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1:22 AM
 
/cc @jaggedSpire
 
Same idiot that knew that (a) that's way too similar not to be confused and (b) that you treat non-human animals en general not just dogs there.
 
Can a vet treat a human?
 
"Can?" Yes. "Should?" No.
 
It not unusual for a doctor in the US to make $200k+, using a vet is surely more cost effective
 
1:30 AM
but you'dn't want one would you
 
depends who is paying
 
your public healthcare plan obviously
(o wait you're from USA)
 
trumpcare
no he does not care >_<
 
Fuck, I'm converting some CUDA code from a research paper. They have a mysterious single item device array that is passed to the kernel, and isn't use. If I don't pass the array everything is fine. BUT if I don't allocate the array (using thrust or malloc) they kernel gives an "unspecified launch failure". I'm not even passing the single element array to the function. WTF is going on.
 
> >programming
 
1:43 AM
THERE IS NO GOD
 
clearly, yes
 
idk, either check the PTX or the sacrificial ram
 
@Mikhail Don't question the black box. Preserve the magic number for future generations or everything will fall into chaos.
 
@Borgleader ^_^
 
The array isn't used anywhere, the fucking static analyzer is telling me to remove it. But if I remove it I get a repeatable unspecified kernel launch failures.
 
1:45 AM
But honestly it sounds like it might be a poorly-documented way of changing the kernel's mode using memory-mapped registers or something.
On a lot of devices, allocation to certain memory has side effects.
 
@Mikhail I N C R E D I B L E
 
I'm freaking out
 
@jaggedSpire :D
 
@Borgleader :D
I love dogs
They're just so delightful
 
so are you <3
 
2:01 AM
@Mikhail Maybe there is a god, and your are god's toy. </trollololo>
 
@Mikhail Time to read docs for CUDA and your kernel... I think it's the volatile keyword that specifies innocuous code which carries side effects. Try putting it on that line to let the compiler know it needs to be there.
 
@Borgleader <3 <3 <3 no u
Hm
So earlier this evening while I was keeping an eye on the new questions queue, somebody posted a question that went, "There's a piece of software for Linux that I use and really like, but at the moment no one is maintaining it. I'm willing to maintain it, would you use it?"
This was naturally downvoted and closed very fast, as opinion based.
 
2:18 AM
sigh ppl not be reading the guidelines for SO
 
But OP actually did what you're supposed to do, and removed the opinion question, picked out a less opinion based question he also wanted answered, which was "how do I start maintaining this package I really like"
and edited his post to reflect that one
 
That's still broad though
 
Thank you
It seemed off to me, but I couldn't put my finger on how
 
Thats like "How do I develop my first program" or something
If you can write a book on it, it's too broad ;)
 
Ah, well
Thanks :)
I suggested he ask somewhere a more conversational approach to information exchange is encouraged
I almost mentioned chat, but he deleted it while I was trying to figure out how to say "Lounge will eat you alive if you don't obey the rules or irritate people"
 
2:32 AM
@jaggedSpire "Your question might fit well on Yahoo! Answers" :-)
 
@JerryCoffin lol ouch
 
@jaggedSpire Too mean? Maybe Quora?
 
nah, mean is how we roll
at least for people that don't read the rules
 
@jaggedSpire Not me (I generally roll with the median).
 
@JerryCoffin know anyone who goes with the mode?
 
2:41 AM
@jaggedSpire Not offhand (but rightfold seems to go with pretty much the anti-mode, so to speak--find the one thing everybody else wishes they could forget, and preach it as a panacea).
 
heh
 
3:02 AM
daily red panda video /cc @Borgleader @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Ven @Xeo
 
So, when I run my code with Nsight, it doesn't show any errors and runs to completion, when I run the debug build from the cmd it keeps giving an "unspecified kernel launch failure".
 
fun
 
infinite loop of support hell, way to reduce your life next to meaningless
I should spend more time these two months in the ocean rock pools chasing baby squid & puffer fish
 
3:17 AM
One of my professors preaches Walkabout as a great movie...
 
best with underwater cam that is supposed to arrive in the next week or so
 
@Mysticial Can I disable, or configure, L3 cache sharing on Xeons? I think I'm having a cache thrashing issue.
 
You can on Broadwell-EP.
And a subset of Haswell-EP chips as well.
 
