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sbi
8:00 PM
@sehe Yeah, I thought two would be enough. It's been the last ones I had seen, too. I hadn't even looked further if he worked himself up some more or if I had already seen the worst of it.
 
No one must argue about French with @Etienne :P [/joke] (<-- for clarity)
 
@rubenvb Really, did the french non-issue spiral out of control?
 
@sbi so is there any proper reason for your action?
 
@sehe oh, it wasn't that?
 
@rubenvb I don't know. I went elsewhere. If I really want, I can argue with my kids about Spanish. Has the benefit that I can always win.
 
8:02 PM
@sehe chickens do what chickens must :P
 
sbi
@rubenvb I didn't even really follow the argument, but telling a native French he is off and you know better when you're not a native certainly seemed, um, let's call it inadvisable. But the way he got worked up over the others shaking their heads about him certainly seemed plain wrong.
 
@sbi I agree fully.
 
@sbi (@rubenvb) Amazing. You see, that's kind of what I meant earlier. And the case in point illustrate that it is precisely because the lack of humor in the process. I could go on and play backyard pschycologist, but what's the point :)
 
@rubenvb Well, you can, but only if you bring proof.
 
poof!
(sorry just felt like that)
 
8:05 PM
Ba-dum-tish.
 
@sehe lol. Humor is what makes these arguments funny. I try to take everything said in this chat room with a grain of humor.
 
sbi
@DzekTrek Well, do you think I would do something without assuming it would be the right thing to do? If I thought it wrong to flag, i wouldn't have flagged, of course. As for my reasons — I have stated them. You might very well consider them improper. But this is your POV. Mine obviously differs. Interestingly, though, the others' POVs seem to differ from yours, too. As I had said here before (about someone else): When everybody is driving the wrong way, you should check which lane you're in.
 
Bazinga!
 
now, does anyone know if in ARM it's possible to jump from one subroutine to the middle of another?
it seems so unlikely, that something like that would work, but I have a scenario like this, which is mindboggling
 
sbi
@sehe I utterly fail to understand that. Maybe because I hadn't read what you referred to as having said earlier?
@TonyTheLion I am sure anyone knows. (SCNR.)
 
8:07 PM
@TonyTheLion In assembly language? Sure, why not?
 
sbi
Oh, @Dzek, that's certainly lowly.
 
@sbi You can have your own opinion about everything, but that opinion please keep just for yourself. I didn't offend anyone with my behavior, and certianly I do not need to be flagged, but since you have some arguments that confront with my logic, I flagged your statement.
 
Hello everybody, so basically I have a class called Vector with its respective .h and .cpp files. When in my main method I declare (and therefore initialized) a object Vector such as `Vector<int> abc;` the program runs perfectly, however when I do something like `Vector<anotherClassCreatedByMe*> abc;` I get a few linker errors.
Can anybody help me out and let me know what might I be doing wrong?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Are we talking assembler here? If so, then this is certainly possible.
 
@RichardPennington so in assembler, it can jump from routine A to the middle in routine B?
 
8:07 PM
@sbi Someone flagged that.
 
@TonyTheLion Yes.
 
sbi
45 secs ago, by sbi
Oh, @Dzek, that's certainly lowly.
 
Xeo
@DzekTrek @sbi isn't someone who will keep his opinion to himself, and for good reasons.
 
@RichardPennington woah, but wouldn't that mess up the stack pointer, registers etc?
 
@sbi sry. The prequel was a micro-discussion between me and @rubenvb on the function of humor and whether it wouldn't be nicer/required to be more humble about what to state as fact in chats like this. Nevermind, really :)
 
8:08 PM
@DzekTrek No, I want to hear @sbi's opinion, for I consider him wiser than me.
 
@TonyTheLion There's the rub, you'd have to make sure it didn't.
 
Hello everybody, so basically I have a class called Vector with its respective .h and .cpp files. When in my main method I declare (and therefore initialized) a object Vector such as Vector<int> abc; the program runs perfectly, however when I do something like Vector<anotherClassCreatedByMe*> abc; I get a few linker errors.
 
