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12:06 AM
Is it normal that Steam + WoW take over 115GiB of disk space
 
@Columbo If its just Steam, no. Otherwise we cant possibly answer without knowing which games youve got installed
 
@Borgleader Well, WoW takes 50
Which is odd in itself
 
No, mine is also 50 ish
 
Hmm, okay
On Steam I got Dota, We Happy Few, Arma 3
Arma 3 is probs the big one
lol, the "downloading" folder has 25 GiB
Oh, here we go, I got 80GiB worth of videos
space sniffer is great
 
My Steam folder is 234 GB
and yeah, i was about to suggest spacesniffer
 
12:16 AM
ey wasssssuuuuuup
 
debugging a performance issue in a producer consumer queue
 
@Borgleader Yeah, but I'm on a machine from 2013, and apparently 750GB was enough back then... :(
I'm thinking about getting a second drive
However, then again, I am getting a new laptop this summer, anyway
 
@Mikhail sounds like fun
 
Much better than trying to align text in Qt
 
12:21 AM
@LucDanton should it compile? Factory isn't friends with derived.
 
@jaggedSpire I don’t know
 
@Mikhail point
 
@jaggedSpire you can friend from the derived type as well and see what happens
 
@LucDanton I'm only running off common sense here, I didn't even know you could do that with constructors (though it's quite handy to know)
 
at your own risk though
 
12:24 AM
@Columbo I'm on a machine from 2012 and I had a 500GB HDD which I later replaced with a 1TB one which is mostly full at this point.
 
> note: 'derived::derived(int)' is implicitly deleted because the default definition would be ill-formed:
using base::base;
hmmmm
 
@jaggedSpire hullo
 
@jaggedSpire hang on to that feeling cos that’s what using C++ compilers is like
 
making the ctor protected works
for base
'Round and round the errors go. Is it standard-compliant? Nobody knows.
@Borgleader :D
 
@jaggedSpire nice, that also works on my end (and actual code)—thanks a bunch!
 
12:28 AM
@LucDanton but at least the documentation for the desired behavior is borderline exhaustive, if not particularly easy reading
@LucDanton Happy to help! Thanks for the interesting tidbit. :)
 
agreed, reading it does leave me exhausted
 
/cc @jaggedSpire
 
@Borgleader I remember paying $350 for the WD 200GB "Monster Drive" back in like 2003-ish where they needed a special card to get around the 128GB limit. A $100 mail-in rebate brought it down to $250.
 
Hm. I'm wondering if there are some nice creative uses for user-defined literals.
 
@Borgleader :P
 
12:36 AM
@Mysticial 100$ mail-in rebate? woah... Ive never seen one above like 20...
@jaggedSpire It hasd been too long ;)
 
And now we're within a generation of getting more than 200GB of ram in a desktop.
I have 128GB in the box I'm typing on right now.
 
But that'll drop to 64GB once I switch to my Ryzen rig. I have other plans for this 128GB Haswell box.
 
@Mysticial How long before Chrome finds a way of using all of it?
 
@Borgleader It about -3 months?
 
I wonder if people benchmark browsers with artificial memory limits. For example, restrict the memory usage to 2GB/4GB/8GB/16GB and then measure performance. I have a hard time believing all the RAM is going to good use.
 
I'm gonna have a tough decision later this year with Skylake X, 16-core Ryzen, or Skylake Purley. It will depend on whether Skylake X has AVX512. And the performance of the 16-core Ryzen.
@Mikhail Of course not. The developers don't even have "performance" in their vocabulary. They just "get it to work" and call it a day.
But the blame doesn't just lie with the browser devs, it's with websites themselves as well.
Since sites are so bloated with ad-ware, and anti-ad-blockers, and anti-anti-ad-blockers.
But you know the browser is to blame when closing all your tabs doesn't reduce the memory usage.
 
So, they need to have a massive cache because their competition does that. The only solution is for the OS to provided whatever caching facilities the browser is using, internally. That way reported memory usage would go down :-)
 
12:56 AM
@Mikhail But you can only use it to cache one thing at a time, and if you leave it to the OS, it'll use it to cache (local) files.
Seriously though, I think it is a reasonable point: have a way of telling the OS "I'd like to cache this", and let it figure out how to balance the requests (though with virtual memory, that's sort of what it does now, just less directly).
@Borgleader Obviously should have done a sculpture of the Just-Ice League.
 
