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12:08 AM
@StackedCrooked wow that indeed sounds counter-intuitive
 
@Code-Apprentice it's a new in-joke: someone posted about an autistic son missing something so his parents gave him a replacement, and now there's maybe half a dozen posts with "<sounds similar to autistic> son was sad that <item> closed down, so his parents built him his own"
 
Ah. Now I get it.
Without this context that pic was very confusing :P
 
agreed
I'm not a regular redit user
 
better without context
 
This one at least has a connection between the "sounds like autistic" part and what was closed down.
 
12:33 AM
@jaggedSpire i want it to flop on me <3
@jaggedSpire wonderful isnt it?
 
@Code-Apprentice It's satirical humour about the post @StackedCrooked linked. Some people see 'autistic' as an insult like 'retarded' or 'batshit crazy', and those people also like to intentionally misspell for humour as a sign not to take them seriously. The misspellings are also often used as caricatures of articles, etc that they want to ridicule.
So basically somebody did a photo edit of the blockbuster post to point out "This kid's parents are giving him way too much", under the assumption that his mental illness should not make him receive special treatment
 
12:50 AM
@StackedCrooked oh wait, by "move it out of the kernel" you meant "do it in hardware" and not "do it in userspace"?
 
I mean userspace
 
ok, then I'm still confused
 
For starters you need batching APIs that allow you to send and receive a batch of packets at once. As it is now the unix api requires you to send one packet at a time.
 
That is counterintuitive... So they run it in kernel because few people actually need the speed from userspace?
 
so there are batching APIs in userspace but not in kernelspace?
 
12:53 AM
Yeah.
Intel has a project named DPDK. The core component is something called "poll mode driver". It eliminates interrupt overhead and provides the foundation for stuff like batching apis.
 
Hmm, sounds like a case where adding batching to the kernel would still be a faster solution overall, but userland APIs are the next best option.
 
The userspace code speaks directly to the driver.
> DPDK software running on current generation Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2658 v4, achieves 233 Gbps (347 Mpps) of L3 forwarding at 64-byte packet sizes.
L3 forwarding == routing. It's not a trivial application.
You can't get that speed in kernel because the kernel is too general purpose.
Also the kernel networking design is very old. Back when linked lists were used to chain packet headers together in order to avoid copying a few bytes.
 
@StackedCrooked wow this page is just waaaay over my head
 
> <longue tirade raciste>
> BREF ça c’était la petite présentation de mon parcours comme ça les amalgames FN = racisme, nazis sont éloignés.
 
but that's nice
it's good to be aware of things you don't know
 
1:04 AM
@milleniumbug Conceptually it's not hard to understand. It's just loaded with jargon.
@milleniumbug Maybe it helps with dinosaur pictures. Spoiler: it's kinda stupid
 
lol @ "so whenever you see a dinosaur movie, remember: latency hiding techniques"
 
@StackedCrooked Ha, we use something similar but from a different vendor.
The NIC writes directly into the application buffers through DMA
 
1:30 AM
holy hell, apparently all you need to do to start an enormous, angry argument in /r/stlouis is mention confederate war memorials
 
@jaggedSpire i thought that was true for most americans :P
 
only if you mix northerners and southerners I think
if you keep if to one group you just get an angry mob instead
 
the best way to trigger people anywhere anytime is to push the right plastic buttons on your keyboard in the right order
10
there's a couple magic sequences that work everytime
 
lol
tell us more, oh great cicada
what if I have metal buttons, or wood
or glass
 
@jaggedSpire Then your triggers are even more transparent.
 
1:44 AM
hehe
 
@jaggedSpire You're not from St. Louis :-/
 
@jaggedSpire I am not sure, perhaps you need to press those in a different order!
Best way is to experiment and find out
 
@Mikhail no, but I live here now and pay attention to the subreddit
 
I have been thinking - what if there are creatives on Mars and other planets that we plan to colonize, who would resist us colonize there? Are we going to bully them like the early settlers bully the aboriginals?
 