Wow. hi, @Yokhen
 
What instruction would be used for such a jump? I don't see anything relevant: infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0489c/…
 
@DzekTrek Get off your high horse, he's not oppressing anyone.
 
8:09 PM
Hi @sehe
 
sbi
@DzekTrek What? Is that you, the one who fought for his opinion about a foreign language against a native speaker, who telly me to shut up and keep my opinion to myself? Really, you do need some time to cool down. Urgently.
 
@RichardPennington ah, ok. Well seeing that it seems to work, I guess it's not wrong
 
Did I offend someone, did I do anything wrong to be flagged? No, then my reason for flagging his flagging is proper and in the place.
 
I feel utterly offended
 
To be fair, you would have offended me if I was the kind of person to get offended about anything.
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8:11 PM
Unlike some of us here who are willing to discuss about everything, you seem to oppress everything on your own. I just stated my facts, that doesn't mean I am right, am I? @sbi
 
@DzekTrek I would advice not pissing off @sbi. Really, don't make an already grumpy ape, more grumpy
 
sbi
@Yokhen Could it be that what you called "class" in fact is not a class but a "class template"?
 
I hate repeats.
 
@Yokhen about what?
 
For that same reason, I flagged you as I find it as a threat to myself. @sbi
 
8:12 PM
@sbi do you mean the class AnotherClassCreatedByMe ?
@TonyTheLion was just kidding
 
@DzekTrek Woah someone misses the gap between internet and real life. Consider this chat a good practice place for real life.
 
@TonyTheLion I don't care about his actions as long as he don't attack me in any way. By pointing out that he flagged me he did it directly, and believe me many of us here know how to respond in that situations.
 
@Yokhen I got that! (cheers for me)
 
@sbi or did you mean vector?
 
Wait, now I'm confused.
 
8:13 PM
I've been confused all day
 
@Yokhen Perhaps if you could post this as a question, or provide a code sample (preferrably with the error) at ideone.com
 
I've been confused since wednesday
 
@DzekTrek Flagging is the proper way to indicate that one does not consider certain behaviors to be welcome in the chat.
 
@DzekTrek You've been a member of SO for 39 days, been in chat about as long. Why would I believe you when you're talking about "many of us here"?
 
You guys take care: take it slowly with those confussions
 
8:14 PM
@sehe the question is here stackoverflow.com/questions/9344831/… but since they got tired of trying to help, they redirected me here.
 
sbi
@DzekTrek I said it before: You don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you. The problem is only if one of us disagrees with most people here. To me, it seems the one who does that right now isn't me, but you.
 
@sehe I know exactly what is missing here, however I couldn't tell it otherwise when you yesterday told me some racist statement ( it may sound like a joke, but believe me it didn't, especially the notation on the word polish/russian ).
 
sbi
FWIW, I, too, have been flagged and banned here for things I have posted. I am not a god, and if I'm respected, then for what I say and do here, not for what I am.
 
@DzekTrek Wouldn't that actually be a benefit? He didn't play it secretly under the covers
 
Dang, I thought this was a C++ help center, not a drama channel.
 
8:15 PM
@rubenvb Majority of us here are OK, however as you can see not all of us. ( I deem you will find the point here )
 
sbi
@Yokhen "I have a class called Vector with its respective .h and .cpp files..." Is Vector a class or a class template?
 
@sbi Class template, check the question link
 
@DzekTrek Perhaps, you should flag it
 
@DzekTrek I can see the point, but I fear it's not the point you think I will see.
 
sbi
@rubenvb Oh, wasting my time discussing society, I failed to spot that.
 
8:16 PM
@sbi as far as I know it is a class with methods in it, defined and implemented, but I'm not sure what that the difference with a template class would be....
 