Yeah it's Broadwell EP, but I'm not really finding the Linux docs to do so.
I assume you need a very recent kernel
 
4:26 AM
lol, this is interesting - searching for 'ios app icon guidelines' and 'ios app icon guideline' return different result sets
 
 
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5:56 AM
So, is there any advantage in terms of optimizations a compiler can perform when capturing variables in a lambda as opposed to passing them as arguments?
 
6:14 AM
A lambda is just an object with an operator() method.
 
I know what, but I'm not sure which one I should choose. The old method was to have large #defines, in the critical sections, to ensure to compiler got all the info it needed. I'm hoping I can replace them with lambdas...
 
@Mikhail a #define is quite unlike an argument
pointing the obvious here
 
Depends. It's probably the same if the function/lambda isn't aligned.
It's just that lambdas can't be force-inlined.
 
I have this mistrust in the ability of compilers to inline optimally. I recall getting marginal speeds up in ICC (2012?) when I dumped everything into #defines...
 
That's what force-inline is for.
 
6:18 AM
Do you trust it?
 
yes
 
I would just look at the thing under Godbolt but its CUDA...
 
When you say force-inline, the compiler will either inline it, or spit out a warning. In the past few years, there's only been one case where it silently did not inline. And that was a bug in ICC which was easy to work-around.
 
Vim wants to force me to use an actual tab character to indent things nicely
 
And the only time I've tried to force-inline something that was possible to inline and the compiler couldn't do it was MSVC not being able to inline functions that return user-defined objects with some weird combination of copy/move constructors.
And in those cases, it isn't performance critical anyway.
 
6:22 AM
Okay but on a conceptual level, lambdas can carry state so they can't always be inlined (generally)?
 
same as objects and non-static member functions :v
 
6:48 AM
anyone? 1000 $/ 1200 W
 
7:47 AM
@LucDanton hmm?
@Mikhail depends on which vet. I'm sure some vets make more than that
 
a. that site is a popup ridden mess
b. it shows [exactly zero figures](http://imgur.com/a/QppfK)
c. I'm still sure some make more than $200k. Easily
 
The BLS reports that veterinarians earned a median salary of $88,490 in 2015. The best-paid veterinarians earned $158,260, while the lowest-paid earned $53,210. Veterinarians working in scientific research tend to be among the highest-paid. Top-paying metropolitan areas include Honolulu; Springfield, Massachusetts; and New Haven, Connecticut.
 
In a kinder world, the compiler would throw a facepalm error. "Are you sure you want to delete a stack object?"
and then you'd have to compile with -fuckit
 
8:00 AM
@Mikhail uckit meaning ultimate chair-keyboard interface tradeoff
 
also -ffs
 
My team wants to implement a kind of DRM strategy to our lib
To make sure the users (which are all located in the company) are authenticated and running a "valid" version of the lib
(We want to enforce expiry dates)
They seem to think the crypto part is trivial
 
you need to buy a hard lock from Aladdin
 
(hint: it's not)
 
crypto is trivial if you buy it from somebody
 
8:03 AM
Indeed, but heh, it's gonna be DIY
(piggybacked on smth such as openssl)
 
That is also trivial, just type in -lssl and -lcrypto, the last part is often missed :-)
 
@Rerito lel. It is. As long as you don't need to be able to trust it. :)
 
@sehe Huehuehue
 
TBH it's not overly hard to make a challenge/response system that requires a valid license to pass. But yeah, the pitfalls is ending up with a system that basically sends a gold-encrusted boolean "is_valid_license=true" across the line in a slightly obfuscated manner
 
If someone is savvy enough to replace the code making such checks at library load, there must be a way to detect the binaries had been tampered with
 
Ven
8:09 AM
Hi=true
 
Which is basically how game "cracks" were made in the old days :')
 
@Rerito tampered*, yes
@Rerito The question is what are you defending from
Who's the audience. What are the stakes (for them, mainly)
 
The stakes are to make sure no one uses an outdated version of the library
 
Much software is pretty safe from piracy. Which explains how many software products are actually or basically free
 
(dev version would have a very short lifespan such as a week or so)
 
8:11 AM
@Rerito That's the goal. Not the stakes
 
the stakes is having dev version run in production without us beeing aware of
or people not updating and running frigging 3 years old versions
(which is a nigthmare from a support pov)
 
In that case, you shouldn't need to worry about tamper-proofing (or including the binary signature in the challenge response signature, basically)
(what is at stake: do your pirates stand to gain thousands of dollars? hundreds? millions? Does your company stand to lose millions?)
 
and people using the lib are software developers
So they may be savvy enough to edit the binaries to avoid such challenge being executed
 
@Rerito That's basic telemetry. You could collect that, unless systems are fully off line. In which case you could simply limit the functionality to a date (EOL date)
Hint: I don't know what product you guys have. Which is why I ask.
 
