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7:54 AM
Aloha. Spent my weekend on island Krk. If you like the smell of pines and sea, I highly recommend it. :)
 
8:09 AM
The broadest of the broad (non-R) stackoverflow.com/questions/31110677/…
 
8:21 AM
@EDi I've reran my prediction for hitting the 100.000 mark and it's still the same.
 
 
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EDi
10:20 AM
@RomanLuštrik isle Rab, just south of krk is also nice.
 
Aye, I sometimes visit Lopar, which is the most northern part of the island. Our university has a camp there.
Of course there's a must have excursion to Goli otok (Naked island, the former prison island). Fair warning, there are basically no naked people there.
 
EDi
I just reran with the new data and my prediction is one day earlier:
pdat[pdat$pred1 > 100000, "date"][1]
[1] "2015-07-21"
 
10:36 AM
My guess would be that due to a shorter time period, the model behaves more stochastically. I'm using data from 2008 and the trend is more "fixed".
 
EDi
jupp, that's true
What do we learn from the data < 2015? And is this info useful for this particular prediction goal?
Hopefully, the model get's better the closer we are ;)
 
11:31 AM
The variance is quite big, so I wouldn't bet any family farms on it.
 
 
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2:54 PM
"Peter [Dalgaard] said that some user contributed packages that are ubiquitous are being considered for inclusion into the base distribution. data.table, Rcpp and plyr in particular were mentioned." - link
 
3:20 PM
@joran I was there and that's not what he said.
He asked the question - should any package be included in base. That's not the same as it being considered.
 
@Andrie Interesting. It seemed like a weird thing when I read Richie's summary.
 
 
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8:31 PM
@joran What's this R Summit anyways?
More the point, who or what are the R Consortium?
 
8:48 PM
@GavinSimpson No idea...sounded Microsoft affiliated, but who knows.
 
@joran I really prefer the community activities in these regards (with rtravis, rocker, ...) than corporate backed things, unless they are doing this work in the open.
 
@GavinSimpson Not sure why it got renamed -- used to be 'DSC'. A conference / workshop as a means for R Core to meet. Now also R Foundation. Good programme this year...
 
@DirkEddelbuettel I did wonder if that was the case as the DSCs usually operate around the UseR! conferences in the past few years. Thanks Dirk.
 
9:06 PM
@GavinSimpson News embargo. Wouldn't hurt if you deleted the tweet.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Why? I didn't sign anything and personally detest this corporate, behind-closed doors BS. If people have something to say they should just come out and say it; announcing it at a conference for a select few is just disrespectful to the wider community.
One could at least get one's shit together to make the announcement to coincide with the super secret meeting of the select few.
 
I am sorry I brought this up. I won't your waste your time any further.
The announcement will coincide will the large, annual, open R user meeting. But I am sure you will find a way to see conspiracy in that too.
I have to give you a 3 hour tutorial tomorrow, and it is getting late in Europe so please excuse me for not lending a further ear to your outbursts.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Oh come, come Dirk. It's not conspiracy, just a frustration that people seem to think they can talk about something someone in open session and not have it discussed or mentioned elsewhere. The argument abounds at scientific conferences too.
@DirkEddelbuettel I resent that statement - we put up with plenty of yours here
 
9:22 PM
You have no backstory, you have no context, you have no content. A few have been working at this quite hard for some time. Could you consider giving them a moment to present the proposal.
Also, what will be announced has NOTHING to do with R Summit. That was merely a means to get people in one place at one time. And the R Foundation still had no quorum in the sense of the statutes.
Anything, I promised to stop I better will. No gain to be had, damage has been done.
 
@GavinSimpson To finish: Wrong premise. The presentation from which Mr Cotton claims to have learned something started with "news" crossed out to "no news". IT WAS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM even you keep implying that it was.
Richie Cotton deleted his tweet. So not everybody ignores me. Maybe I can after all die in peace.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel WTF ? You seem to have read an awful lot into a few sentences. You come out all guns blazing and what expect me to roll over and be all compliant?
@DirkEddelbuettel I asked a damn question - I did not know it wasn't supposed to be talked about.
Then I commented that it is utterly futile to expect to control something once it is mentioned in public. Getting all uppity about it is pointless.
 
The first law of holes, or the law of holes, refers to a proverb which states that "if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging". The meaning behind it is that if you find yourself in an untenable position, you should stop and change, rather than carry on exacerbating it. == Attribution == The proverb has been attributed to a number of sources. It appeared in print on page six of The Washington Post dated October 25, 1911, in the form: "Nor would a wise man, seeing that he was in a hole, go to work and blindly dig it deeper..." In The Bankers Magazine it was published in 1964 as: "Let me tell...
 
If it's not supposed to be talked about @DirkEddelbuettel, perhaps people shouldn't talk about it in public till they are supposed to talk about it.
 
