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2:00 PM
std::basic_streambuf::pubimbue
 
WoW is not a good MMO :v
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes pubimbue!
 
tbh I only got Destiny because it came with the nice looking white PS4
 
It's a MMO that shipped with little to no content (again, probably because they want to sell it to you later).
 
but now I have buyer's remorse.
 
2:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus thanks for your review.
 
lol
WOW ALERT
 
@Rapptz Should have asked me. If I, the Guy Who Likes 90% Of Games, tells you it's shit, then it probably is shit.
 
it has nice graphics
it must be good
 
@CatPlusPlus It's actually as good as MMOs are gonna get.
 
No
GW2 is way closer to that
And also that's not true
 
2:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus Which is why it's amazing that everybody else seems to love "WoW but worse and free-to-play" as a business model
 
@CatPlusPlus SANTA DOES EXIST
 
Also in sandbox MMOs EVE is still the king
 
@CatPlusPlus my toys are the best
 
@Puppy At least F2P means the sunk cost fallacy doesn't hit as hard.
 
@Puppy Yeh, lazy design
 
2:02 PM
at least I'll have SSB 3DS in 2 weeks
 
I've seen so many literal reskins of WoW in these games it's not even funny
 
You know, I was all like "Meh, all consoles suck this generation", but now I'm thinking about getting a Wii U.
Probably next year though when Zelda hits shelves.
 
just buy a few indie games on Steam and you'll get over that urge quickly
and for far less
 
:lol: nintendo
 
@EtiennedeMartel Doesn't hit who?
 
2:03 PM
I won't stop laughing at this.
 
I could get a WiiU
 
i know you could
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, but you're always wrong about everything.
 
it has mario
 
I have more games I want to get for the Wii U than PS4 atm.
 
2:03 PM
You're like modern day Aristotle.
 
lol
Wii U could be literally a piece of cardboard with mario slapped on it and people would still buy it
 
At least I'll get LittleBigPlanet 3 soon™
 
@Rapptz Most good games on the PS4 are on PS3 as well under a different name.
 
Fuck games, it's in multiplayer
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah the PS4 game lineup atm is pretty bad.
 
2:04 PM
The pad-on-couch I can do with a PC
 
God bless lack of backward compatibility for now I can buy the same game twice.
@Rapptz It was a slow launch.
 
@CatPlusPlus we play couch coop regularly in our flat
 
The Wii U was too
 
testing p much everything we can
 
I don't get why people criticised the Wii U launch but not PS4
 
2:05 PM
PC remains the platform of choice
 
Well, I do. People just like to rag on Nintendo.
 
nah
 
And full body motion control is not a gimmick for me either
WiiU falls somewhere in between
 
yeah I don't get why people rag on nintendo it has mario
 
it's because at least with the PS4, you have a control scheme you know developers can make work.
 
2:05 PM
I'll probably never get XB or PS
 
I have never owned a gaming console.
 
@Puppy lol
 
Nintendo consoles have good games you can't get elsewhere.
 
with the Wii U, I guess I just don't know if anyone can make that tablet... thing work
 
I had a knockoff of a knockoff of NES
Like, literally
 
2:06 PM
console wars are stupid, but even in their stupidity they are wars between iterations of PS and XB
 
@Puppy Use your imagination m8.
 
I like that PS4 uses FreeBSD for its OS. :)
 
nintendo is something completely different
I actually have no idea what it is
 
@Rapptz That's the job of developers, not players :P
 
apparently it's a thing to some people because mario
 
2:07 PM
@Puppy You can always just plug a GameCube controller on there and play Smash.
 
@Rapptz your what again
 
@BartekBanachewicz And Zelda. And Metroid. And Star Fox.
 
ok, from a more personal perspective, I never found that to be terrifically compelling.
 
What's funny is that I'd rather get old consoles than newest ones
 
@EtiennedeMartel :words: :names:
 
2:08 PM
Smash was kinda fun for a short while and then it was pretty much just done.
 
Seriously, saying you don't understand why people like Mario is like saying you don't understand how Microsoft can spend 2.5 G$ for Minecraft.
 
because they're dumb and desperate.
I don't think it really makes sense for them.
 