1:57 AM
St Louis is one of those ex-French cities isn't it
 
Not any more than Illinois
 
Ah yes, it is.
 
yep. Detroit too.
 
Yes the names sound French
 
@SpongyFruitcake Can I call it Illinwa? Like Valois?
 
1:58 AM
Île-Inois
 
I think your keyboard is broken, might want to check the junk above the "I" key
 
@Mikhail Wait, it's not actually pronounced like that...?
heart races
 
ill-in-oy
 
ih-lih-noy
 
heart races in French
 
2:00 AM
@jaggedSpire omg
 
French intensifies
 
I've always said ill-in-wah as in French
7
 
lol, I can't tell if you're tolling though. But, I want to believe.
 
Nah I'm serious lol
 
I thought it was pronounced St. Lou-ey for the longest time. I never heard aloud until I was already grown.
 
2:01 AM
lol, almost as bad as arkansas, which is ar-kan-saw.
Still, England takes the cake for weird pronunciations.
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Mostly because you can't actually say Welsh words.
 
at least that one shared a name with a river people talked about back home
 
LOL, the Welsh claimed Bertrand Russell
This is a list of Welsh people (Welsh: rhestr Cymry); an ethnic group and nation associated with Wales. Historian John Davies argues that the origin of the Welsh nation can be traced to the late 4th and early 5th centuries, following the Roman departure from Britain, although Brythonic or other Celtic languages seem to have been spoken in Wales since much earlier. This list is for people of Welsh heritage and descent, and for those otherwise perceived as Welsh; through either birth or adoption. Only those meeting notability criteria are included. A few people appear in more than one section of...
 
People only wrote about St. Louis where I grew up
odd
 
@Aaron3468 jfc and people say french is bad
Today I'm TILing a lot of things
On the other hand I don't think I ever had to use the word "Arkansas" in a conversation but now I'll make extra efforts to place it just to show off.
 
2:07 AM
Careful, you don't people thinking you're American or from Arkansaw
 
Don't worry, I'm not fat enough
 
 "Arkansas (You Run Deep in Me)", "Oh, Arkansas"
^ the state song sounds dirty
 
@jaggedSpire Wait you moved to St Louis when and why?
 
@SpongyFruitcake Arkansas you of all people would want to do that
 
@LucDanton Missouri can do terrible puns too
 
2:16 AM
@SpongyFruitcake jerb
 
@SpongyFruitcake French has a lot of rules, but it's not usually made up on a word-by-word basis. But Britain was a melting pot of more than a dozen different tribes/cultures that all had their own languages and kept conquering eachother.
English may be a somewhat easy language to learn, but British English is an absolute nightmare
 
Which is ironic, because English got fucked up by French in 1066
 
Nov 26 '16 at 8:12, by Gundolf Gundelfinger
Of course, English is virtually 50% French and 50% German :p
This Gundolf guy really nailed it.
 
I miss him
 
> Exxon released 10 million pounds of air pollution in Texas
Why not use the local currency, US dollars, instead?
 
2:21 AM
@SpongyFruitcake Pretty much, and then a few centuries of necrophilia with latin
 
Scandinavian
 
@Luc du coup je suis retombé sur ça et c'est toujours aussi fascinant.
 
2:36 AM
nip it in the bud .. before it's accessible to other beasts
 
3:05 AM
what an ordeal, turns out the latest driver release included just the chipset drivers. had to dive down to the previous release that had the USB 3.0 drivers bundled with
 
3:32 AM
Hehe.
Best anime ever :D
 
boruto naruto is the best lol
 
4:06 AM
Good morning
 
 
alright got the USB 3.0 working
and now the network
 
4:59 AM
@StackedCrooked and incidentally, why I hold cards right handed. You can hardly tell what any of them are that way.
 