You really shouldn't be doing your own caching unless you think can do it better. And browsers do it in the worst possible way.
Webpages would load faster even if every item in the page required a disk seek access.
 
@Mikhail Once upon a time, Microsoft had a "system stress" tool specifically for testing like this--you could have it use up all but some specified amount of most resources. Going from recollection, it knew how to use up memory, CPU time, disk bandwidth, and various types of Windows handles (kernel, GDI, etc.) I used it some, but AFAIK, it's been gone from the SDK for years, so apparently not many did.
 
1:25 AM
Are browsers that bad?
I think the ISP plays a bigger role here.
And Wifi, of course.
 
@LucDanton Come again?
 
@SpongyFruitcake std::byte is not a pure library feature so is not illustrative of anything close to what the OP is saying
 
So that's not how it is actually implemented?
 
@SpongyFruitcake it is (modulo magic of course), but it still requires special wording in the standard
 
Oh, okay. What's the magic in question?
 
1:34 AM
the aliasing + similar stuff, i.e. it gets put in the char + unsigned char club
 
1:44 AM
What's the best way to create a page-aligned buffer in C++ on Linux?
 
1:59 AM
Like a DIN-A4 buffer?
or like posix_memalign?
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
2:23 AM
@StackedCrooked like posix_memalign.
 
2:34 AM
Would something like this waste memory? std::vector<unsigned char, boost::alignment::aligned_allocator<unsigned char, 4096> > buffer;
 
^^ 6 TB of memory
 
Is this one machine?
 
I believe it's the first ever that 1 trillion of digits of Pi is done completely in memory.
 
2:39 AM
DIMM:              32.0 GiB - HP - HMA84GL7MFR4N-UH
 
No idea, but it's under a single instance of Windows.
 
192 DIMMs
 
192 RAM sticks
wow
 
You have no idea how badly I'd like to have proper NUMA support.
But that's a road not traveled.
 
Make sure to get the specs before you validate his submission. Like what is the motherboard, and how did he get 192 DIMMs in it.
 
2:41 AM
The file validates.
 
If I'm looking at the right page, that CPU goes for $7174.00. And it's an 8 socket machine.
 
Yeah, but this is a good excuse to ask the guy for the specs.
 
As in the checksums pass. And I doubt anybody cares enough to crack the security through obfuscation.
 
Its 100% real, but the interesting story is how they did it.
 
2:44 AM
with magic
 
2:54 AM
I'd love to get my hands on that box to see how much faster my NUMA-aware FFT is (if at all). The number to beat is 863 seconds for that "Final Multiply".
 
What if FFTW is faster :-)
 
@Mikhail FFTW won't be able to do it 6TB of memory.
 
I think Assembly Language is easier to understand than C++.
 
take your favorite software and run it through IDA
 
3:18 AM
@Mikhail My favorite software isn't compatible with my system.
 
If you're really bored (like me), you can try to disassemble HexRays in HexRays (its an easter egg)
 
My preferred disassembler is Cheat Engine.
 
It's not a disassembler
 
@SpongyFruitcake Yeah it is.
 
yeah no not really
 
3:25 AM
Ah, but it is.
 
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong
11
 
It has a button that says "view in disassembler"
 
That must make it a disassembler then! Mystery solved.
 
You just click on the "Advanced options" button in the bottom left of the main window.
 
3:44 AM
It would appear it's actually the "Memory View" button.
 
4:23 AM
Hi everyone good morning
 
@JennaSloan This is a little like saying "I just took out a five-year loan to buy a cigarette lighter." Yes, a car often does include a cigarette lighter, but that doesn't mean it is a cigarette lighter.
 
build once, maintain a life time!
 
write once, make maintainers miserable forever
 
oooh are we going to see a redlining revival
Redline Revival: Islamic Boogaloo
 
4:34 AM
ikr ...
found the ad here
 
You would think people would learn
 
obviously modified ...
Most are high paid intellectual professionals and businesses owners are living on this street, and well respected neighborhoods.
this line stays
 
but no, it's asshole o'clock all the time
and not even the fun kind
 
original:
 
5:05 AM
there is a feral rabbit coming into our backyard every afternoon, stealing our grass >_<
not do we care about grass being eaten by the rabbit
 
@JennaSloan Cheat Engine doesn't really have a dissassembler. It's mostly a tool to hack the memory addresses allocated to a program (temporary data, constants, etc). A real dissassembler reads an exe file's contents and spits out the assembly instructions (sometimes even legible C++). Because it doesn't modify the exe itself, you need to run it everytime you want to enable a hack (unless the memory is saved somehow by the exe).
 