I'd play some Mario
 
Can't play DF on a Wii. Nintendo sucks.
2
 
@Puppy No, because they want a share in your kids.
 
2:08 PM
Bartek likes WoW so his opinions on games don't count
 
@CatPlusPlus next thing we see you at comic chan cosplaying a furry
 
You're a furry, go vote
 
Every single child under 13 plays Minecraft these days. If Microsoft can get that, they can start grabbing their attention early and attract them to Microsoft products and services when they get older.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, that ship's sailed w.r.t. Minecraft. Maybe if they'd had a Microsoft logo on it before it became a huge thing. Nobody's gonna think of Microsoft when they think of Minecraft just because Microsoft bought it under the fact.
and secondly
in order to capitalize on a share in (not literally) my kids, they'd have to actually make games again.
 
6 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
You're like modern day Aristotle.
 
2:10 PM
They're making consoles
 
@CatPlusPlus done.
Now stop fucking around nintendo it's contagious
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Give me gran turismo 7 on Wii and I'll buy it
 
I wonder if you could play DF through hacking on any console.
 
I don't think there exists a console capable of running DF
 
2:11 PM
Yeah me too.
 
IYAM
the best thing Microsoft could do is just partner with Valve and put Steam on XB1 and sell cross-licences.
 
@CatPlusPlus you'd need to add tips and tutorial
 
it would be far more compelling to buy an XB1 if I could play KSP on it for free.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I mean hardware-wise
 
@Puppy no because Steam OS
@CatPlusPlus what's hardware specific in it?
 
2:12 PM
The requirements
 
@Puppy then go work for Microsoft as the guy who makes those decisions.
 
wouldn't mind if i did
 
SteamOS is a really nice idea
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's one of the most hardware-intensive games you'll find.
 
nah
 
2:12 PM
@Rapptz makes total sense. Do you have a good source for this information?
 
SteamOS is, I feel, probably going to be dead in the water.
I doubt Valve will make much headway with it
 
@sehe Years of browsing forums.
 
Hey guys!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why hasn't anyone rewritten it yet then? is it so complicated?
 
Hello
 
2:13 PM
> Custom 1.75 GHz AMD 8 core
Yeah XBone won't run it
 
@Rapptz No bias at all
 
@BartekBanachewicz Have you ever played it? Have you ever heard anyone telling stories about their games?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've heard it crashes sometimes
I haven't played admittedly
 
It's a messy clusterfuck that tries to simulate way too many things.
(That's part of why I like it)
 
@sehe Ask anyone else who browses gaming forums like @EtiennedeMartel
 
2:14 PM
I see.
@Rapptz s/likes to browse.*/is totally fucking brainwashed/
 
Actually it depends on where you like to hang out.
Reddit and 4chan has a well known anti-Nintendo bias, but then again they're also elitists who think that "hardcore" gaming is the only true form of gaming.
 
I suppose gaming forums are even worse than gamedev.se
 
> reddit and 4chan, internet authorities
lmao
 
Lots of Nintendo fans like to hang out on the comments of Polygon.
 
2:15 PM
nerds.
 
Comments on any site are bad.
 
I don't read them
 
this room is full of comments
 
I used to read IGN comments but decided it wasn't worth the eye cancer.
 
2:16 PM
Which shows because Polygon's anti-Nintendo editorial stance shows in most of their articles, and there's always a legion of Nintendo fans to show them up in the comments.
 
what maximum line length do you guys use, if any at all, and why?
 
The best way I can think to do this is to extend your type with logic variables and then unify instead of check equality. It's a powerful technique, but a bit non-trivial. If you build your type as a fixed point over a functor then it ought to relatively easy to slide the logic variables in. — J. Abrahamson 17 mins ago
> a bit non-trivial
 
@nightcracker 80
 
> you need to study it for 20 years in Shaolin
 
@nightcracker I use line length 123: it's the height in meters of Antwerp's cathedral tower
 
2:17 PM
@VáclavZeman and why
 
because longer lines are harder to read geez
 
@nightcracker Because. Tradition, it is usually enough. Prevents excessive nesting.
 
I thought we solved that problem in 1965
 
@rubenvb why not mini inches divided by pi?
 