5:22 AM
Oh dear, drivers are the worst thing to configure
 
6:15 AM
@LucDanton impressive
 
@SpongyFruitcake barely got an FPS increase in gw2
 
6:45 AM
so happy that we're dropping the support of MSVS2010 soon
 
@login_not_failed cringes
 
7:16 AM
@StackedCrooked omg school rumble
likely one of the first anime I've seen
 
I'm having a baguette'n cheese craving
 
Now I am having it too
 
I'm having a mental breakdown for lunch.
 
Sounds nice. Any plans for dessert?
 
@littlepootis it's friday, you may save it for monday
 
7:20 AM
I could really use some roquefort right now
 
7:42 AM
@LucDanton I'm curious BTW, what settings do you run on and what FPS do you get?
 
7:53 AM
@SpongyFruitcake more or less everything maxed, 30-40 fps in Rata Sum
 
finally fixed lawn mower
 
I’ve yet to seriously tweak and measure though, I’ll do a world boss or something later on
 
I feel like an iron maiden doing all the hard work while hanging around with a bunch of software people
 
@LucDanton yeah that's a real benchmark (or WvW zergs)
 
well, Rata Sum is one of those weird places which kills your FPS because of water reflections or something. not that I planned measuring there, it’s just where I do my daily gatherings
 
8:05 AM
@StackedCrooked I'm left handed... that looks to funky to me :\
but them I'm not like most people who have one hand they can use and one hand that just flops around aimlessly
 
8:16 AM
@littlepootis Metal breakdowns are better.
 
8:30 AM
@LucDanton Asura still my favorite race culturally and architecturally
 
surfing on tsunami must be fun for pro surfers
 
8:54 AM
Yeah. Because pro surfers always enjoy getting smashed into buildings and public inrastructure
 
dodge buildings needs skills
 
@Feeds IDGI
 
so no @Puppy around today
 
@login_not_failed Yeah. Who the hell "support" an IDE
 
@Ell I rant about both
@sehe library creators?
 
8:58 AM
That's the only valid reason
 
@sehe instead of transiting across, the ISS crashed into the sun. subverted expectations + absurd situation = humourous reaction
 
@sehe ugh, obviously I meant MSVC; our humble 2mil SLOC core platform will never be compiled on it
 
Oh
@LucDanton Oh. And the absurd suggestion that it happens all the time. Nice
I didn't realize the object in orbit was supposed to be ISS
 
It's actually Bartek's mom before reentry
 
it does look like object 155
 
9:02 AM
Now I see that it's labeled. I actually read it as 155 or 156. Couldn't make it out
My eyes. They would weep if it didn't make it blurrier still.
 
seafood isn't cooked properly on this pizza, bye world, if you don't heard me tomorrow, I have died from self induced food poisoning
 
@login_not_failed 2 million lines is too big for a single project
 
@BartekBanachewicz we're quite big as well
 
that's not my point
codebases shouldn't grow like companies
 
i guess it depends on your goals
 
9:07 AM
if you increase client count, employees and income by 50%, your codebase shouldn't grow by 50%
@login_not_failed I'd say a programmer's goal is to keep the code as correct and maintainable as possible while delivering features
 
if you expand your interests, based on what you have already, it sure will grow
 
and if you sell vegetables for a living, it shouldn't grow at all!
 
if it grows to a certain size it should be split up
 
it did split up eventually
that's what left, and we are still cutting stuff from it
 
you can keep piling on new code long after anyone can understand the codebase or do any meaningful changes in it
 
9:11 AM
I do agree with you that programmers should not be forced to understand a huge codebase, but in our case you cannot really cut core platform anymore significantly
 
programmers should not be forced to program
 
true
they should hang on a proper chat all day long :3
 
define 'proper'
#define proper Lounge
 
at least as good as Lounge
 
so I got a really scary spam mail
> Hey. I found your software is online. Can you write the code for my project? Terms of reference attached below.
The price shall discuss, if you can make. Answer please.
the zip archive had a .doc with a Trojan inside
 
9:16 AM
just answer "please"
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... err ... how did you find that out?
 
9:55 AM
@BartekBanachewicz you opened it?
 