@Yokhen Some people are here for other reasons. That's always gonna happen on the internets
 
@Yokhen you have to define all class template member functions in the header, or you'll get linker errors
 
@sbi No you are wrong. When I am wrong, I step out, just like I did in @EtiennedeMartel case or cover my eyes just like I did in @sehe case. If you were attacked like that, believe me you will respond in the same matter or even worse. Discussion with @EtiennedeMartel went OK until he replied to me with offensive tone and insults.
@rubenvb You seem OK, and you now what are we talking here about. :)
 
sbi
@Yokhen template <class DT> class Vector is not a class. It's a template can be created. And that's your problem. Templates need to be implemented in the header. I'm sure there's an FAQ about it. Lemme see...
 
@rubenvb I think I did. Or what should I fix? I'm getting crazy.
 
8:17 PM
@DzekTrek Actually, I was mildy amused until I got pissed.
 
@Yokhen move everything in your Vector.cpp to the header. You can't split implementation out of a template class's header. Which is inherent to C++.
 
Well, did I do anything wrong to you to be pissed. Your reason for being pissed keep for yourself, do not throw randomly insults on me, just because we have different opinions. @EtiennedeMartel And as I know, so far I have being very OK to you, I don't know what caused you to act like that, I never did anything wrong to you.
 
just got back from having my blood drawn :s
 
@rubenvb Tried that, but kept getting errors of the same kind, but a little different... will try it again though.
 
@DzekTrek It had nothing to do with opinions, you were stating "facts" that were false. Plain and simple. And you kept arguing that they were not. So I eventually got fed up with you.
 
sbi
8:19 PM
@DzekTrek When you believe you are wrong... And that's the point. Sometimes we are wrong even though we don't believe it.
 
its fun to come back and listen to people argue about pointless topics
 
@EtiennedeMartel It may be that I was wrong, but that doesn't give you a right to attack me with insults. How would you feel if you get insulted by someone? Your personal feelings keep for yourself, and we will be OK, do not try thowing insults, just because you got fed up with me.
 
sbi
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Q: Why can templates only be implemented in the header file?

MainIDQuote from The C++ standard library: a tutorial and handbook: The only portable way of using templates at the moment is to implement them in header files by using inline functions. Why is this?

 
@DzekTrek Nothing. Insults bounce right off me, I don't give a shit about them.
 
@Yokhen those linker errors refer to ArrayClass, which is also a class template, which also needs to be completely implemented in its header file.
 
8:21 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That's your personality, I really get offended when someone insults me in any way. ( citation needed )
 
@rubenvb gotcha, will get into it then.
 
Also, if by insult you mean my "pulling stuff out of his ass", well, it was actually true.
 
sbi
@Yokhen: Templates need to be implemented in the header. if you get errors that way, you need to fix those errors. Putting template implementations into cpp files will not work.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well then, if that's the case: you're momma's so fat she radiates measurable quantum gravitational radiation.
 
@DzekTrek Hehe. I love that joke, for a change. +1
 
8:21 PM
@sbi Correct, but that doesn't give you a right to flag me just because of it.
 
am I seriously seeing this? you guys are STILL talking about the same thing
 
@rubenvb My mom is not fat.
 
my... -.-
@EtiennedeMartel your moms so fat she went for a swim in the ocean and nations around the world complained of rising sea levels
I just insulted you with electricity
COME AT ME
 
@DzekTrek Seriously, I'm afraid you're not kidding about 'getting offended' ... 'in any way'. I think it would help a lot if you tried to get that realization working in your advantage.
 
@sehe You have to have ace in your pocket. :)
 
sbi
8:24 PM
@DzekTrek When I flag, I do it because I believe something was either "spam, inappropriate, or offensive". That's what it says on the package, and that's exactly what I do. Yours I considered inappropriate and offensive, so I flagged it. You might disagree with that — and, FWIW, if you argue nicely and convincingly, you might even change my mind —, but when I flagged I though it was thus. The way this is handled by the community will decide if others agree with my POV on that.
 
@Hoxieboy Considering she lives a few hundred kilometers away from the nearest ocean, I doubt it.
 
:)
 
We have ourselves a true Zen master in our midst.
 
my point exactly, bits and bytes don't hurt you, don't be a baby, you to @DzekTrek
if you guys are seriously hurt by text, I don't know what to say to that
 
I might go ballistic if you offend one of my friends, but few things actually offend me.
 