I have officially switched to my Ryzen build as my main box.
 
time to buy AMD stock
 
intel better.
time to buy jetson tx2.
 
5:21 AM
@Aaron3468 Cheat Engine has a built-in disassembler that can read the contents of an exe file and output the assembly instructions
When a program in run, all of the instructions in the executable are loaded into memory.
 
Ah, that's fair. Maybe it's a newer update or I just never found the feature.
 
It also explains how modifying the wrong pointers can crash a program.
 
Now that I've moved onto my Ryzen build, I have a 128GB Haswell box to play with.
 
@Mysticial A box?
 
computer
 
5:35 AM
confused
 
You probably don't mess with computers enough.
 
Big computers are basically metal boxes.
 
I thought those were called towers
 
1 billion digits of Pi in 58 seconds. Only possible now since I'm booted into Windows 10 and there's no shit installed.
Feels like I've just gained a new toy even though I've had this box since December 2014.
Some time in the next few days (probably tomorrow), I'm gonna transfer my twin hard drive towers over to it.
 
@JennaSloan As you mess around, you learn that jargon isn't as strict as you think. Professionals have a lot of fond names for things that already have names :)
@Mysticial That's impressive! How much cooling did you need in the box?
 
5:44 AM
Just a large AIO.
Just different memory and storage devices.
Had it for more than 2 years now. But since I've been using as my main computer all this time, I've never had a chance to really play with it in terms of benchmarking and running code without interference.
That will be its new purpose now.
 
3 microseconds to base64 encode ~300 bytes ._.
unacceptable
 
Pretty sweet. So many ram slots.
I need to download more ram because I've got 8gb and a certain low-res java game obliterates it.
 
I'm thinking of getting a server rack so my computer has a super fast disk transfer rate and can render multiple large objects in Ultra-HD with anti-aliasing in real time.
 
@Mysticial that is your computer?
 
Do you boot from an SSD Jenna? It's an order of magnitude or two faster than an HDD. If you want to go a bit further, copy your OS/files to a ramdisk on boot, then boot from ram.
 
5:58 AM
STORAGE
$0.00
Western Digital Green 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM
 
@Aaron3468 I was thinking I might get a few more SSDs and put them in a RAID 0
 
@AlexCerry yes
@AlexCerry That means that I already had it prior to building the computer. So the cost was zero.
 
Probably should have put some thermal paste on that CPU
 
6:16 AM
I did, that was before I put the paste on.
Alright, 25b digits of Pi. That will max out my memory.
 
Add a credit or debit card to Wallet to start using Apple Pay.
nope
also the whole loop of getting the right development setup now with a new phone
 
6:38 AM
Can I find my phone's UDID without plugging my device
Short answer: no
Long answer: only if you download apps to show it
that's like I asking a person "what's your name" and being told "go to a police station to find it out"
or "find someone else who knows me, and (s)he will tell you"
 
7:07 AM
It's not exactly the phone's name though. For practical purposes the IMEI is sufficient. But the UDID is a semi-secret piece of tracking data, so that would be like asking the police to see your criminal record, not your name.
 
but it's safe to display it on itune?
 
Yeah, I mean it mostly exists so apple can help advertisers find/track your phone when it connects to their apps or websites. Apple's a bit bipolar about how much freedom users and developers should have, but it's not a harmful number. There's just good reason to keep ordinary users from seeing it (because it is used to invade privacy by deanonymizing traffic, and people would get very angry if it were public knowledge)
 
@Mysticial when i was 15 on that time i do benchmark with 6200GT.
which broken after 2 week.
heat up color line come on screen.
 
7:22 AM
Whoa this is cool!
 