9:35 PM
We did not talk in public. Invite only meeting, and everybody bar Richie seemed to know about the news embargo.
Which I just DMed him about, and kindly asked for the tweet to deleted. He of course did so.
 
What hole? You're the one in here getting all pissed off because I didn't want to delete my tweet.
 
OTOH up there in Canada where the air is crisper some people have all the truth.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel What about his blog post? It's a bit hard to unscramble an egg.
 
I don't read his blog or R bloggers any more so I don't know.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Why do you persist in just being an ass? You're reading way to much into what I actually said (as per usual)
@DirkEddelbuettel that's public FFS. No one was under a gag order. Stuff leaks, usually entirely accidentally. It's silly to think otherwise.
 
9:39 PM
I would suggest we all settle down, I go to sleep and we wait for the news to be told. It will be real soon. We may well have something to discuss then, but I may keep Gavin blocked. He worked hard enough to earn that. Night all.
 
If that's your attitude @DirkEddelbuettel keep me blocked.
You don't get to be a jackass and then take your toys home
 
can one of you give a factual summary of this and then you can go? I'm lost....
 
@Spacedman Of what? The first rule of "R Consortium" is...
 
Well for one thing I can't find any mention of R Consortium.. or is that the issue? Someone mentioned it and then deleted it?
 
Read wp.me/p12hxJ-9R I asked a question here and on Twitter about what ThingThatShallNotBeNamed was?
 
9:50 PM
@Spacedman Richie Cotton wrote a blog post referencing some things happening at the R Foundation level that were apparently not scheduled to be publicly announced until the useR conference. I quoted and linked to said blog post above which triggered this entire unfortunate exchange.
 
ah ha
Because Richie was at the R Summit?
 
Yeah.
 
Hadley & David Smith said there would be more details shortly, Dirk asked me to delete my tweet. Richie Cotton tweeted some more details but has since deleted that so I won't repeat the detail.
Supposedly we'll find out about this tomorrow or in a few days after an announcement at UseR! 2015.
 
Does the R SUmmit have an official page?
 
@Spacedman In deference to Richie (and trying to help him dig himself out of the hole he created) I have deleted my tweets too (FWIW)
Dirk mentioned earlier that is what the DSC meetings seemingly morphed into
 
yeah, and UseR came out of that too. I don't see why it should be inivitation only for attendees, except maybe for the foundation meeting. They all look like talks that could go in UseR just as easily.
 
@joran it wasn't your fault - I'd already read Richie's blog posts (RBloggers syndicated them to a device I don't have R Chat open on)
 
There is/was a sentiment that there should be some 'community' (however defined) representation and some folks got invited that way. I do not know who invited whom/why but there was an email by Hadley on the Foundation list.
 
Oh well. They don't have a Code of Conduct so I wouldn't go anyway...
:)
 
@Spacedman Not really. R Core folks tend not to got to useR, and a 40 person workshop works better than a 600 people conference, as you probably know.
@Spacedman The Foundation will even have something to say about that, believe it or not (but I am not spokesperson so I won't)
 
9:59 PM
So there's UseR and "DevR"? Has UseR got less Devvy?
 
I loved the small useR's in Vienna. It is different now. UCLA last year was efficient though. Just different,
Anyway. I. Should. Really. Sleep. Now.
 
@Spacedman DSC meetings were always like that IIRC Think they wanted to get a group of likeminded individuals in a room to discuss computation stats. Format has seems to have been retained
@joran I only came here to see if people here knew anything more given the group of people hanging out in here. Only I got shouted at
 
go vote down some Qs in revenge...
 
@Spacedman Thanks, now if he gets any downvotes on the 1000s of answers he's given I'm going to get all the blame ;-)
 
/me goes on a down-voting spree!
 
10:06 PM
Well not Dirks Q&As! Unless they deserve it of course.
 
slap a "not a reproducible example" on this: stackoverflow.com/questions/31126277/…
 
@JoshuaUlrich I'm f*cked
 
@GavinSimpson here's the cat, here's the bag...
What did journalists do before they could just recirculate vague rumours from twitter?
 
@Spacedman hardly a rumour when David Smith and Hadley both essentially confirm it
 
10:12 PM
@GavinSimpson hmm not sure if these are good or bad news. Sounds very interesting though
 
@GavinSimpson yes, but the members of the Bilderberg group confirm its existence but won't admit whether they are a bunch of skull-worshipping lizard people...
 
@DavidArenburg I'm leaving judgement till I hear more details. Oracle gives me cause for concern though...
 
@GavinSimpson Don't forget to tweet :p
 
@DavidArenburg I won't be in Aalborg to hear first hand so I'll be relying on reports and what, if any, statements get put on the web. Wonder if I'll need to run my tweets by @DirkEddelbuettel for approval...?
 

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