8:26 PM
maybe, don't be? thanks, it make the chat clean er
 
@Hoxieboy +1 (@rubenvb now perhaps, do you see what I was trying to indicate with my 'sighing' rhetorical question earlier?)
 
@sbi Fine, I agree with you, but before anything you do about flagging, please consider it twice, and don't ever say you are the one who flagged it, 'cause my opinion about you just dropped 3 levels on the respect scale. You may find it however you like, but believe me you made really big mistake with it, especially because I did nothing with that discussion.
 
sbi
Why is everybody trying to insult @Etienne by insulting his mother? Isn't he even worth a proper insult to himself? Really, if you did that to me, I might find that seriously insulting.
 
@sbi cause everyone's mother is vulnerable
 
@Hoxieboy Mine isn't. She's batshit insane.
 
8:27 PM
and I'm not insulted by text at all ._.
 
If the flagging was reasonable, I would agree with you and say I was wrong, but that discussion was nothing but ordinary talk about French language and that's all.
 
@DzekTrek we already settled this, just leave it be
people are different, what can you do
 
@sbi You're momma's so fat I can't tell her belly button from ... well... other sometimes deeper crevices in her body.
 
@DzekTrek it's room about C++ language, not French
 
@rubenvb XD
 
8:28 PM
@Abyx Agree but our topics are not only about C++ but also about everything else. :) 70% of all the chat messages are non c++ topic.
 
oh, no. I baliistic-ized the ape. <ducks and crawls into his nuclear shelter>
 
sbi
@DzekTrek I am mostly against flagging, and I am all about speaking openly if I disagree with someones tone, but you seemed far beyond reasonable arguing. I did not want to flag anonymously, though, that's why I said that it was me. And I will likely do again so should I ever again flag someone.
 
speaking of C++, is there a way to seek out a specific line in a file? or must I, once again, use a for loop
 
Yeah, @sbi is probably the most anti-flag guy here.
 
8:30 PM
> I am mostly against flagging <-- vehemently so, as the moderators will be able to confirm. All of them
 
@sbi That's your opinion, and I should respect it. But you are wrong that it was beyond reasonable arguing, it was normal discussion in which both sides tried to keep their point of view on that matter. I didn't offend anyone, and never will, but as you know someones vent pipe always have to loose in that kind of situation.
 
@Hoxieboy Read forward, counting the \n you encounter, until you got enough.
 
@EtiennedeMartel sounds like a fine solution I guess, thanks, sorry about yo momma :)
 
@Hoxieboy size_t line 0; size_t wanted_line = N; while( std::getline(file_stream, dummy_string) && ++line < N); or something like that that actually works
 
@DzekTrek Erm... he isn't wrong. You hold another view. Alarming news.
 
8:31 PM
why is it that there ARE so many flags being used in this room recently at all?
 
sbi
@Abyx Actually, that's wrong. There's a room elsewhere about the C++ language. This room is a lounge, where we relax, and talk just about anything. French is pretty fine, IYAM.
@EtiennedeMartel Except when I feel like flagging, of course. :)
 
Of course.
 
@markus I sort of asked a similar question yesterday. In my view, the room seems to have seen an influx of... rather belligerent new users. Some might easily be mistaken as trolls some of the time.
 
@sbi I wasn't aware of that room. What are they, snobs?
 
sbi
@markus I flagged @DzekTrek, with which he disagreed, and which prompted him to revenge-flag me. It's pretty much back to normal now, though, so please keep going about your own business. :)
 
8:33 PM
@markus Interestingly, I suspect that a fair part of those flags are being initiated by those relatively new users. But I don't have proof to back that up :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel inactive to say the least: 8 days between discussions
@sehe isn't there a rep minimum for flags?
 
@sbi this is my business
 
@markus +1, I'd go over and inquire if the PHP room flooded us with flag reviews. Basic curiousity mixed with a tiny bit of concern for the health of the room
 
this room is the most active room by a significant margin, as far as I'm aware, so there's no surprise that we get flags
 
sbi
@markus Then welcome to the room! Please start out by reading the newbie hints, linked form the starboard on the right. :)
 
8:35 PM
I didn't flag you because of my revenge on you, and I will never do such a thing. I flagged you just because I think you commit inappropriate flagging on me.
@sbi And yes, I agree for everything to be back in normal again.
 