I think I should like Apple a little bit more, after all they did give me a new (albeit same model) phone for free today
 
7:57 AM
Sup guise
 
8:21 AM
Hm, I have a std::chrono::nanoseconds object and needs to check if its absolute value does not exceed 1 minute.
Oh hey, there's std::chrono::abs!
Oh bummer, only since C++17.
 
nwp
 
Ven
9:00 AM
Hi
 
Guise, we need both XML and binary serialization for a set of objects
I'm thinking of designing an abstraction layer that allows multiple backends based on some serialization libs
 
I'd introduce a couple funcitons and verbibols to handle this
 
Does anyone had to handle such a scenario as well (I'm sure there is)?
 
@Rerito rapidxml.
 
that's not the question
 
9:13 AM
@Rerito Sorry i understand wrong. You to serialize data. So problem is what?
@Rerito you can use boost.
 
except I don't want to use boost for that
 
@Rerito you do not want to use 3rd party library?
 
oh god
This is an architecture question
not a which framework/3rd party tool should I use question
 
@Rerito ooohh. Can you tell me in simple words so i can learn something?
 
Ven
9:18 AM
@Rerito If I were @sehe I'd recommend you use Boost's Propert... I mean Boost.XML.
 
@Rerito If I were you I'd use libframework
 
Ven
"Oui boooon, y'a eu un mort MAIS ne vous inquietez pas, on a tout nettoyé, on ne voit """presque"""" plus rien !" -… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/844839645225480195
 
@Ven wtf how did he died
 
Ven
he die*
 
nope
died, clearly
 
Ven
9:23 AM
nope
I guess he pulled a Claude François.
 
you said he didn't die, then why does the tweet said he died?
I think you have serious reading comprehension issues
 
Ven
nice drugs
 
9:37 AM
@fredoverflow I'd also hate to say this, but not a good answer imo. Solution is as flexible, requires a list of ranges that you can find the length for, and I'd say the unit tests are more of a distraction from the actual answer. :(
 
Ven
10:14 AM
My C++ teacher is asking "why are you allowed to implement a virtual pure function".
Guess Im gonna have to seek stuff in the standard related to class :[.
If only @griwes or @Morwenn were here...
 
nwp
@Ven "Because you can call it and then you need it" is not a good enough answer?
 
Ven
He'll just say I'm wrong for being wrong
 
10:28 AM
@Ven There's a GOTW about that IIRC.
 
Ven
@Morwenn I linked to "§15.4/10 class.dtor"
 
Enjoy.
 
Ven
A bit too late, I can't edit messages.
> Je trouve ce code un peu étrange.. Tu définis le destructeur comme virtuel pur, puis tu définis quand même une implémentation. Je ne suis pas sur que cette écriture soit standard? Et donc acceptée par tous les compilateurs (et par tous les développeurs). As-tu une source qui la décris?
I gave you a link already last time tho .-.
 
lol
What an idiot.
 
Ven
C++ teacher here.
It's a bit annoying tbh.
 
10:30 AM
2 for the price of 1 - buy a fish & get a saw:
Sawfishes, also known as carpenter sharks, are a family of rays characterized by a long, narrow, flattened rostrum, or nose extension, lined with sharp transverse teeth, arranged so as to resemble a saw. Several species of sawfishes can grow to about 7 m (23 ft). The family as a whole is largely unknown and little studied. The Pristidae are the only living family within the order Pristiformes, whose name comes from the Ancient Greek: πρίστης prístēs "saw, sawyer". Sawfishes should not be confused with sawsharks (order Pristiophoriformes), or the extinct sclerorhynchids (order Sclerorhynchiformes...
maybe the fish's previous life was a lumberjack
 
@Ven If you're looking for wording, you're out of luck: chances are that wording does not specifically forbid virtual pure functions to have an implementation.
 
Ven
@Morwenn I was looking for wording that dtors are required to have an impl even if pure virtual.
And I linked to said wording in my last message :).
 
Seen that, but I don't know shit about these rules :D
 
Ahaha, brilliant
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> If this definition were not supplied, you could still derive classes from B but they could never be instantiated
 
10:33 AM
I hardly ever use virtual at all :/
 
but I have to say I also didn't think about this case
 
@Morwenn Are you even a professional C++ programmer
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz
 
Or just a hobby one
 
I mean it sounds like a hack to be honest
 
10:34 AM
@Columbo I never wrote a line of C++ professionally.
 
