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cpx
5:00 PM
hmm
 
@bamboon Here, have a few upvotes
 
@bamboon 150 means you did something to be involved, so you know how asking and answering works. So they're hoping you at least know how moderation will benefit the site.
 
user784668
150 can be gained in one single day.
 
@bamboon It means, what do you do when the community as a whole fails to resolve a problem. You call on a more respected member of the community to resolve the debate, or address issues faster.
 
@Xaade yeah, but from my very small experience it works fine the way it is
 
5:02 PM
ah the girl is on the front
 
@DeadMG that seriously wouldnt have been necessary, I dont know who to vote anyway. but thanks
 
so what, it's not like it costs me much to vote
 
lol
it costs your mouse 1/1000000th of lifetime
 
and 1 J of energy
 
^^
why do you guys hat genesis so much?
 
5:06 PM
basically, because he's a giant prick
 
user784668
Hat?
 
he came in here and started spamming flags all over the place and getting users suspended because the flag system sucks
 
@Fanael hate
 
user784668
@vivek That's a different thing.
 
5:08 PM
perhaps the flags were deserved?
what did he flag?
 
anything with the word "fuck" in it
and then he searched the room's history for more things to flag that had "fuck" in them
going back months
 
i think that's fine
"fuck" is not a word to be tolerated
 
user784668
You just said it twice.
 
in here, we do
 
then in here, flags are to be spreaded
 
5:10 PM
what? seriously in which world do you live?
 
we say fuck as much as we fucking want, and it's nobody's business to tell us what language we can and cannot use amongst ourselves
 
thats just our culture
 
user784668
@DeadMG +1
 
sbi
@bamboon See the beginning of this answer for an explanation. But it seems we're not the only ones he's rubbed the wrong way.
 
5:11 PM
and more importantly, going back and searching the history for it just so he can flag more?
 
we tell you what you don't say and if you abuse the chat you will be flagged
 
he didn't just flag some guy going "fuck you"
he flagged each and every use he could possibly find
@bamboon No, that's U.S. hyper-sensitive culture.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb While I disagree with that, it doesn't matter in this case, because he had flagged messages like yours.
 
but we're European, almost entirely, and we can tolerate some naughty words
 
5:12 PM
it's only words
 
"storms into the room, actively searches the room's history for words and phrases he finds offensive and then goes on a rampage flagging a bunch of old messages." that alone isn't necessarily bad
if those messages are actually offensive
 
they're not
"contains the word "fuck"" is a totally different test to "actually offensive"
2
 
well if he would flag your last message then it is really dumb
 
in my eyes offensive is, if I insult somebody, handicapped for example, for him being like that
 
it's not about what any individual person finds offensive
 
5:14 PM
yes it is
 
fucking is synonym for very
 
in general, we, the regulars of the C++ lounge, do not frown upon "fuck"
 
of course
 
offensive is subjective
 
you guys make the rules
 
if you yourself would not find it offensive perhaps you would not have sent it
 
well, I probably don't mind using the word "fuck" because I say it and other people don't get offended, and when other people say it, I don't get offended
and I'm not going to micromanage every exception to that rule
 
fuck that shit
 
user784668
@sbi They should!
 
I just cant stand people who think they are so elitist and go crazy about curse words
 
5:16 PM
it seems to be an American thing
 
user784668
Everyone should be blocked!
 
as usual, they go batshit crazy over stuff the rest of us got over fifty years ago
 
@DeadMG haha yeah
 
and, in general, act like morons
 
sbi
5:17 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Welcome to SO, where the boss himself censors even discussions about the word.
 
@DeadMG that's racist
 
@JohannesSchaublitb - it might be a prejudice against a culture/nation, but I don't think it's a race
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I agree about "fk" but "racist" ..?! No .. That's not racist
 
now, racism comes into play. gets interesting
 
actually
 
Als
5:19 PM
Racism and Fuck seem to be the order of the day.
 
user784668
Oh fuck.
 
ok then it's culturcist
 
I prefer to think of it as a fact
even the Roman Empire had public health
 
Als
@DeadMG: Pup, I just noticed you been fucking a lot today :P
 
@DeadMG like that atitude
 
5:20 PM
@Als I have not been fucking a lot at all
I have merely responded to the question as to why we hate genesis so much
to which "fuck" is completely and totally relevant
you moronic fuck :P
 
user784668
Fucking is a village in Austria.
 