@sehe are the room owners aware of it, do they moderate the conversations here, are there clear rules of communication and etiquette?
 
sbi
@sehe Actually, that should be when they do, not if.
 
@markus There's about 10 room owners here. @sbi is one of them.
 
@markus Woah, that sounds very recurrent. My definition of revenge looks eerily close to your reason
 
sbi
@markus Why don't you have a look at the list of room owners? And if you're surprised about that list, why don't you rea dthe newbie hints? They explain it.
 
8:36 PM
@EtiennedeMartel do they have a commong approach to moderation? and I'm not asking, do they have it on paper, I'm asking, do they live it?
 
@sbi True
 
@markus What are you, the meta police?
 
sbi
@markus Room owners are not moderators.
 
our approach to moderation is what we've decided it should be
 
@markus I don't know. But considering how casual this place is, it's probably handled on a per-case basis.
 
8:36 PM
@DeadMG Easy, DeadMG, I'd expect @markus is just a concerned SO chat user, like you
 
I leave for 1 minute and you guys are right back to arguing -.-
 
@Hoxieboy We love to argue.
 
Don't start with the democratic election stuff in here. I like the current dictatorial regime
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@DeadMG if you haven't noticed, SO is managed by the community, I'm part of it, I have to deal with the flags coming from this room
so I decided to inquire
 
@EtiennedeMartel we live to argue
 
8:37 PM
@markus This room is managed by this room's community.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Speak for yourself? :) lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel I KHAN tell
 
@DeadMG Fair point, IYAM
 
rofl! ........ KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAn
 
sbi
8:39 PM
@EtiennedeMartel There were a few users here a while ago who were a bit pissed at us for discussing sex, drugs, rock'n'roll, and whatnot, and disturbing their C++ discussion. They were pointed at the "lounge" in the room's title, and it was suggested they'd create a room only for discussing the C++ language. They did so. I think this is good.
 
@sbi Indeed, it's a great idea.
 
seems everyone here agrees on arguing, fine for me, just stop producing flags, if possible.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Damn. Thanks.
 
no prob
 
@markus We'll flag if we need to. But we rarely do anyway.
 
8:41 PM
@markus Other rooms produce equal, or greater, amounts of flags, in my experience.
 
@DeadMG The PHP room is worse, I think.
 
@rubenvb So i move the contents of ArrayClass.cpp and Vector.cpp into their respective headers and now I have only one unresolved external:

Error 1 error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual __thiscall ArrayClass<class AccountInfo *>::~ArrayClass<class AccountInfo *>(void)" (??1?$ArrayClass@PAVAccountInfo@@@@UAE@XZ) referenced in function "public: void __thiscall Vector<class AccountInfo *>::`vbase destructor'(void)" (??_D?$Vector@PAVAccountInfo@@@@QAEXXZ)

Does this mean I have to also add the contents of Vector.h to ArrayClass.h or viceversa?
 
sbi
@markus If you haven't noticed, this is what's probably the most busy room in the SO chat, it has a dozen owners (several of which are currently here and active), it has it's own memes, culture, and whatnot. Feel free to drop in and learn about us. But please don't try to tell us how to run a successful room.
 
@markus What would world look like if it wasn't for arguing? Arguing makes some good ideas to become brilliant.
 
I wish I could flag arguing
 
8:41 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Well, it is related to PHP :P
 
or flag the hate in the world
 
@Yokhen no, Vector.h includes ArrayClass.h if I'm not mistaken. Can you pastebin ArrayClass.h?
 
sbi
@Yokhen The linker cannot find the destructor for ArrayClass. Where is it defined?
 
I wish I had a beer right now. In fact, I think I do, let me check in my fridge.
 
why not handle it like pro's instead, of. arguing. like. you. are. right. now.
 