@Morwenn Welcome in da club.
 
:D
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz Something in C++ sounding like a hack? I don't believe you.
 
Visual C++ had this nonstandard "abstract" keyword that made it way clearer
 
@Morwenn And that's why you didn't meet a crapload of virtual :D
 
10:34 AM
> P0611R0 - More Better Operators
 
Ven
yes but = 0 was easier to add than a keyword :).
@Morwenn jeez these titles are getting out of control!
I gather it's the "operator> again" proposal?
 
@Rerito Surely :D
@Ven It's by the chair of SG6.
 
@Ven eh. The fact that the destructor is used there is still a corner case
abstract classes with no virtual functions aren't that common, in my opinion
 
Re the EU's new data protection regulation I mentioned a few days ago, I think Google is going to need to change a lot. /cc @wilx
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz they can be virtual but not pure.
 
10:36 AM
@Ven mmm
 
^ that sounds like implicit consent to me.
 
okay
So it's an abstract class with no pure virtual methods
 
Ven
yes.
 
mmmmmaybe
 
Hey, there's already a paper to remove more deprecated shit in C++20 :D
 
10:37 AM
I still wouldn't call that guy an "idiot" (if only because I never thought about it :D)
@Morwenn yep, it's probably gonna be dismissed
 
Plus, that "before you continue" crap says you cannot use the service if you don't agree, which the GDPR also forbids.
IOW fuck Google.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz I think @R.MartinhoFernandes thinks a teacher should have a better grasp on things ;-).
 
well that's for sure
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm unsure about that. They did remove many deprecated things from C++17. At least compared to what they removd before (nothing?).
 
Like, now I can't even search until I accept their stupid data collection terms.
 
10:39 AM
@Morwenn the reason 2 is meh btw
I'd never do that. I'd name the default helper differently.
I think it would be too confusing to do it the way they propose
 
@Ven déjà petit con tu mets une espace avant la ponctuation composée sinon je te renifle au visage
tu lui rep ça il va se calmer cet enfoiré
 
Ven
@SpongyFruitcake J'admets y avoir pensé. J'eu un grincement de dents.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. Regular C++ teacher in France.
 
CS teaching is just terribad in france it seems
 
@SpongyFruitcake s/in France//
 
10:42 AM
Sep 14 '12 at 11:13, by Cicada
Also my C++ teacher does not know the difference between int const foo(); and int foo() const;. Or have I ranted about this already.
never forget
 
@SpongyFruitcake wow
well that's way above average. Or below
 
@SpongyFruitcake niceeeee
 
now if only this cicada person were still here for more crunchy anecdotes
 
Ven
@SpongyFruitcake on va former un club
 
@SpongyFruitcake With C++17 you could confuse him even more with ref qualifiers
 
Ven
10:43 AM
@SpongyFruitcake cicada :noel:
 
I remember when I couldn't use C99 because « it's not supported by every compiler » (aka MSVC), but we did use POSIX APIs without a problem. Quality teaching.
 
Ven
Sep 14 '12 at 11:14, by sehe
@Cicada Girl!
the beginning of a love story
 
Mar 3 '15 at 4:50, by Park Young-Bae
I once asked the teacher that "thaught" C++: "why don't you teach C++11?" His answer: "the compilers are difficult to install, and besides, what's the difference with regular C++ anyway?"
DIFFICULT TO INSTALL
 
Ven
The only thing I brew are beers.
 
10:44 AM
he probably uses Kubuntu 4
 
Ven
CentOS 3
 
@BartekBanachewicz Windows 7 and some Fedora, I forget which.
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes porn private window
 
@nwp This is what you get in porn mode.
Note this ^
 
nwp
at least it lets you use search
 
10:46 AM
what a privilege
 
@nwp Not if I don't accept this!
There's no way to avoid this window.
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
user1804599
AWS is nice.
 
user1804599
So far.
 