Als
@DeadMG: Oh fuck! Genesis :P
 
@Fanael true
 
Als
@DeadMG: You are fucking right
;)
 
@Als How's your stomach ? (though I'm late to ask )
 
5:21 PM
as per usual :D
 
perhaps Genesis is just stumped because he has never done it
 
so here's a grammatical question
 
Als
@vivek: Better...but seems not normal...I should go see a doctor..looks like my eating habits :(
 
should I allow expression++++;?
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: done what? fuck? lol
 
sbi
5:22 PM
@Fanael Basically, "everybody blocked" was the state of the chat before the chat was created. If it went back to that state, I would miss it. If you wouldn't, then what are you doing here?
And to add my ā‚¬0.2 to this fucking discussion: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/24079/…
 
Als
@awoodland: You have a good standing in the primary.
 
@Als hopefully, it's not a parasite thing. they can be very troublesome
 
Als
You are going to the next round I think.
 
@Als - it's better than I expected. I don't think I'll be finishing top 4 somehow though
 
Als
@vivek: Yeah, looks like something needs to be fixed!
 
5:24 PM
i vote for awoodland now,
 
user784668
@sbi Don't know, really.
 
user784668
I just have too much time so I have to waste it somewhere.
 
I had sort of assumed that very low comment activity on my nomination was a bad thing
 
200 now
 
Als
5:25 PM
@awoodland: The C++ tag is a popular one
You are kindof uncontroversial candidate
@DeadMG: You didn't contest this time? :P
@TonyTheLion: Lion! fuckin Lion! How have you been? long time eh..
 
im c++'s troll monster
 
I'm good
been occupied with things
mainly finding a job
 
contest what?
 
Als
@TonyTheLion: And reddit!
@DeadMG: elections!
 
no
 
5:28 PM
ive got a cold -.- so i was at home all day
 
@Als oh yea and reddit! hahah, forgot you get to spy on me through FB
 
Als
:P
 
FB == FunkyBoys ?
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: Fan Boys
Funny Boys
 
Als
5:30 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb: If you would contest elections, You would win. Even if you may/may not be mod material :P
 
hmm
i doubt
sbi would add a comment "this guy has shown to be premature and troll" and then people would +1 sbi's comment and downvote me xD
 
Als
You are c++ tags golden boy
You got an edge :P
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Did I ever mention that I might have overreacted a bit back then? Or did you have me blocked and didn't see it?
 
@sbi no i appreciated it
i'm aware we are in love again.
 
sbi
5:33 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Now that's a very krüptik answer.
 
Als
oh..Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
 
but you may still tell people the truth about me
 
Als
Place your bets people!
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb As if whatever I say is the truth.
 
5:34 PM
I remember that fight, was a bloody one
 
it was one with naked bodies!
 
twenty bucks on sbi
 
19.95 bucks on Johannes
 
i start with 1 bucks on SO.
 
sbi
FWIW, I don't think you're moderator material @Johannes, what with you pranking all the time. But then it's not as if that would be a bad thing to say about someone. I don't consider myself moderator material either.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Great. Can I send you my IBAN info?
 
Als
Okay here are the house rates 1.5 for the baboon 0.75 for the Golden Boy.
 
sure
by the way, I have a Nigerian Prince here who wants those info so he can wire you £2,500,000. I'll just send them on to him as well
 
sbi
@Als Baboon??
 
Als
oops....Ape...what err....what was the name b.....?
 
sbi
5:39 PM
@DeadMG I'm not sure if I'm meant to unveil that for you, but your Nigerian prince is a fake. I know, because I got mails from the real one, and he told me all about it.
 
@Als Apes are much more intelligent than monkeys.Don't insult them
 
lol
 
sbi
@Als Just be glad the Librarian didn't see that. He'd have unscrewed your head by now.
 
Als
lol
 
didn't you watch the movie Rise of the planet of Monkeys
 
Als
5:40 PM
wheres the bot? I saw he registered himself for townhall!
lol
 
Apes, I mean
 
Als
@vivek: I saw the first part and survived it only because of that chick.
 