80 columns is the worst
 
2:17 PM
100-120 is reasonable
 
80 columns is nice.
 
80 is too short and hinders readability. I agree with Barted.
 
I use 125.
 
@nightcracker Not in code. I reformat all my Markdown blog posts down to 80 because reading long lines of text is unpleasant. (And when I say "I reformat", I mean it just flows like that naturally in vim)
 
PS4 won't run DF either
 
2:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ugh I have automatic textwrap off
 
@BartekBanachewicz @$JOB, we have changed policy to 100 columns recently.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use map Q gqap
 
@nightcracker Again, I don't use any limit in code. Only in actual text.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use it for comments though
 
With 80 columns you either have most of your code spread over multiple lines, or have horribly short variable and class names to compensate for the missing horizontal space.
 
2:18 PM
You can't fit a single java name on a single line that's why
 
I don't really care between 100/120
 
Not if you use Perl. :D
 
I use around dunno 170
 
but 80 is always too short imo
 
I can fit around 200 on screen
 
2:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus side by side tho
 
I think I cannot fit 100 columns with the usual font in two side by side windows. So, it is suboptimal.
 
I think if you have problems with line length in code, the length is just a symptom, not the problem vOv
 
thing is: having a side by side view of code is handy sometimes, and then horizontal length will start to play a role.
 
@VáclavZeman you use a 800x600 monitor?
 
Meh, I rarely use side-by-side
Diffs I prefer inline
 
2:20 PM
I prefer inline diffs too, but I still keep something side by side
 
And for merging I have the result at full-width and splits above that
 
like test code or something
 
I don't
Full width or bust
 
damn it's 4pm and I'm off already
I mean I don't want to work
I have to fix this turnip test and I don't know how
 
@nightcracker Yeah, I sometimes gq comments too.
 
2:21 PM
@nightcracker I have only 19 inch LCD at $HOME.
 
@VáclavZeman inches are irrelevant, resolution matters
 
you don't have to prepend the stuff you write with dollar signs hth
@nightcracker that's what she said
Also good look fitting more than one window on 12.5"
 
this is my vim 1920x1080 on windows
 
lol 12
 
@CatPlusPlus that's my laptop
 
2:22 PM
Good look doing anything on 12.5"
I can't work with less than 19
 
@CatPlusPlus you can fit one single window of code
 
I use two 22" now
 
I use three 24"
 
@BartekBanachewicz It does not help! :)
 
Fuck working on tiny screens
 
2:23 PM
or my 12.5" laptop
 
why do you guys all have enormous multiple penises
 
shut up robor
 
btw, I really really like the monaco font on linux/mac
but I can't seem to find a version that's not severely fucked up by cleartype
does anyone know a windows version?
 
I use Consolas vOv
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I got two 24"
 
2:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I do too, on windows, but I prefer monaco
 
also maybe I'm weird but I don't care about the font that much
I'm just used to Consolas and it works everywhere so there.
 
@BartekBanachewicz arial masterrace
or comic sans
 
Comic Sans
<3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
2:26 PM
@nightcracker for code or interface?
 
@nightcracker My screen is 19 inch, 1680×1050, 16:10 screen. With reasonable font, I do not fit more than 90 columns there, I think. I will have to recheck @$HOME (<--@BartekBanachewicz)
 
@nightcracker monospace
 
haha 1680
 
@rubenvb code and terminal
 
RIP Pawnguy
He used to use Comic Sans for coding unironically.
 
2:26 PM
@Rapptz :(
 
oh yea Pawnguy
 
@BartekBanachewicz some people swear by variably spaced fonts
 
who's pawnguy
 
could we reach out to him
 
2:27 PM
how?
 
@nightcracker some people eat shit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz how do YOU know?
 
@TonyTheLion dunno. use your reddit/4chan powers
@nightcracker #nohomo
 
Also Robot everybody voted
 
@nightcracker He reads letters?
 
2:27 PM
let's change the topic shall we
 
@BartekBanachewicz #fullhomoandyouknowit
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
like my code doesn't work
 
2:28 PM
That looks horrible
 
@BartekBanachewicz same here
 
and every answer I get is "use magic level 7"
 
Jul 9 '13 at 1:49, by Pawnguy7
user image
never forget
2
 
2:28 PM
but I can't build that .... USE MAGIC
but... MORE MAGIC
 
@rubenvb is that monaco?
 
