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12:00 AM
Dat suspance
 
Hi @Cicada
 
I wonder why valve's games are so badly coded
 
they are?
 
with dumb bugs and glitches spread among all of the games that use source and are done by them
do they not care
are their programmers bad
is there no time because the deadlines are causing everyone to die
either way I sure wouldn't want to work there
 
well source 2 so I hope there won't be that many bugs
 
12:04 AM
there are problems that have never been fixed since release and should have been because they're critical
take this
 
@AlexM. Valve is shit didn't you know
 
server - client lack of sync for hitboxes
the only reason they don't fix this I presume is that trying to do it would break everything
 
@Columbo gamedev is hard
 
@Jefffrey If I pay for shit I want my shit
 
like how they wanted to change the speed decrease one weapon causes and managed to fuck up all weapon speeds
 
12:05 AM
If my shit is shit then that's shit
 
That game is developed by underpaid developers with a tight schedule that haven't slept for a whole month.
 
@Jefffrey that would be true if other companies didn't get it right
 
It's already great that it somehow works.
 
lol Valve's atmosphere is more than likely not like that
 
@Jefffrey Valve isn't like that.
 
12:08 AM
I bet they're a huge family of happy devs who can't code for shit then
 
@Jefffrey If that is your basis of judgement, then god bless you mate
 
Valve is a bunch of incredibly well paid workers who can do whatever the hell they want with little to no presssure.
 
Probably you suck VC++'s dick for being able to recognize a lambda
 
the shit crashed on me after the latest update, I hope it never happens in a proper match
last thing I want is cooldowns because their software doesn't work
I need to sleep to calm down or sth
it's 3am anyway
 
@EtiennedeMartel aka best job ever
i cant even brain tonight
 
12:16 AM
Trine 3!
and it's in 3D!
 
@Borgleader From what I've heard, they have weird high school-style internal politics where people with large egos tend to concentrate power around them, and since there isn't a strict hierarchy, you can't just go talk to your boss if you have a problem with someone.
 
who cares
you can get that from blender.org
 
@Rapptz I presume you get auto updates through Steam.
 
i still think its cool, theyll have a broader reach
 
12:17 AM
yes but blender.org doesn't track hours!
I'll get it
 
people might just come upon it by searching
 
they really need to add achievements and trading cards
 
who doesn't know what blender is
 
a lot of ppl
 
I don't think anyone who is interested in 3d graphics doesn't know what blender is
 
12:19 AM
guys, there's nothing wrong with blender being on steam
it causes no harm to anyone, why so against it
 
I'm not against it
I just think the broader reach thing is silly.
 
@Rapptz Everybody who's ever had a frozen margarita knows...
 
I was serious though
showing it off on my profile and tracking hours is great for me
 
@Rapptz Blender is nice.
 
12:22 AM
 
still don't know how to navigate blender UI
but I know my keyboard shortcuts
 
I remember reading something about selling your assets created for your game
in that announcement about paid mods on steam
maybe that's linked to blender joining
but there were other 3d content stuffs for sale before so maybe not
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not convinced this is a good thing.
Like the workflow for 2.7 vs 2.5 and even lower is different
 
@Rapptz Me neither, but still.
 
btw all the negative reviews are pretty bad
there are only 5 of them but still
 
12:27 AM
@EtiennedeMartel You work in gamedev, right?
 
@Jefffrey Yes.
 
Do you like it?
 
@Jefffrey he's a tool tool's dev
:P
 
Well, I know it sounds like a bad question...
 
Quite a lot, although it should be noted that I don't work on games directly.
 
12:28 AM
@Rapptz neat
 
I was waken up by the dawn service for anzac day at 4:50am-ish. Apparently they were a km away, I could still hear them singing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel On what do you work?
 
But actual game devs sit roughly 20 meters away from my desk.
@Jefffrey Content authoring tools, asset pipeline, that kind of stuff.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Still at Ludia?
 
Basically, I make the stuff between 3ds Max and our engine, as well as anything for which 3ds Max is not good at.
 
12:29 AM
And you use ECS engines?
 
Sleepytime!
 
Next version of our in-house engine uses ECS, yes.
 
Have fun all
 
Also I think I mentioned this already, but wow, some of my friends played Jurassic Parkâ„¢ Builder a while ago.
 
Which means that the tools we make that interact with the engine also use ECS.
 
12:30 AM
I have yet to understand ECS fully, I think. But it's promising.
 
We use a code generator to output component classes in both C# and C++, as well as the required (de)serialisation code between the two.
 