(Well, I could CSS it away, but that's not an official option)
 
10:47 AM
So, what about your low latency brotocols @SpongyFruitcake?
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you want to sign in without accepting their terms? Because not signing in and not agreeing and being able to search works fine in porn mode.
 
@Rerito plenty of crunchy anecdotes but can't say those in a public chat
 
@nwp There's no "not agree" button.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There is, that little cross-shaped button at the top of the window.
 
@SpongyFruitcake Which window? The browser window?
 
10:48 AM
Yes.
 
Because the "before you continue" window has no close button.
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes but there is the "not agree"-option of using the service without agreeing. Not good enough?
 
@nwp Where?
If I search, I get this popup.
Can't get to the results before I agree.
 
nwp
if I open google.com regularly I get the "Before you continue" that blocks everything, but if I open it in porn mode I just get regular google search with a "privacy reminder" that I can ignore.
 
@nwp Across the three browsers I have on these two machines, I can't find a pattern. Sometimes I get just the reminder, sometimes the thing that blocks me. Porn or no porn doesn't seem to affect it :/
DNT on/off doesn't seem to matter either.
Cleared cookies, and what was a blocker is now just a reminder :\
I'm really confused.
 
nwp
10:58 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought porn mode essentially had it's own cookie place.
 
ARGH, every site these days has google analytics bullshit even FF's options pages :<
Open a fresh FF in a blank page, go to options > Privacy > Cookies and there is a google.com cookie already there.
Unbelievable.
@nwp That said, the "reminder" is implicit consent. It doesn't mean you didn't accept the terms. It just means you didn't do it explicitly.
Heck they even set a cookie named CONSENT
 
Godsent and consent clearly have a shared etymology
@SpongyFruitcake Arguably, it is, for him
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes encrypted.google.com seems to work without block or reminder or porn mode
 
It just gives even more implicit consent.
It's not a "not agree" option.
 
Ven
11:16 AM
> Cicada, a hobby chess engine written in Rust
 
nwp
so duckduckgo it is, with the option of sneaking a !g to the front in case you get desperate
 
Ven
@SpongyFruitcake Ça te va bien, "moteur d'échecs en rouille" :-).
 
Hum, I'll need to write a better version of the std::get_temporary_buffer API since it might be removed in a somewhat near future.
 
malloc in a loop until it succeeds :D
 
@Morwenn someone actually used that, oh my
 
11:27 AM
@milleniumbug Nah, I mean a proper RAII version of the API x)
@Mgetz It's used in the implementation of std:inplace_merge, which takes advantage of available memory if available, but can live without it.
 
simple fix, return std:pair<std::unique_ptr<void*, free_deleter>, std::size_t>
 
Which means that depending on the available memory, it makes between n and n log n operations.
@milleniumbug That's pretty much it, but having a temporary_buffer and let it be is also handy since the constructor would handle the memory allocation :p
 
11:41 AM
Looking at the issues the committee is still fixing, I wonder whether C++17 is ready x)
 
@milleniumbug christ
 
> To boldly suggest a pub crawl for C++ Toronto
> Various people have lamented our lack of direction, and that we don't have a pub crawl for the next meeting (or beyond). This paper aims to remedy the situation.
Genius.
 
F5 devices are pretty fascinating
 
11:59 AM
There's a proposal to not require typename where a type and nothing else is obviously expected.
That's pretty cool.
 
@Morwenn they have until December 31st
 
@Mgetz Wasn't C++14 released in January 2015? :p
 
@Morwenn yes but it had final approval in December, AFAIK there were no actual changes after the 31st
 
12:14 PM
<codecvt> has a sad history :/
 
12:30 PM
if the world is taken over by self driving cars, will there still be terrorist attacks using automobiles?
 
Why use cars when you can make homemade flying bombs with drones?
 
I mean hackers can still change car settings, but it will be harder
@Morwenn coz drone lifting power is limited
 
@Telkitty I guess we can make small bombs too, can't we?
As long as you can move it to your target, it should work.
 
Smaller bombs are less destructive.
 
Terrorism doesn't have to be destructive to work.
 
12:34 PM
(Pedestrian: we thought we felt a loud fart behind us but then we discovered its the explosion of a tiny bomb delivered by the DIY drone)
the terrorist who made the bomb will be forever known as ... 'the fart maker'
 
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