails for multi-line messages (add a newline by pressing Shift+Enter). Apparently, that's by design. Code can be formatted using backticks or by indenting it fours spaces. There's also a "fixed font" button when you start a new line in your messages (by pressing Shift+Enter).
Links to specific web pages (many pages on all of the SE sites, Wikipedia, Twitter,...) will inline an excerpt of the page, when they are the only text in a message.
Mentioning others using the familiar @syntax will notify them - auditively if they are in the chat, and through the StackExchenge inbox feature across the whole SE network. The UI will suggest matches after you type @ and the first two letters. You can cycle between the suggestions using the tab key, accept by entering space, followed by your message.
Reply to specific messages by clicking on the down-and-right arrow that appears at the right of a message when you hover over it (or by clicking the v arrow as mentioned above). This will start the message with :NNNNNN, where NNNNNN is the message's ID (which you can also find in the permalink to the message.)
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An expanded version of these first hint can be found at the [FAQ](chat.stackoverflow.com/faq), linked to from the "faq" link at the lower right corner of the chat's browers window. (A small popup window showing just the formatting help of the FAQ can be invoked through the "help" link at the same place.)
Well, this went wrong, too. <sigh/>
Well, another try...
You can edit your messages for 2mins. Click the v arrow appearing left of it when you hover your mouse over it. Also, cursor up will edit your last message, Enter confirms, Escape cancels this.
Markdown sort of works here, like in comments, but fails for multi-line messages (add a newline by pressing Shift+Enter). Apparently, that's by design. Code can be formatted using backticks or by indenting it fours spaces. There's also a "fixed font" button when you start a new line in your messages (by pressing Shift+Enter).
Links to specific web pages (many pages on all of the SE sites, Wikipedia, Twitter,...) will inline an excerpt of the page, when they are the only text in a message.
Mentioning others using the familiar @syntax will notify them - auditively if they are in the chat, and through the StackExchenge inbox feature across the whole SE network. The UI will suggest matches after you type @ and the first two letters. You can cycle between the suggestions using the tab key, accept by entering space, followed by your message.
You can spend a limited number of stars per day on messages you like. Recently starred messages are shown on the right, the more stars a message has the longer it stays there. If there's a number right of a star, it indicates the number of people (>1) who have starred it. Room owners can also pin messages to that area. (The message that linked to this was pinned.)
An expanded version of these first hint can be found at the FAQ, linked to from the "faq" link at the lower right corner of the chat's browers window. (A small popup window showing just the formatting help of the FAQ can be invoked through the "help" link at the same place.)
Reply to specific messages by clicking on the down-and-right arrow that appears at the right of a message when you hover over it (or by clicking the v arrow as mentioned above). This will start the message with :NNNNNN, where NNNNNN is the message's ID (which you can also find in the permalink to the message.)
Oh dammit! Now that stupid flow control messed it up!
26 mins ago, by sbi
Am am now officially, and for the remainder of this long day, very grumpy.
 
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