It's just dynamic composition
There's not much to understand
 
ECS' advantage in our case is that it's dynamic and generic, so the interop layer is pretty simple, and it's easier to deal with from a tool standpoint.
Our components are stored in JSON, loaded with generated code to create a C# object, that object is edited in a property grid with reflection, serialized into binary data in a shared memory section, then COM interop is used to push that section's name to our engine, where it's memory maped to a struct and added to an entity.
 
lol COM
 
@CatPlusPlus Hey, works for free.
 
12:35 AM
Holy cow
 
At runtime we skip the whole shared section thing and just memory map the binary files that result from the asset build.
But the binary format is the same whether it's converted live or in a build.
 
@Jefffrey s/cow/com/
 
The interesting thing is that a component knows how to convert itself.
 
@EtiennedeMartel convert itself?
 
Convert to what?
 
12:37 AM
Also Unity's UI system officially annoying
 
@Borgleader We use "conversion" to mean "serialise into a POD".
The only weak point in the whole thing is that the bit at the end, where the POD is turned into a engine-usable object, is hand written.
You have to register your component type with a set of functions that will respectively add it to your entity and remove it.
 
The weak point is not hosting the CLR and doing the COM dance :v
 
@Borgleader His boss may not be perfect, but I wouldn't call him a "tool".
 
@CatPlusPlus It's a historical artifact. We in the tools team have to deal with an engine that consider asserts to be the best possible way to handle any error.
If the engine crashes, we have to keep running.
 
"I kept running until I found another thing to work on"
Gamedev code will forever be bad
 
12:40 AM
But honestly it works pretty well. And pretty fast.
 
Speaking of tools I have to finish server monitoring, this is somehow worse than gamedev
 
12:55 AM
@EtiennedeMartel You dont happen to have any experience with .obj file format by any chance?
 
@Borgleader Not really, and anyway we're using FBX.
 
yeah but fbx is annoying as shit to parse innit?
 
Maybe. We used a SDK for it.
My coworker who did it was generating an aura of swearing. That must mean it wasn't so bad, right?
 
1:20 AM
hi
 
1:45 AM
>
For the Plurality Method, the candidate with the most first place votes wins. The winner does NOT have to receive a majority of the first place votes!
How does that even make f*king sense wtf
 
Majority is >50% hth
 
How can a void(*)(Args...) not match a lambda with return type void?
 
prepend with +.
 
What do you mean?
 
You have to force decay
 
1:56 AM
You have to decay it.
 
cplusplus.txt
 
It doesn't implicitly decay because implicit decay is bad.
 
I don't get it, what decay?
 
Lambda to function pointer
 
the lambda is a functor and you're taking a function pointer
 
1:57 AM
Oh
 
Also you can't decay lambdas that have captures so your function sucks
 
How would you take as argument then?
Can't have std::function<void(Components...)>
 
template<typename Function> probably
god knows how your function works though
 
But then you don't know what types are the arguments
 
Ask Robot about argument introspection
 
1:59 AM
That is, you don't have "Components"
 
your function doesn't make much sense
I mean, outside of your argument introspection thing.
 
How so?
 
How are you planning on calling it?
How will you receive the arguments?
 
@DonLarynx Say you have three candidates who nearly tie. One gets exactly one third of votes. One gets one fewer than one third, and the last gets one more than one third. None of them has a majority of votes, but the last one has a plurality.
 
2:01 AM
@JerryCoffin wow, strong. @CatPlusPlus
 
Specifically line 104 is the corresponding function
And on 159 it's called.
 
@JerryCoffin trade brains? Mine is more apt in math, sports, names of beautiful women, etc.
 
You're most likely shit out of luck
 
I'll ping robot next time I see him.
 
So you already have the data
 
2:03 AM
(Spoilers he'll tell you to not do that)
 
@Rapptz The data is in the entity container, yes.
 
there are a couple of ways of doing it
one is to rely on the decay semantics of a lambda but that way sucks
the other way is to explicitly list the component in the type list
choose your poison
etc
 
Yeah, they both suck I guess. The second option was what I was trying to avoid.
 
2:19 AM
And I'm officially released from Google. Back home and can't get back in the building. :)
 
Never thought I'd really be leaving this job so early. Everyone that I ever worked with who joined before me is still there.
 
@Mysticial hi
were you the one who drew the android pissing on the apple, we feel you brah
 
2:58 AM
@Mysticial only the best ones get poached ;)
 
@Borgleader I was definitely not the best employee. :)
It really came down to skill match.
 
sometimes i wonder if being smart is a burden, then i remember that people pay for our services - a lot - and then i'm content.
 
As a generalist (which is what Google hires), I'm no better than anyone else.
 
well thats the problem, they gave you a job that didnt exploit your particular skills
 
@Mysticial What's a generalist?
 