It's a pricing library integrated into several ERPs across the bank
 
8:15 AM
@Rerito Also, the problem goes away if they actually need/use support. If they call for support, you check the version and the license. Or you make the lib free and charge for support.
@Rerito Thanks
 
"clients" are all internal to the bank
so our software never leaves the bank
but the new "DRM" policy we have to implement should make sure the lib is not run in a system outside the bank
That requirement was expressed by my boss
 
If profitability isn't a major concern, but it's more about tracking usage, I'd opt for telemetry + EOL checking. If people are motivated enough to circumvent that, then you have other problems (why do people not want to upgrade?)
 
You shouldn't bother with technical measures; just say in the support contract that you won't support versions once they get older than X months. If they care they will upgrade.
 
@sehe are you familiar with the syntax for Vim help files?
 
@Rerito Geez. Back to the original
@LucDanton Not really. It's the simples, but other than that...
 
8:17 AM
Gather the serial number of the hardware and white list on an external server... But I'm not sure how to protect against binary attacks. When I deployed OCL kernels, one way was to encrypt them.
 
@sehe Huh?
 
@Rerito You went from "DRM" to "it's about internal clients only and to have supportability/manageability". And now it's back to DRM for commercial purposes again. That was... unnecessarily confusing.
 
It is
I am not even sure of what the requirements truly are
 
@Mikhail Yeah. Snake oil again. We too do that, but it wouldn't stop myself, if I were motivated.
@Rerito So much is becoming clear :)
 
@sehe long story short, you end a code block with a > in the first column of the next line. if you want to use that line for normal text, you go on as normal from there. but that initial > will be ignored (which is unlike concealing), so everything on that line is shifted one to the left. you can add one space and everything looks fine with ft=help but off by one with ft=text/when editing the line. or you can just put one tab
I lied it’s not short at all
 
8:19 AM
That last requirement "no one outside the bank should be able to run our lib" was expressed kinda... unclearly
 
Sounds like managerial wishful thinking
 
Exactly
If that requirement holds, it's far less trivial than they think
 
@LucDanton That's crummy. Totally Vim-like
 
I guess we would have to set up a proper PKI to authenticate users and product versions
 
I ended up deciding to leave those lines otherwise blank and thus add vertical space to the text, lol
 
8:21 AM
And then... Manage it (that's gonna be a good time explaining)
 
@Rerito Depends on what "should not be able" means. In untampered form, that's not too hard. But ... given enough motivation most things can be circumvented, which is why:
10 mins ago, by sehe
@Rerito The question is what are you defending from
It's a very different question from "What does management want to prevent".
@LucDanton Would be my preference too. Blank lines work pretty well in plain text anyways
 
@sehe Since we currently have no strategy to implement that "unclear requirement", I think we can settle with something that can make sure clients are running a valid, untampered version of our lib
 
Obviously, there will be a signature involved in the exchange to validate the user's version
But then again, how can I prevent the said user to just wipe out the validation code from the binaries
 
8:46 AM
you need a hardlock key
 
9:35 AM
@isaacinspace maybe your next book could be set in a world where no one has a sense of humour any more. You could call it "Twitter"
oh my
Trump is quite a caricature
@BartekBanachewicz No they're not
Damn. I fell for the joke
 
Fun fact, CUDA kernels running on the device use memory addresses starting at 0
 
I love this guys' music
 
@orlp what an obvious rip-off of the Chopin etude. And it sounds like midi rendering
 
@sehe he quotes a lot from chopin
but I like chopin so vOv
as for midi rendering, I don't believe that's the case, having listened to the rest
 
I get very very much put off by the inane theme material. Much Richard Clayderman
 
9:45 AM
although I don't know which song you're referring to as bandcamp autoplays a random one
 
@orlp Yup the passage I reached now is clearly recorded, but the return of the opening "theme" (ugh) gives me exactly the same vibe. And the fact he can't play the 6th-s in the slow passage evenly, makes me wonder how the hell the intro/closing sound so even :)
 
@sehe still don't know which song you're referring to :P
 
@orlp "Etude on a nimbus"
So the reference was at least overt.
 