8:42 PM
@DzekTrek couldn't agree more
 
@rubenvb Yeah, I just realized that a second after I posted, sorry. Will fix that now
 
@Hoxieboy to be honest, this is more or less a show for someone :)
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Whoa, great idea! goes to the kitchen
 
I need to use the toilet
 
@sbi I meant to say about the destructor thing to you xD i mixed names
 
8:43 PM
Now I'm happy.
 
It's called "discussion", not "arguing".
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's really really great, now everybody kiss
 
@DeadMG your ass throbbing again? lol
 
@Yokhen you're probably just missing {} after ~ArrayClass()
 
@DeadMG Sucks to be you.
 
8:44 PM
@rubenvb yes sir indeed, will be back after I implement it, thank you
 
@Yokhen no need to leave in the meantime. you're welcome to stay.
We have bunks in the back
 
sbi
Cheers, @Etienne!
 
my arm hurts, vampires.
 
laying on bunk
 
sbi
@Yokhen You can edit messages here for 2mins. This, and many other useful things are explained in the newbie hints, linked from the right-hand panel. :)
 
8:46 PM
@sbi Cheers!
 
@sbi ^_^ I know I can, I just forgot, sorry.
 
@Hoxieboy that means you either didn't apply enough pressure after they removed the needle, or they perforated your artery and you can happily await a bruise
@Yokhen I'm contemplating flagging you for neglecting the newbie hints.
 
@rubenvb Oh... alright.
 
SARCASM
FAIL
BOAT
 
btw. I'm not trying to do that... I'm just informing myself. that's all. because of (I quote from your newbe hints): You can flag messages as spam/inappropriate/offensive by clicking onto the small flag to the right of the message. If enough users flag a message, it will automatically be deleted by the system, and the poster be banned for a while. Note that all >10k users get notified about every flagged message across all rooms of the chat and most of them find that very annoying, especially when done for silly reasons.
 
sbi
8:49 PM
@markus Did I mention before that I am actually very unlikely to flag?
 
@rubenvb lol, you got me. I really considered you calling you authoritarian.
 
When @sbi flags, it's because shit got real.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Shit is real?
 
Differential equations is where shit gets real.
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sbi
@EtiennedeMartel No, that's wrong. It's because I think shit got real. That's not necessarily the same thing, although I keep hoping.
 
8:50 PM
@rubenvb Normally it's integral. When it becomes real, then it's serious.
 
Runge–Kutta method is making my head hurt.
 
@CatPlusPlus differential equations are in general easily solved when you apply complex analysis if they are at all solvable)
 
@sbi I think most people here trust your judgement.
 
Fourth derivative of angular velocity is bit too much for my taste.
 
Imagine when shits get complex. Then it's the time to find shelter.
 
8:51 PM
@sbi stuff is when most people perceive it as being. Those who disagree are either fired or moved to Guantanamo, depending on which country you live
@CatPlusPlus Fourier transform that sucker!
 
shudder
 
fourth derivative -> multiplication with omega^4
apply those maths!
 
maaan
 
You speak of magic.
 
I want to talk to a friend online and he just won't come online
 
8:52 PM
Fuck the maths, drink vodka and forget about your problems.
 
:) my thirst for inquisition has been quenched, have fun.
 
how irritating
 
alternatively you could Laplace transform. It seems engineers are more familiar with its magical powers
@markus you should drink more ;-)
 
What exaclty binary trees you are using in your practical work?
 
How is it ω^4.
 
8:53 PM
@DeadMG indeed, very indeed
 
That's some unknown knowledge to me.
 
@user1131997 std::map. Even though they're technically red-black trees on most implementations.
 
oh no! my telomeres are unravelling! suffers apoptosis and melts
 
if you can stand the notation.
 
sbi
@sehe, your PDF basically consists of a bunch of grayscale images. If uncompressed, each would take about 20MB of space, which makes your 29 images occupy at least 600MB during printing. Depending on the resolution of your printer, this can increase dramatically, which could lead to a temp file exhausting your 2GB of disk space. You could print just a few pages at a time, or try duplex, or just make more room on your disk. (You know that NTFS sucks below 10% of free disk space, don't you?)
 