@nightcracker yeah.
 
@rubenvb told you it's bad on windows :P
 
Rendered in Qt4 Qt Creator.
On Linux.
In KDE4.
 
hmm
hold on booting up vm
 
2:30 PM
lol
I like the DejaVu Mono and LIbertine Mono stuff.
 
@rubenvb DejaVu Sans Mono is what I use almost everywhere.
I find Consolas rarther less appealing.
 
Consolas is MS yuck :-p
 
LOL
took me a while to realize I booted the wrong vm
 
No, Dejavu and Libertine are easier on the eyes generally.
 
I use Inconsolata LGC. github.com/MihailJP/Inconsolata-LGC
 
2:33 PM
@Rapptz ugh mimetype enum
 
On Linux anyway
On Windows I use Consolas.
 
sigh
life's hard
so @CatPlusPlus would I be able to traverse my nested data using syb?
 
That's what it's for
 
@CatPlusPlus is there any tutorial for dummies for that thing
 
2:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Alright, you robotic wanker, it's "Dick vs Strudwick". Am I going to stop feeling compelled to watch this show after I finish this episode?
 
On the fonts again...
 
> nuclear plants for dummies
> haskell generics for dummies
 
What serif font do you like?
I love Georgia!
 
@VáclavZeman Arno
 
@Puppy lol, no.
@VáclavZeman None.
I set my browser serif font settings to a sans font.
 
2:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Unbiased (adj.) Consistent with my biases.
 
Great, now Stackoverflow code is rendered in Monaco.
 
And you browse the resulting JPEGs via Tor?
 
@rubenvb And... what was rendered in before?
 
// not this
// I promise
 
2:40 PM
@Jefffrey Huh, Firefox says Bitstream Vera Sans Mono.
 
@rubenvb I don't see any changes tbh.
 
@Rapptz that's funny. Cause 1 column is clearly the worst
He reconfigured the borwser
 
I installed a font
 
ok it took a while
because I hadn't installed mono on my VM yet
@rubenvb but this is what my vim looks like with monaco on linux: i.imgur.com/0J8z0FH.png
@rubenvb so your qt doesn't have aliasing or something
or you installed a wrong monaco
 
> Looking for Back End Developers - who will work with PHP and Python
 
2:49 PM
@nightcracker Or he uses CRT monitor and does not need anti-aliasing?
 
oauch
 
PHP backend - love it and hate yourself
 
@VáclavZeman No such thing.
The difference with LCDs is subpixel rendering.
 
meh
 
Aliased text looks ugly everywhere.
 
2:52 PM
stupid reddit
can only submit 1 spammer every 10 minutes
so annoying
 
wait
wtf is ideation
 
The ugly is a property of having a raster grid, not a property of the display hardware.
 
@Rapptz Don't want you to be able to spam it >.>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes patent the vector graphics display, ???, get rich
 
@SamDeHaan I can mark literally 200 things as spam in the modqueue in one click but reporting a spammer is limited lol
 
2:56 PM
@Rapptz I think that's because spammers are handled by paid reddit admins, and they don't like being overloaded with bogy reports by stupid people?
I'd implement a system where your cap goes up by a bit everytime you succesfully reported a spammer, but who am I?
 
lol - 'Since Win 8.1 reimagining happens to me nearly every week' :)
 
reimagining
 
I'm not sure that 'reimagining' is an error:)
 
is that like, inventing the wheel, then forgetting it because you got braincancer from windows, then inventing it again?
 
Xeo
Meh, people suck
 
2:58 PM
@Xeo From birth!
 
@Xeo it is well established that adult straight/bi females and gay/bi males do, indeed
 
@nightcracker Sorry, but no--I don't love a PHP backend [NSFW?] at all.
 
@nightcracker I guess that when you pay your $145, you imagine you are getting an OS. When you reload it every week, you reimagine it will fix the problem:)
 
@MartinJames can't remember ever paying
 
sputn : invokes xsputn()
 
2:59 PM
@nightcracker And straight men as well.
 
@nightcracker It's a stealth OS.
 

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