@sehe try 'Void' it's my favourite of the bunch
 
Trying now
 
9:47 AM
(the album is also titled Void for that reason I guess)
 
Much better. That's a concert pedal right there. I spy a Bosendorfer extended bass section. But... the later passage doesn't give me Bosendorfer vibe. Maybe... Yamaha. Yamaha it is.
 
And needs a tuner. I'd say this is nice. Would not be surprised if some minor (very minor) overdub hath taken place. And loads of editing.
 
@sehe regardless of the recording, what about the composition?
 
@Ven I was gonna say that looks like awesome debug tooling. But then I realized you posted it because it's unintended exposure?
 
> Pattern not found: mafgle
 
Ven
and yeah, I'm just laughing because they left everything debug enabled in prod.
 
@orlp Much less vacuous than the Etude. Still a bit random (you know how classical music gets dissed for "note diarrhea"? That Etude track really suffers from that)
 
@sehe I also really like this song: redblank.bandcamp.com/track/the-sad-goblin
bit of a mixup of Chopin Op 9 no 1 and moment musicaux 4 from rachmaninoff
 
9:55 AM
@sehe I figure that's because classical school can learn you composition, modes, melodies, etc, but fundamentally they can't teach you what makes a good flowing song in the end
 
It has nothing to do with school
 
@orlp nice album thx!
 
It's for the same kind of reason that many people with a brain will do nothing but Netflix and Reddit
 
@Ven wait what
if you scroll down it's css-transformed
 
Ven
@orlp looks amazing, right?
 
10:00 AM
Just encountered this in some old legacy code:
(n2 - n1) / ((2^16) * (r2 - r1))
That XOR looks highly suspicious.
 
Ven
:D
 
what context
but ye that looks suspicious :D
 
From the context it seems like the intention was a left bit-shift.
So yeah it's wrong.
 
how did that get undetected though
there's no way it does what it's supposed to somewhat
 
It dates back to 2003.
 
10:05 AM
looks like a number scaling function, maybe convert a uint16 to a float? Ie, ((b-a)/(max-min))
 
It calculates a value that is displayed as a stat somewhere. The result is not used in other logic.
 
@StackedCrooked ah
 
derp, when sending email to landlord, the address of the property helps
 
@StackedCrooked very
@orlp probably ported from some other language or prototyped in some kind of REPL or Excel etc.
@Rerito As always, given enough motivation, they will get around it. Simply put, if the CPU needs to be able to execute instructions, they need to be descrypted. Which means reverse engineering can see it too. It's just raising the bar.
The upshot is: you can only make it hard enough to discourage people. But if the stakes are high enough you have only the legal approach left, because it would become economically feasible to hack it anyhow.
Just look at other vendors. All they do is have a department that tracks piracy forums, trackers etc. for cracks and send cease-and-desists for them.
 
10:24 AM
time to 'completely pursue user-centric infomediaries'
 
11:05 AM
have anyone got stack overflow because of shared_ptr destructors and deep-recursive data-structure ?
 
it's a danger of smart pointers
you can avoid that by rejigging the destructor to flatten the deep-recursive data-structure into a flatter data structure
 
wow, Azure really is a twat to try to use
 
@ratchetfreak Well, I ought to allocate some additional space for flattened representation in destructor ?
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
@Ven
 
11:33 AM
@Ven ahahahahhahah
 
@eucpp not necessarily. In a linked list you can do:
shared_ptr<Node> current = head;
head.reset();
while(current){
    current = std::move(current->next());
}
 
@Rerito That is a trivial requirement to fulfill.
 
11:55 AM
@rightfold There's something with that many lvels of pointers in Boost. But only for error messages.
Like **********this_is_the_message_you_should_read**********
 
Ven
12:31 PM
@rightfold Box<Box<T>>
 
12:47 PM
 
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Q: Display bitmaps in OS programming

redharpoonprogI would like to know how to display a bitmap in c++. I am writing an OS, so please take that into consideration. As my research says, this is what it would be like: #include <Some_graphics_library> using namespace std; int main () { intialize_image(my_image); blit(my_image, posx, posy, w...

There seems to be some confusion here?
 
@LucDanton rping hard
y'avait du bon RP sur GW2
 
1:07 PM
the code that you wrote ... used to work perfectly, then you touched it again and it all fell apart
 
nwp
... but luckily you have unit tests that tell you what exactly broke and version control to go back to the point where it worked, making it easy to see what went wrong. And then reality hits you and you hate yourself.
 