I hope the virus scanner caught it before word opened it
 
Getting a mail with a zip archive attachment from a random person would trigger warning lights for me
 
nwp
Having shitty operating systems that have people fear email attachments triggers me.
 
I always switch to TempleOS when opening email attachments
5
/s
 
open emails in sandbox..
 
10:09 AM
open suspicious emails on virtual machine
 
nwp
and burn the machine afterwards, including the physical host
 
Don't use emails. Send birds.
 
nwp
@Morwenn People would get the bird flue virus attached to their mail.
 
@nwp Burn the bird before opening the mail.
 
but virus is already on the mail
 
10:22 AM
@Morwenn *carefully burn the bird so that the attachment wouldn't catch fire
 
nwp
NSA agents' new super weapon is highly addictive bird food
 
On on side side, the Chinese Army still has messenger pigeons.
It's the « reserve pigeon army ».
 
nwp
@Morwenn that seems like a category up from mere typo
 
10:53 AM
@Morwenn on the dinner menu?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes my av blocked it
@nwp having OSes where wget randomurl | sudo is an acceptable instruction triggers me
 
@Telkitty I wonder how it tastes.
 
> First time I took the X-Trail home, my boys were excited. At last, they can inspect a car that finally have an exhaust!! Usually, they only can look at exhaust in public parking lots.
oh boy
also lol linux vs windows thread
> With Linux, you can never get bored. With so many variants available to try, you will always have fun spending time with Linux.
~hackers~
 
@SpongyFruitcake 40 fps during a large scale boss battle with everything turned down, this gaem is amazing
same as in Lion's Arch, even
 
11:09 AM
I'm actually thinking about buying an electric car more and more
but they're so ridiculously expensive that the savings in use don't really make much sense
two models I would be inclined to buy were Hyundai Ioniq and VW e-Golf
but 165kph and 150kph top speeds, respectively, sound rather lame for cars costing as much as a decent used 340HP Audi RS3
 
but why would you need to go faster than that?
 
@ratchetfreak My rule of thumb is that a car is usable to at most 75% of its top speed.
 
that's still highway speeds
 
@ratchetfreak slow highway speeds
 
acceptable non ticket inducing highwayspeeds
 
11:17 AM
point being, if I am to pay so much for the car I want something that can do 90-140 acceleration without a hickup
the Audi does that no problems
and is drivable at 200 if I so choose
 
ah, acceleration at high speeds is important
up until recently I drove a fiat panda where acceleration from 90+ was agonizingly slow
 
yeah, the electric engines can do decent standing starts, but once they start rolling it drops off considerably
the true limited horsepower shows then
 
and could only go up to 150 kmph on a downhill with a tailwind
 
@BartekBanachewicz torque vs. BHP
 
11:20 AM
admittedly my bike won't go faster than 160 that easily as well, but until that point it's pretty quick
 
amazing how many people don't understand that, I'm very surprised that HGVs don't use electric motors simply because of the torque
 
@BartekBanachewicz the lower weight and wind resistance showing itself
 
so anyway I could justify the cost of an electric car because of the gas costs, but the huge drop in excitement and highway usability is a rather big dent in the picture
 
maybe they are marketed more as a city car then?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why not get a regular Golf GTI?
I think it's much cheaper than say an Audi RS3
 
11:22 AM
@Rerito I sat in the 2016 R and I was rather disappointed
@Rerito and also has about half the power
@ratchetfreak well the Ioniq boasts 280km range
 
@BartekBanachewicz what about the Fusion RS?
 
@BartekBanachewicz on what charge time?
 