@Als There was a chick !? I totally missed her
 
cue @Tony to enter
 
Als
5:42 PM
 
entered...
 
Als
@vivek: Rings bells?
 
@DeadMG People generally act like morons.
 
Als
@TonyTheLion: Has sex been discussed here lately?
 
5:43 PM
hotty xD
 
And there's some things Europeans tolerate that is questionable. However, tolerate legally and tolerate personally is two different things.
 
@Als yep, me and @DeadMG talked about WTF type sex toys yesterday, I think
 
Als
uhm..
 
lol yes, don't ask
 
5:44 PM
@Als Yes,
 
Als
She was running all over the monkey planet in planet of Apes
And that is the only reason I survived the movie
 
sbi
@Als What's that townhall thing anyway? I saw it mentioned a few times, but it failed to register.
 
Als
@TonyTheLion: The pup seems to be actively talking about sex these days, reached puberty has he? :P
 
hey
 
@Als he's replacing me, while I'm not here
 
5:45 PM
some other guy linked me to Cracked
it's not my fault
 
Do I think certain sexual preferences are detrimental to the health of society? Yes I do, and I don't apologize for that. Do I think legal marriage issues are something to be bothered with? Not really. IMO, remove the term marriage and there's no sanctity of concept in the legal realm anymore. Remove the concept of legal unions, and let anyone who's on a living will visit a terminal patient.
 
@Als I was only 10 when that movie came out, don't remember much :P
 
Als
@vivek: WTF...you Kid!
@sbi: "In connection with the moderator elections, we will be holding a Town Hall Chat session with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is completely voluntary. I am working with the candidates to find a time that allows the most participation."
 
5:46 PM
@Als: Virtually anyone is younger than you, old man
 
@Als no anymore...I'm 20 now
 
sbi
@DeadMG Huh?
 
Als
@DeadMG: Virtually Yes! not really!
 
sbi
@Als Thanks!
 
Als
@DeadMG: You made him @sbi angry, You stole his seniority!
 
sbi
5:50 PM
"Maderator", what a wonderful Freudian slip!
 
Als
pretty eh
And hot!
 
@sbi I'm going in there just to ask if any of them have experience with BrainFuck.
@Als NSFW!
 
sbi
@Xaade ROTFL! Please don't fail to link to my answer.
 
@Xaade quick, flag it
 
5:55 PM
If you have anything questionable as NSFW, please post as link. Thanks!
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@Xaade ppl in here don't care about your Job, THX
 
Seriously, I could care less about language. But poster sized pics won't help when I explain I'm in here discussing answers and solutions.
 
sbi
Concurrency and Parallelism panel at C++ and Beyond 2011: http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/CB-2011-Panel-Herb-Sutter-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Scott-Meyers-Concurrency-and-Parallelism
 
@Als Als ! How can you show me such HOT pics, I'm so young :P
 
@Xaade ppl told me I shall not be on here during my work
 
sbi
6:02 PM
@Xaade Basically, I agree with that, though grudgingly.
The other day my teenage daughter looked over my shoulder, and someone posted such a pic. She was a bit baffled about me being somewhere on the net where they post pictures of young girls too poor to buy their clothes, so I had to explain to her that the C++ chat is full of young, horny males, and that nothing will stop them from discussing sex and posting pictures. Sigh. I hope she understood. I am divorced from her mother, and such issues can bring up all kinds of trouble...
Oh, that and I really, really, really don't like to watch 24 year old girls that are setup to seduce. I am passed that age where all you value is firm breasts.
 
@sbi LOL .. My roommate thought I was on some porn chat
when he saw this
 
Als
I am passed that age where all you value is firm breasts. Darn, We are just about to enter that age!
 
sbi
Nov 6 at 11:21, by sbi
There are way more important features in a girl than the makeup of her outer shell.
 
Als
@vivek: You are 20. You are old enough to have sex if you choose to and not being branded as getting raped/
@sbi: Such as?
Because right now all we can think of is the mammaries!
 
sbi
@Als I refuse to take that bait.
 
Als
6:09 PM
haha
 
sbi
@Als Then nothing I can say will help.
 