8:56 PM
Man, my report looks absolutely fabulous now that I've written it with LaTeX. Word, I'm leaving you.
 
@EtiennedeMartel too bad LaTeX sucks so bad in coding.
 
@EtiennedeMartel world? you are leaving world?
 
@sbi Yes I know about low-headroom fragmentation problems. And yes I knew about the potential uncompressed size. Yes, I made sure my printer was on '300 dpi' (lowest possible) and 'toner save' mode (I'm a cheapskate). Anyways, as I mentioned, not using collation apparently makes Acrobat a lot smarter about managing it's temporaries - and I already spent the 20 minutes manually sorting the copies back into full stacks...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Now try ConTeXt.
 
@sbi Oh, and the punchline: It wasn't actually 2Gb. It was actually more than 3.98GB (as that was my free space at the time)
 
8:58 PM
They pull you in with the "Focus on contents, not layout", then you start focusing on coding instead of contents, then you notice LaTeX is throwing tons of overfull hboxes errors at you, which makes the focus shift back to layout, and then you realize Word 2010 has an inline equation editor that recognizes most LaTeX math shortcuts.
 
Xeo
I feel I just need to link that.
 
sbi
@sehe Well, what I actually meant to say was: There's really nothing unusual about that file. The most likely culprits are your printer driver, Acrobat, or the two working together.
 
Word sucks.
 
@Xeo Somehow I feel directly targeted.
 
I'll take cryptic TeX errors over WYSIWYG any day.
 
8:59 PM
@sbi Lastly, there was a false alarm in my 'cannot open the document anymore'. For some reason I got that error message, but I could just manually browse the file and open it no problem. I'd blame VirtualBox Shared Folders for the dumb error messag there
 
Especially WYSIWYG with a mind on its own.
 
@CatPlusPlus "It's aliiiive!"
 
@CatPlusPlus yet maths is beyond you ;)
 
"Oh, you didn't want to insert this horizontal line here? No problem, I won't let you remove it. EVER."
 
I love the HTML one
"This is a flower pot."
 
9:00 PM
@DeadMG +1 lol
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus WYSIWYTYG - What you see is what you think you get.
 
"You wanted a page break at the end of this one? I'll just move half of previous page to the next one."
 
@CatPlusPlus ^Z always works(*)
(* if everything is working right)
 
@sehe Not really.
"Undo? You didn't do it, I did it, why would you want to undo it?"
 
we could throw in basic on that comic strip holds paper and reads: "ga ga, goo, boo? what is this, I don't understand?"
 
9:02 PM
@rubenvb Yes.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Never happened to me. But then, I have used Word95 until 2009, and could only be forced to use a newer version at gunpoint. (Which newer version I don't know. There's no Help/About anymore.)
 
@CatPlusPlus I feel the pain. My favourite keyboard shortcuts in Word have become ^Spacebar (remove all formatting/normal style) CtrlShiftC (copy style/formatting) CtrlShiftV (past style/formatting, a.k.a. 'paint bucket'). This really helps when coercing word to do what you want
 
@sbi 2010, I think.
I have to say, Word's recent UI looks quite nice. It's a pity that it handles like a whale on a skate board.
 
@sbi It's just well hidden like in IE
@sbi I'm with Office 2003 too. I'd hate to go to the newest (with the ribbon bar)
 
@ScottW Well, shit.
 
sbi
9:08 PM
@sehe I never used 2003. I remember upgrading every WinWord version beginning with 1.1, and, after having a brief look at the dancing paper clip, going back to 95 from 97 after two days. I stuck to 95 then, until they made me use Office 20xx a while ago. I hate it. I mean, Word95 had undo after save, and the one I have to use now, created more than a decade later, can't do such magic. Are they even serious?
@EtiennedeMartel I really dunno. It might be 2007, for all I know.
@sehe So where is it?
 
@sbi lemme check. Office2003 is the last one without the ribbon bar, not?
@sbi Uhm. It took me five minutes to find it back then. Also, can't repeat that search party now, since that would require me to have an installation of Office Ribbon Bulk Edition sitting around. Which I don't
 
sbi
@sehe All I know is that 97 didn't have it yet.
 