3:02 AM
(which are to make CPUs generate an obscene amount of heat)
 
"Jack of all, master of none" is a figure of speech used in reference to a person that is competent with many skills, but is not necessarily outstanding in any particular one. The earliest recorded versions of the phrase do not contain the second part. Indeed they are broadly positive in tone. Such a Jack of all trades may be a master of integration, as such an individual knows enough from many learned trades and skills to be able to bring his or her disciplines together in a practical manner. This person is a generalist rather than an expert (Specialist). == Origins == In Elizabethan English the...
 
@DonLarynx Hi
 
@Mysticial that's awful, google just didnt realize the potential in you.
 
@DonLarynx Or rather, they didn't have a position that needed HPC.
 
hehe. you got 6 i7 processors embedded in you?
i kid, i kid
 
3:04 AM
Just 4. Not 6.
 
VP9 is terrible
google pisses me off
 
Even if Google did give me a position to do HPC, it still wouldn't have prevented me from getting poached. For large companies, there are rules that limit how much an employee for a specific level can be paid.
 
i like how in the lounge everything is either awesome or terrible
 
That said, there are exceptions too. But those are rare - mostly for acquisitions.
And my level was the second lowest level for an engineer.
 
3:08 AM
I wish netflix was using VP9 :(
 
@Borgleader logic
 
@Borgleader No, it's either terrible or doesn't suck too badly.
 
@Cicada eh , i've only met 2 women in my life who don't suck too badly
8
 
Well maybe they should learn from you
 
3:24 AM
any() :
    data(nullptr) {

or

any()
:   data(nullptr)
Which do you like better
 
if its below 80 columns use it
@Cinch generally both won't make a difference
 
2nd because then you can line up commas
 
second because you don't have a { on the same line
 
okay, wut
@TrevorHickey ???? you can also do that on the first line
@Blob the { will be on the same line as the initialized variables.
there is exactly no difference
 
any()
: data(nullptr)
, foo(0)
, bar(0)
{}
or you know, it doesn't matter.
 
3:37 AM
@TrevorHickey thanks trevor, cheers hands you a shot of captn morgen
 
not sure if sarcastic because I'm already drunk
 
@TrevorHickey me too brah, me too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey :)
 
thanks how you start a weekend :)
that's**
hi alien guy that's always in here and does crazy template shit all the time i think
 
3:39 AM
Knowing you have a free week ahead is so refreshing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hi you bastard gives you a noogie
 
Also, I dunno what I'm doing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whatcha got planned this weekend?
 
full week?
explain yourself
 
I took a week off. Very simple.
 
3:41 AM
OK. THE DETAILS CHECK OUT
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thumbs up
 
std::get_money
 
money.get()
 
std::put_money(bank);
 
4:00 AM
You would think doves are dumb. But they are not - a dove saw there were chickens in the backyard the first day I got my 1st bunch of chickens & came down for the free chicken feed. Those doves has been coming back stealing the chicken feed everyday!
Doves knew where they were free range backyard chickens, there were free food to steal
 
If I have a = x * (b % k) ^ b, (^ being xor) can I solve for b in terms of a, x, and k?
 
Man. I met this really nice girl tonight and we were hanging out till now. Turns out she has a child :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Deal breaker?
 
It implies marriage bub.
 
4:08 AM
Nah.
She's single.
 
@Rapptz Could be a single mother
 
I know the possibility is there.
But usually when you see someone with a child you don't assume it's a single parent.
 
Unless she was lying she's single.
 
Also a possibility.
 
then why not lie about the child too
 
4:09 AM
Yep
(Wow, just agreed with telkitty)
 
To see if he would be taken back by the news of someone having a child.
Though that's rather finicky.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Une fois n'est pas coutume.
 
This is making me seem like I think everyone is a liar lol
I just entertain all possibilities in my mind. Promise.
 
@Rapptz You don't?
 
You're so cynical.
But I like you just like that.
 
4:12 AM
The lying scenario is quite unlikely.
 
My brother once had a short relationship with a single mother.
 
There's no motivation to lie about one of those aspects but not the other.
 
weird, one of my chickens chased a noisy miner bird away, but the dove was nearer to it in the past half an hour & the chicken did nothing, even when the dove was stealing its food
 
I also have a friend who is in this situation.
 
I've been lied to enough times to know that isn't true.
 
4:13 AM
Teenage pregnancies in both cases.
 
inb4 cynic
 
Well, if she lied I am even less interested.
 
She probably didn't.
 
^ i would be as well
 
3 mins ago, by Rapptz
I just entertain all possibilities in my mind. Promise.
scenarios aside, is her having a kid an issue?
 
4:16 AM
Yes.
 
Figured. It'd be an issue with me too :p
 
what if she has a dog, is it an issue?
 