Als
@sbi: I do understand the problem with inline pics. Why not add a guideline to the newbie FAQS which says to post images just paste link to the image instead of posting it inline, whoever wants to can click and see it.
 
why does this code works-> ideone.com/3p6u9 , since i provided size_t as dd.length() which crosses the dd string length from pos 5 ?
overload which i am using string& insert ( size_t pos1, const string& str, size_t pos2, size_t n );
 
sbi
@Als Because here it's not the newbies who post nudies?
 
Als
hmmmmmmm
@sbi: Ofcourse, Regulars could be told of the same.
 
sbi
6:15 PM
@Als So go and tell @Als. He just did it, after all.
 
Als
@sbi: What did he do?
ah okay noticed.
wtf.
What is a good reference on Smart Pointers and their semantics other than Andrei's chapter?
 
sbi
@Als Look at the paragraph directly above this one. I added something about NSFW to it.
 
@MrAnubis I don't see why that shouldn't work
 
@Als Do you want "how they're implemented" or "how to use them?"
 
Als
@awoodland: How to use them..
@sbi: One Boxed...naked Images :P
 
sbi
@Als I'm sure the latest edition of The C++ Programming Language will discuss them (but I haven't checked). Also, Effective C++ (3rd) has item 17, but offhand I dunno how extensive that is.
 
(but pretty good still)
 
sbi
@Als The newbie hints explain what oneboxing means.
 
Als
I was looking more of for scoped, shared, unique, weal ptrs and so on..
@FredOverflow: nice
 
6:24 PM
@vivek size_t == dd.length() here which is 9 , and i provided pos2 as dd.find("F") which is 4 , and str to be inserted is dd (goodFella) -> good*Fella.... <-the string from star point should be of lenth 9 , isn't the case?
 
sbi
6 hours ago, by sbi
@Fred: I finally took the time to change that blog posting to forward to the new video list on the wiki.
 
@sbi nice
Do you think an introductory C++ book should teach '\n' or std::endl first?
 
Als
\n
 
@MrAnubis it takes less than n if the end of str is reached before
 
who uses \n beside in a text?
 
6:30 PM
though I still don't understand your problem
 
@vivek aah , i thought that would result in undefined behavior
 
@FredOverflow is it "my first programming ever?" or "C++ for people who are already familiar with programming?"
 
Als
@FredOverflow: \n because std::endl would need you to dive in manipulators.
 
@awoodland the former
 
@FredOverflow in that case I'd go with \n almost certainly
 
6:32 PM
it's cold
and I'd go with std::endl
you don't want your poor programmers to get no output when they expect it because you didn't flush the buffer
 
\n
 
and you also don't want to teach them ascii and escape codes if you can avoid it
 
Als
Well Are you going to jump into manipulators at "Hello World"?
 
eh, nobody jumps into ADL at "Hello World" either, but that doesn't mean you can't use it
 
@DeadMG they have to know it someday, how long can you protect them
 
6:34 PM
for as long as you can
 
Als
@DeadMG: The Q asked teach not use
 
do you teach them to use
not "Do you teach them in excruciating detail"#
 
Als
Disagree
 
You don't have to know about manipulators to do std::cout << std::endl;
 
Als
They are going to lose interest if theres no detail
 
6:36 PM
there will be plenty- just not focused on this individual topic
 
i think they are going to lose intereset if it doesnt work
 
sbi
@bamboon Who uses std::endl except when they really want to flush a stream? And when do you need that??
 
Als
Anyhow Me ain't a teacher so I leave it to the ones who have taught.
 
also, "\n" is much shorter than std::endl
I have never used the later
 
wtf kind of argument is that?
 
6:37 PM
@sbi my question was not sarcastical, I was really asking but I always read std::endl and never \n
 
I could post scientific papers containing "Your mother." as their whole content and claim it proves I can travel in time
sure, it'd be shorter, but I don't think that'd be helpful
 
Als
and how would u explain that without details?
 
sbi
@Als That's one thing Koenig/moo have taught us: You can use stuff (std::vector<std::string>) before you can read its implementation.
 
Als
details which you don't want to get in to at "Hello World"
 
@DeadMG that was not an argument but a benefit of using \n
 
sbi
6:39 PM
@bamboon My reply was absolutely serious. Except for when you want to flush the output stream (and you're not about to read from a tied input stream), why use std::endl?
 