@nwp Or your source control is shit, making your life so miserable you want to kill yourself
 
this is the kind of thing that gives me depression
I can go back to the previous version
 
seems reasonable, thx
by the way, I think Herb Sutter mentioned something like this on his cppcon16 talk
 
but still ... there could be excuses for not understand other people's code, there is no excuse for not understanding your own
 
1:26 PM
@eucpp another way is while(!empty()){pop_any();}
 
1:42 PM
@Ven hmm?
 
Ven
@sehe wanted you to bin or move the messages
 
oh
 
2:16 PM
Please, a Macro if possible. — Danijel 22 mins ago
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Sadness intensifies
 
2:31 PM
@Borgleader lmao
My research shows that an OS can simply be made with #include <some_os_library>. — Bartek Banachewicz 6 secs ago
 
2:42 PM
@Ven done
 
Ven
ty.
 
mod abuse
 
heee
 
@CheukKinSing hi
 
hello
 
nwp
2:54 PM
@CheukKinSing I feel sorry for moderators too.
 
Ven
@CheukKinSing comment va le grillon ?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, there is includeOS where you simply write #include <os> :p
 
@Morwenn Holy fuck that's incredible
 
3:09 PM
Granted it's not an OS in the traditional sense of the word, and more of a framework for bare-metal (or bare-VM) applications.
 
-9
Q: What this thing is called in application development of c#?

Zain Mustafai am having issues with this please watch my problem in this picture, please help me with my logic thank you logic problem

/cc @Mysticial Title of the day candidate
 
the content is also golden
but -1 for no hand drawn arrows
 
Ven
@Borgleader /r/titlegore
 
never leave your mail
 
This is nice.
 
nwp
3:26 PM
My caps-lock is functionally a shift, because generally when I hit caps-lock I mean shift and not escape.
 
Ven
caps lock is meant to be control!
 
Should I apply for C++ job or should I keep the current one that deals mostly with Java and testing?
 
nwp
lets agree to disagree start a flamewar to find out who is right!
 
Ven
caps lock is meant to be both control and escape.
 
capslock is an abomination that should never has seen the light of day
 
3:33 PM
yay for changing the subnet of a vm and breaking access to it
 
Ven
it's a very useful key to remap.
ctrl on a laptop is far too annoying to use.
 
@wilx Who needs testing?
 
@ratchetfreak BUT IT MAKES WRITING NICE MESSAGES SO MUCH EASIER :O
 
@Morwenn starbaiting again?
 
@EtiennedeMartel right? just write proofs instead
 
@Rerito Nah.
 
Ven
3:55 PM
@Morwenn YOU DON'T NEED THAT CRUISE CONTROL YOU'RE COOL ALREADY
 
How many people died because of the US gov's "WMD" lies you helped spread? Oh, we have an answer: More than 1 milli… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/821487047970029568
Why Obama pardons and commutes people in his last days of presidency? Because apres nous le deluge?
 
@Ven I don't need control.
 
Ven
ANARCHY
 
Just let me take the boat to the UK first.
 
4:11 PM
@Abyx He seems to do it about once a year justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons.
Almost once a month since January 2016.
@Abyx Aka, nothing to see here.
 
I just about know what I'm doing
 
@Borgleader nice lol
 
@Abyx Also, it's not unusual at all for Presidents to issue clemency actions during their last days of office. Bill Clinton did it on his very last day (justice.gov/pardon/clinton-pardons), and George W. Bush did it on January 1st (justice.gov/pardon/gwbush-pardons).
 
@Borgleader lol. I bet those downvotes are all because of the macro requirement. Otherwise it's a legitimate question.
 
4:41 PM
@Mysticial Definitely, and last time I checked OP never explained why a macro was a requirement. Only "plz a macro if possible" which made it worse somehow (smells of cargo cult / ~muh performance~)
 
4:51 PM
@Borgleader the fact that they are munging into floating point exponents lends credence to that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I considered it news only for the fact that it wasn't a Snowden pardon
@Abyx I don't think you're being quite negative enough. Try harder.
Ironically, if anything should be under the "après nous" nomer (unintentially) it would be that the presidential war powers have been expanded over his time. He obviously assumed only cool headed presidents would come after him. That's ... unfortunate in hindsight
 
@sehe given the fact it's highly likely that Snowden was working for the FSB prior to his defection... I consider a pardon highly unlikely. The only thing separating Snowden from Peltier is that Snowden made things public.
 