There's a difference between a dog and a child.
I'm sure you knew that though.
 
@Rapptz why do you even bother
 
@Rapptz It's Telkitty we're talking about.
 
4:18 AM
shes just trolling you
 
I know she is.
Speaking of children.
 
One just died in this anime I'm watching.
 
Yeah trololol coz I am bored
 
I just finished playing Majora's Mask.
A few children die in that game.
 
4:22 AM
My friend told me to count deaths in this anime.
So I've been counting since ep 1.
It's actually kinda fun.
 
how morbid
 
What's the anime?
 
Parasyte
 
Ah, the girl.
 
Oh, I remember reading a few chapters of the manga.
 
4:22 AM
That was a good anime.
 
It was gory was shit.
 
Yeah it kinda is.
 
I mean, it works considering it's technically horror, but still.
 
I saw that as a genre. Not really seeing it.
 
TV anime is never very gory though.
 
4:24 AM
It's pretty gory
I don't think this is tv tokyo though
 
Attack on Titan was too.
 
@Borgleader Well, not for being friends, I guess.
 
At least the MC is getting his ass kicked.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd never be friends with a person that has a kid.
 
you are a horrible person
 
4:35 AM
I suck at taking out the garbage.
It keeps heaping up.
 
@StackedCrooked design garbage that handles its own destruction
 
I'm not @rightfold.
 
does it take a rightfold to raii?
 
My garbage decomposes very slowly.
 
off 2 deposit ca$h, coz I forgot to leave enough for the annual mortage package fee in savers account & testing my 1.5 year old new android app on the train
 
What's weird is that I'm not sleepy.
 
It's only 1 AM
 
Same time zone, nice.
 
When will these cliffhangers end
 
5:15 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So?
 
5:30 AM
[{"title":"test questions ?","opttype":1,"option":["test1","test2","test3","test4"]},{"title":"test questions1?","opttype":1,"option":["test msg1","test msg2","test msg3","test msg4"]},{"title":"test questions 2?","opttype":2,"option":["test 23","test 255","test 2555","test 25555"]},{"title":"input test?","opttype":3,"option":[]}]
how i read json data in c#
?
 
Why did you figure that the C++ room was the best place for this?
 
5:52 AM
Damn my android app is not very responsive.
 
@kathir Ask your question on the real StackOverflow or in the C# chat room, not here.
 
6:14 AM
It's hard to keep count now.
This massacre is too big.
 
@Rapptz Attack on Titan?
 
No.
SnK sucks.
plus I'm pretty sure I could count the deaths there fairly easily
 
What show, again?
 
@Rapptz reminds me of Animorphs
 
6:35 AM
I hated animorphs lol
those books were so lame
 
I loved them
I read them a lot in elementary school
That and An Unfortunate Series of Events
 
Xeo
6:54 AM
mornin
 
Evening
 
the afternoon is almost over, the sky is taken over by the dark rain cloud & evening
 
Xeo
@Rapptz btw, watched Patema Inverted yet?
 
7:10 AM
@fredo interesting. Maybe<@rightfold>
 
@Xeo it's rly gud
 
fredo is a frog prince?
 
7:31 AM
Thank you. While I agree with your comment on new and delete, I'm working on an application that was tested to work three times slower when the reference counted boost pointer containers were used instead of a simple array. Some of us have to take necessary risks with memory management just for the sake of efficiency. — Nav 3 hours ago
Beautiful
 
He's right about reference counting overhead. But whether or not it warrants falling to raw pointers is a different issues.
 
Xeo
@ScarletAmaranth I loved it
@Mysticial So, watcha doing now?
 
@Xeo Packing up shit like fuck.
 
Xeo
I meant in broader terms :P
 
Tomorrow I ship a ton of stuff to my friend in Chicago.
Oh, I'm moving to Chicago.
 
Xeo
7:44 AM
how come?
 
You didn't know?
I got poached from Google.
Today was my last day. And I fly out on Monday.
 
user1804599
Hello.
 
Ven
hi
it should be illegal to have school on saturdays/sundays
especially after a night of drinking...
 
user1804599
no
 
user1804599
that's the school's own business
 
Ven
7:56 AM
actually it's illegal to have school on sundays in france, but my school doesn't give a fuck
 
user1804599
if the students don't like it they can go to a different school
 
user1804599
it's called competition
 
@Mysticial you moved to another company?
 
Ven
there's no other school I can join that's free for what I want to do.
 
@StackedCrooked mov(ing)
I still have 2 weeks before I start at the new job.
But in that two weeks, I need to find an apartment, move and settle in.
 
7:59 AM
Alright. I finished Parasyte.
 
Ven
@Mysticial which country?
 
US
Chicago
 
@Rapptz Marathoned it?
 

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