@BartekBanachewicz My point being cars depreciate rather quickly, I wouldn't consider investing loads of money into a car if I'm not rich af
 
@Mgetz that's called Mondeo here and it's rather big
@ratchetfreak 4.5h
 
In your day-to-day driving, I'm sure a Golf GTI would allow you to have enough hp to satisfy you
 
11:25 AM
@Rerito yeah that's true certainly
@Rerito meh, I thought a bike will have enough and now I want a faster one so
 
It's different with bikes
 
point is some people just want to go faster
 
@BartekBanachewicz the usable range of an electric is really what you can charge overnight
 
I doubt that a 300HP car would be a be-all-end-all for me
 
Since you ride one, my advice is you get all your speed thrills with the bike
And the car should serve for utility purposes
 
11:26 AM
@Rerito that's certainly much cheaper
 
@Rerito accelerating on the highway is pretty important to easily merge into the other lane
 
but you can imagine my dismay when driving a car and then asking "hey did it break or something because I don't feel we're moving at all"
> no it was like that all along
> but it won't accelerate I'm flooring it see
 
@ratchetfreak Sure, but you don't need a fucking 300hp car to do that
 
@Rerito I think I'd find plenty of occasions to floor a 300HP car as well
I think it just looks like a scary number
 
My point was that a regular car manages almost all these situations already
I have to purchase a new car at the moment
And spending more than 5k€ would induce a serious butthurt :D
 
11:30 AM
I personally think that just getting older ones makes the most sense when you're on the budget
it's a gamble and requires more time and effort but at least you get a chance of buying a decent one
otherwise you're spending money on the imaginary market value of the production year stamped on it
 
That's sensible
But I must factor the recent laws that passed in France
Where old cars will become undrivable during pollution peaks and the like
I'm aiming for 2008~2012 cars
 
Plus taxes should raise again for diesel cars.
 
Exactly
And diesel fuel
I'ld be happy with a Toyota Yaris I think
 
Well, I meant that since diesel fuel will be more expensive, buying a diesel car is not exactly the smartest move if you want something cheap. I'm not aware of anything about diesel cars themselves.
 
@Morwenn they don't make sense in the cities on short trips
 
11:36 AM
Sure thing.
Ideally I'd like not to have to drive at all to go to work, but with public transportation, it'd take me 1h to get to work vs. 30 minutes with my car :/
 
I like driving to work
 
And I didn't find anyone willing to do carsharing.
 
can get some fresh air and wake up before I sit down at my desk
 
Oh, I don't like driving at all. But it's just too convenient.
 
I wonder if people who say they don't like driving feel that because of their utilitarian choice of cars
chicken and egg of sorts
 
11:40 AM
Nah, I just don't like having to be fully aware of what I'm doing, I don't like high speeds and I hate parking.
 
yeah parking is shitty in a car
 
Parking would be easier with something else than a car :p
I like walking. When the weather isn't too shitty.
 
but the wind at 100+kph is just like a whole-body massage :D
I mean the first time I took my bike out on the highway I was too scared to enjoy it
 
The worst thing is riding a bicycle when there are strong winds and you feel like you're not moving at all ç__ç
I do like the « I'm somewhat at home » feel of being in my own car though. And it's also convenient when you have to wait for somebody and the weather is terrible.
 
yeah basically all the things people who say "public transport should be enough for everyone" don't get
 
11:48 AM
You do have a point.
If the commute time to work was shorter, I'd take public transportation though. Not having to drive + being able to do something else meanwhile (e.g. reading) is still a big plus for me.
 
@SpongyFruitcake alright after tweaking and getting everything right I max out at 60 with everything in the environment nearly maxed out and no players around. then I get to adjust quality/quantity of character models depending on what kind of content I'm doing (i.e. number of players), just like old times. I achieved ~40 fps with good fidelity on claw of jormagg so I’m happy
plus it’s windowed fullscreen cos I usually dick around on the other screens so I can’t really be expecting miracles here
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz why?
 
12:06 PM
@Morwenn I have motion sickness so that's typically out for me
@nwp because that means you don't even have to write a trojan
 
nwp
are you saying it should be impossible to screw with the system?
 
> Could you rewrite that in the form of a Grandpa Simpson rant?
 
@nwp I'm saying that the system should protect itself from misuse to a certain degree
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz I'd say once you say sudo there should be no more self-protection beyond maybe "You are about to break the system. Type I know what I'm doing to continue". The bigger problem is that the command screws you over without the sudo.
 