Oh. I concur. I mean, that would have made it remarkable. Now, not so much.
 
Dvorak words may sound hard to pronounce, but studies show they actually put less stress on the vocal chords.
11
 
5:08 PM
@sehe I don't look to obama for remarkable, I look to obama for 'measured'
 
5:19 PM
Is anyone free to help with a query in C? The C chat is deed af
 
in C++ Questions and Answers, Aug 30 '16 at 7:36, by milleniumbug
You don't ask a question because room is empty? Well, it's empty because you haven't asked the question!
 
Ven
Wrong room for questions.
 
:)) Fair play
ahh i got the room now
 
@sehe IMO, it was unfortunate, full stop. When we design software, we design the system to be resilient to errors, not crash the first time the user presses a key that might have been wrong (and this is the sort of system that should be at least as resilient).
 
@JerryCoffin Hahaha, nice joke.
 
5:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Granted, it might crash the second time they press the wrong key, but we don't intentionally design it to crash on the first typo.
 
5:55 PM
HTTPServer or HttpServer and why?
 
@Abyx http_server, because it's the right thing to do. The fact that it pisses off Java zealots is merely a happy accident.
 
@JerryCoffin good point. but my coding style requires ThisCase
 
@Abyx In that case, HttpServer, because demarcation trumps capitalization of an individual piece.
 
Ell
@Abyx then you have chosen the wrong style :P
 
HTTPSServer
HTTPSSServer
HTTPSSSServer
 
Ell
6:08 PM
HTTPSS: HTTPSS Server
 
Load averages on my machine atm O_O
 
it's amazing the number of people that think they are smarter than the standards committee
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nazi HTTPS Server?
 
@wilx could also be Super Sport
 
Xeo
I wish YT Red was available in Germany
@R.MartinhoFernandes Red means faster, right?
 
This may avoid deadlock but would not solve race condition problem as 2 mutexes would not be locked atomically. — Slava 3 mins ago
this guy really must think he's smarter than the committee
 
@Xeo What's on it that is not on the regular one?
 
Xeo
Mind Field, for example :P
 
@Mgetz As a general rule, the intelligence of a committee is inversely proportional to the number of members on that committee.
 
6:29 PM
@JerryCoffin true, but the intelligence of someone addressing something already brutally hashed over by the committee is even lower
 
nwp
The other general rule is that when it comes to intelligence, going even lower is always possible.
5
 
@nwp Hehe.
 
The other rule about intelligence is that you don't fucking define it formally.
 
Ven
@Xeo they made a list of places you could get their TV show if you weren't in a YT red-friendly area.
 
Xeo
Buying through Google Play, yay...
 
Ven
6:35 PM
the first episode is free
 
Xeo
I saw that
3 bucks per episode... YT Red is what, 10 bucks a month?
 
Ven
get a taste :-)
something along those lines, yes
 
Xeo
I saw the episode, is what I meant :P
 
Ven
alright. liked it?
 
Xeo
yeah
 
6:36 PM
@nwp I would say there is a lower asymptote but there is military intelligence
 
7:00 PM
ogh boy..
 
@ProblemSlover I am getting vertigo just by looking at the picture.
 
@wilx Get out from your comfortable zone :_)
 
7:16 PM
@wilx Like those videos of people doing parkour at the top of skyscrapers.
I can hardly look at those more than a minute.
 
@ProblemSlover I have clicked on the picture here. That is as far as I am willing to go wrt/ heights.
 
@wilx What about high heels?
 
Oh, once, 2007, I stepped on a transparent tile when I was on Tokyo tower.
That's it. I am done.
@Morwenn Too high is too high even when I am not walking in them. :)
 
Hehe :D
 
7:26 PM
I want to code tonight, but I don't want to code tonight.
 
So... code half-heartedly?
 
I guess it won't do it :/
 
I want to sleep tonight :|
 
I guess I'll start the issue to get rid of post-increment and post-decrement operators. At least it's easy: wrap iterators to remove post-stuff, write a few tests, and watch the world burn.
 
7:48 PM
@ProblemSlover I feel sorry for those climbers, particularly when you realize most of the climbs are not pack in pack out climbs. So things will be coming in from above if you know what I mean.
 
7:59 PM
@Morwenn I know how you feel.
 
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