Als
@sbi: The Q was teach \n or std::endl so unless you tell pitfalls of \n how can you prove std::endl is better?
 
sbi
@Als You referring to me?
@Als But it is not!
 
@sbi I think is just looks cleaner and is safer(is it?);
 
Als
what is not?
wtf, who finds But it is not starry?
 
too many endl will slow the program, right ?
@Als that would be me
 
sbi
6:42 PM
@bamboon If you want code to look nice, why use C++? Just write it as a poem and let some human translate it. You resort to C++ when you want both high levels of abstraction and being "close to the metal", not if you want nice looking code.
 
Als
@vivek: yeah its okay, You a kid.
 
sigh
 
this is less fun than previously indicated
 
sbi
@Als std::endl is not better than '\n'. It is different, because it does different things, and you should use the one you need.
 
Als
Since Koenig cameup, I am gonna rep-whore! stackoverflow.com/questions/8111677/…
 
sbi
@awoodland Nope, I am not going to go there.
 
Als
@sbi: isnt \n derived from c
 
sbi
@Als The whole of C++ is derived from C. So?
 
Als
or that is c-way of doing things is the least bit of criticizm for it
 
@Als - that almost worked, except I was one of the 5 :)
 
6:47 PM
std::endl is '\n' followed by flush() , right?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Yep.
 
Why would I want to flush after every line?
 
Als
@sbi: So so called C++ guys fret and criticize it
 
@FredOverflow Effects: Calls os.put(os.widen(ā€™\nā€™)), then os.flush().
 
Als
@awoodland: :) Thanks
 
6:48 PM
§ 27.7.3.8/1
I already had it open
 
@awoodland What significance does the widen have?
 
sbi
@Als No, they don't. We still use C strings, the built-in types we got from C, and tons of other stuff. Heck, 60% of C++ is C, so how can you not use C when doing C++? We only fret about using unsafe stuff from the C++ std lib.
 
@FredOverflow doesn't that make it in to a wchar_t if needed?
 
How is '\n' any more C than "hello"?
 
@sbi i think it should look nice because then it is easier to read and understand, I thought that is what it is all about. Havent you been the one who promoted to write std:: everytime and quoted meyers about not hestitating from writing 5 letters more. I really dont get your respond, I am the last one who wanted to write a poem, all I wanna do is learn and understand.
 
Als
6:50 PM
@sbi: You have carefully aligned We with You but that is not the case.I have seen people crib for lot of things perfectly fine yet branded c-ish.
 
C strings suck.
 
sbi
'\n' is C++' standard way of inserting a newline into a string or stream or whatever. If you want a newline, you want '\n', period. If you want a newline, followed by flushing the stream, use std::endl, otherwise don't.
6
 
@bamboon The std:: bit is about using namespace std;, which is stupid.
 
@sbi as simple as that
 
sbi
@bamboon If you want a newline, followed by flushing the stream, I'm all for using std:: in front of endl. If you want only the newline, it's spelled '\n'.
 
6:53 PM
0
A: pass two dimensional array to a method C++

BaltasarqThat would be okay if you were to read or modify the positions of the matrix, however you are going to modify the matrix itself. In your example, you'll need to create another matrix. So, you need to modify the formal parameter of transpose to: void transpose(float*** array, int rows, int colum...

 
So it all comes down to std::endl being poorly named.
 
Now that's an ugly code.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Yes, but almost everything in the streams library is poorly named, designed, and has strange semantics.
 
We clearly need std::endl_but_dont_flush.
 
namespace std
{
    const char endl_but_dont_flush = '\n';
}
 
sbi
6:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but please add using namespace std to that, because having not to write std:: would save us so much typing...
@FredOverflow You're not allowed to add anything to that namespace. (But you know that.)
 
yes I know :)
 
Als
damn...pedants.
 
But compilers don't!
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Please someone upvote my comment pointing out the FAQ, so that this will be closed as a dupe.
 
@sbi ok, always thought endl was safer, but you are the expert, so I will trust you.
 
6:58 PM
@sbi done
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Thx.
 
also voted to close ;)
 

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