@nwp that's not enough granularity then
 
12:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's a bit unfortunate :/
 
since sudo is required for pretty much everything
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz what? No.
 
@Morwenn yeah it's better now than when I was a kid but I still can't read on a bus or in a car
 
if you require sudo for day to day stuff then you are doing it wrong...
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz does that apply to FPS-type games too?
 
12:20 PM
@nwp nah
 
@BartekBanachewicz Considering that I had 11h of train the other, day not being able to read would have been... well, I'm glad I can read in transports :p
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz lucky you, it does for me -.-
 
@ratchetfreak well "installing new software" and "breaking the system completely" and "putting a rootkit in" are all on the same level
@Morwenn trains are typically ok, esp. the long-range ones
and funny enough I love coding on a plane
 
Oh, that's cool then.
 
yeah the problem with buses and trams and tubes is that they constantly accelerate and deccelerate
and turn sharply
 
12:24 PM
there are also trains
 
I used to sleep in buses and trams.
 
they don't turn sharply
 
Buses are noisy though (at least where I live). I like trams more :/
 
3 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Morwenn trains are typically ok, esp. the long-range ones
 
nwp
why does this get upvotes?
I don't understand SO.
 
12:31 PM
@nwp Because the only thing really gathering downvotes effectively nowadays are spam posts & posts, that are written so poorly that even the most advanced users can only guess.
 
nwp
@Seth I was under the impression users feel that everything gets unfairly downvoted, especially in .
 
@nwp When I look at , I laugh at all the downvotes.
 
nwp
this terrible question is gonna end up with 200 upvotes as a canonical question, isn't it? -.-
 
@nwp Oh dear lord.
 
@nwp after some edits, probably
 
12:39 PM
@Morwenn Sadly not unusual when it comes to rather basic functionalities of programming languages.
By the way, that question would be suited as documentation topic, not as question on stack overflow I'd say.
 
I don't remember who was talking about cheeses two hours ago, but when I wen't to the market on the way home I had to buy some cheese and crackers.
And some red wine, naturally
 
@Horttanainen Cheese <3
 
@nwp lmao
> I want a feature
also Jenkins shows "success" as a blue ball
amazing ux
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz that's like the definition of "so close yet so far"
maybe they can improve it by adding another one
 
If this is your down vote, qbert, i don't approve — user439345 yesterday
lmao that guy
 
12:59 PM
Every time I see math.stackexchange it reminds me that I studied mathematics for four years. They really beat the shit out of me in the end.
 
1:29 PM
^ did you already discuss that?
welp the bug was known since 2015 but nobody cared - gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=66139
oh well
should we talk about politics then?
 
1:47 PM
dynamic web app
what to use
to build it
halp
me
!
 
use javascript
Linker errors are killing me
 
user1804599
2:07 PM
Linker errors are easier to fix than bugs.
 
user1804599
Don't write JavaScript manually. It's stupid.
 
user1804599
@Shoe Haskell or PureScript.
 
@rightfold In my experience linker errors are the worst.
 
user1804599
Your experience is little.
 
user1804599
Also, yummy, worst.
 
2:15 PM
My linker problem was that I had a interface class in dll project and the interface was implemented in another dll project. Implementation was dll exported and this somehow prevented other objects from linking to implementations constructor.
But why is this not cool
Can't I use another dynamic librarys header only interface from another dynamic library? What could be the problem?
And now it somehow works? Just when I thought I understood why this is not allowed??
 
nwp
2:33 PM
Today I learned std::static_pointer_cast exists. I'm having a hard time being proud of myself for never needing such a thing and not feeling like a dummy.
 
aliasing constructor abused...
 
@ratchetfreak In my problem?
 
no it's about nwp's link
 
nwp
@ratchetfreak I have never heard of such a thing.
Today is another day where despite of using C++ daily for years I don't actually know the language.
 
2:44 PM
@nwp it's where a shared_ptr doesn't point to the object it owns
 
nwp
right, shared_ptrs aliasing constructor, I knew that
 
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