@sbi I think it was 97,XP,2003 (ok-ish) and then the end of the line. That said, the office might still be using OfficeXP, need to check
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Ah, when I start it it says "Office 2007". /cc @sehe.
 
how this bubble sort is terrible or not?
 
sbi
9:11 PM
@user1131997 Please learn how to post code here.
 
@sbi Can I be a room onwer?
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@sbi how and where?
 
sbi
@user1131997 Read the newbie hints.
@DeadMG I meant to wait for his editing period before doing this.
 
@sbi Damn. I keep forgetting about that.
 
9:15 PM
@sbi Good point. I guess. It'd be interesting to analyze all the entrances of this particular user into this room. They all share the same pattern.
 
sbi
@sehe Um. We had this discussion a few months ago, when I objected to be the only one taking the blame for throwing users off the owner list. We agreed to try to trim the list of owners down to the list of frequent users (while not being too eager about cleaning people out from the owner list). You are not, currently on that list, so I wouldn't want to add you.
 
@sbi Clear. Thanks
 
sbi
@sehe What's your beef with that? So far he didn't strike me as being particularly helpful to the room's culture, but OTOH I hadn't notice anything really disgusting either.
 
Ell
hey guys
 
@Ell hi ;)
guys, what's your oppinion about C-- ?
 
Ell
9:20 PM
ohh I'm not on frequent users :'(
Who was I talking to earlier about getters/setters?
 
hi, any xcoders that can answer a quick question?
 
@Milosz listening :)
 
@user1131997 C-- isn't intended for people, rather for computers.
 
@user1131997 Thanks! So I'm doing this tutorial, and whenever the author creates a new class, his implementation includes a default init method (a template). I don't. Why is that?
@user1131997 to clarify, the init method is automatically added to the .m file
 
@sbi Perhaps I'll elaborate on that sometime appropriate. For now, my favourite quote in this context chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=2678533#2678533
 
9:30 PM
Hi.
 
Ell
@jk4736 hi
 
The code for new instance of some class looks like

A *ptr = [[A alloc] init];

right?

So, you are sending signal to allocate for a new instance

Object returned from signals and then sends (init) to initialize instance variables, methods in the class
So, as I undetstand you want to know how to override the init method of the NSObject ?
 
Yes, but what Im talking about is this part
- (id)init
{
self = [super init];

if (self) {
// Initialization code here.
}

return self;
}
@user1131997 this is automatically there in the .m file upon creating a new class in the tutorial
 
@Milosz it's overriding, as you show me right now
 
@ScottW Apparently I'm a hawk
> You are a Hawk! (your score: 21)
 
9:34 PM
@Milosz What's your finally aim? Do you want not to include in .m file in initialization?
 
Ell
I'm a crow :D (31)
 
@user1131997 Hm, ok. I'm just a beginner, but what caught my attention was that in the tutorial, upon creating a new class, the init method was always automatically inserted into the .m file.
 
@Milosz you may not include in .m file, you can in runtime do it
 
@user1131997 Hm, ok thanks, I'll figure it out from here!
 
Ell
is it possible to get the name of a class at compile time?
 
9:47 PM
@Milosz you can combline C++ and Obj-c and pass many standart things in Obj-c
 
Anyone saw that girl with a pikachu tatoo in the waist?
 
Ell
:S
 
@Milosz you should look at SuperLib
@Milosz it might help you
 
@Yokhen Post it?
@CatPlusPlus you there? Wondering if you know anything about Factor's continuations.
 
Continuations as in?
 
9:54 PM
Like callcc0 and friends.
 
Haven't played with that.
 
Ok. I'm just trying to figure out what they are useful.
 
I'm currently having trouble to make a wrapper around std::thread that initializes some thread-local storage.
C++ certainly changed a lot with C++11.
 
> Continuations serve as the building block for a number of higher-level abstractions, such as Exception handling and Co-operative threads.
 
23 mins ago, by Ell
I'm a crow :D (31)
 
9:58 PM
How would you do it?
 

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