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12:05 AM
@ThePhD I endorse sharelatex.com for LaTeX projects.
Fast, easy, consistent. I do not have to fight to get my build environment back.
 
@Nican That would imply my teammates are helping me on this in real time. :B
 
I am not even thinking about the collaboration aspect. I just find it less of a hassle to use.
 
good nite gentlemen
 
night
 
> rgbImage
Over my dead fucking body.
rgb_image.
 
12:12 AM
lol
 
What's a good symbol for power of ?
 
How do you pronounce SQL?
 
12:22 AM
Does anyone have any idea for this ?
Find the maximal weighted independent set of a graph G = {V,E} where |E| <= |V| + 5 .
 
@ThePhD **
The ^ is awkward to reach from either finger.
@Alex meh. it's probably patented anyway :P
 
@StackedCrooked i didn't get you
 
@Mysticial good night! if you recall, you sent me that second screenshot, well to be honest it looks like i don't know enough yet to be able to decipher it (was (i.stack.imgur.com/TT5RC.png))
apparently i need to learn this stuff from the ground up
because, generally, i like this low level stuff and optimization, but lack knowledge severely
 
12:42 AM
@Alex What do you mean by "weighted independent set of a graph"?
 
vpmuludq sounds like something an aztec priest would say
 
12:58 AM
Where are all my group members. .-.
 
Not here
 
@ThePhD :3
 
@jaggedSpire Don't you do this to me. :<
 
In graph theory, an independent set or stable set is a set of vertices in a graph, no two of which are adjacent. That is, it is a set S of vertices such that for every two vertices in S, there is no edge connecting the two. Equivalently, each edge in the graph has at most one endpoint in S. The size of an independent set is the number of vertices it contains. Independent sets have also been called internally stable sets. A maximal independent set is either an independent set such that adding any other vertex to the set forces the set to contain an edge or the set of all vertices of the empty graph...
 
I didn't deserve this. I sent e-mails since way before the deadline and rounded everyone up way earlier than this.
 
1:07 AM
@ThePhD but you've been getting over your trauma so well!
you know what this calls for
 
qq pls
i beg you
 
...one of the songs from Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog!
let's go with this one
 
Oh god
LaTeX
I hit the save button
Don't tell me you're going to FREEZE because I hit save
 
lmao
 
Why. WHY. WHY I SAVED SO YOU WOULD NOT DO THIS TO ME
 
1:13 AM
we should have an automatic response to anything that reads "unresolved symbol" to say "your linkage changed, go find the library the function lives in and link to it"
 
@ThePhD tonight is not your night :(
 
i bet you at least half of all vs 2015 questions would get that auto response
 
ajdawdawdk HALF OF MY STRETCH GOALS ARE GONE AFTER TEH RESET AAH
Fuck this bullshit, Notepad all the way.
 
Notepad++
i can load a 4.78 mb text document up in notepad++ at work without any issues what so ever. edit, save, etc.
 
@iksemyonov The taller bars aren't as subtle.
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
Haven't used Windows in the last couple of years, but that sounds really bad.
 
There's some foundation for that statement, however it's not entirely realistic. Microsoft is however pretty aggressive about you upgrading your machine to 10.
 
Everybody was happy with XP. Why couldn't they keep it like that?
 
lots of reasons. And yes, XP was a hit back in the day. I attest I've seen it completely die @ work recently due to a virus deleting the system folder. That does not happen with later versions of windows. At least, the ones we use it doesn't.
The really sad part is it was one of our development machines :(
 
1:45 AM
Yeah, it was very vulnerable to malware. But I don't see why they abandoned the UI.
 
0oh, didn't you know? They intended to royally take a crap on anyone that didn't use a touch screen, like, um.. programmers. lol
I run 10 here at home on this machine. It does windows just fine.
 
I should try it. I briefly used 7 which was ok'ish.
 
the only really annoying part is half the settings moved to a metro settings app.. ... so half of the system is split between a classic control pannel plugin and this weirdly non full screen metro app
 
7 was the last good version of Windows.
 
@Mysticial that's what we use @ work
10 is usable though. Much more so than 8 or 8.1
it at least has the start button again.
 
1:53 AM
@Rapptz I seem to recall you could pass several signatures at once to a given .. function:: directive, but that’s not documented even though it looks like it works. does that ring a bell?
 
yeah you can do that
 
cool
 
that's a docutils thing
 
yeah but I thought what a directive accepts is per-directive
dang the two decls look very busy with each their own template introduction :( can’t be bothered to tweak the styles though
 
2:30 AM
@Mysticial subtle?
 
you're sharing your name now?
 
@johnathon you know as a part-time gamer i got to say that my installation of win10 had really high dpc latency so i'm still rocking win7, not to mention missing drivers for the scanner and printer
 
I used to be the only one who knew!
 
@iksemyonov as a part time gamer i have to say i have no problems with 10.
 
2:33 AM
@johnathon well, glad you don't :) sadly i had dpc of about 500
 
@iksemyonov but not having a working piece of hardware is a bummer all the way around
 
yep
in win7 the dpc latency is about 10-15
 
@Rapptz It doesn't matter anymore: every conference, employer, etc. is annoyed everytime they see "ThePhD".
I can hardly get away with it anymore. =/
 
@iksemyonov There are two causes to the bars. One if subtle, the other is more obvious.
 
well, gotta learn some more, i've found out that the instructions are "non-temporal loads" and though i spent some time reading about temporal a year ago, i still don't quite understand it
 
2:38 AM
I wonder if there's a way to nuke your entire git commit for a github repo.
 
you can nuke the github servers
with an atomic bomb
 
Snrk.
 
Ben
I made a song segment copy and paste engine.
 
WELP
SUBMITTED IT
IF MY TEAM MEMBERS WANT TO CHIME IN MAYBE THEY'LL ACTUALLY SEND ME AN E-MAIL.
I'm done.
 
@ThePhD git push --force
 
2:45 AM
@Mysticial in case you wonder what you're helping me optimize, it's here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B38rI56HTRqxU19ySWtNN1RuY2s
@Mysticial to be honest, i'm in need of advice gain: for some reason, in a new profile, scalar operations take more time that vector ones - is that normal?
 
@Rapptz but do you know Luc's name :lenny:
 
I mean, probably
 
don't think so
 
I do, unless it's another pun which I haven't solved
(which I kind of suspect)
 
3:09 AM
constexpr if is nice and all but why can’t I constexpr ternary conditional operator
 
because you suck
 
bool inner = true;
if constexpr(Copyable<position_t<Ctx>> && Saveable<subcontext_t>) {
    inner = …blah…;
}
that sure looks dumb
cba to use a lambda
 
3:23 AM
I must have run into this before but I don’t remember
 
 
2 hours later…
5:33 AM
@Rapptz not true. He leaked it to other people as well.
Dunno about the others, but I noticed.
 
tsk tsk
 
@Rapptz wait, where did he share it?
Last time it was accidentally as PDF metadata.
 
He edited the git history to remove it
Oh no.
He didn't.
It was in the PDF.
 
But he told me his name forever ago on Skype
 
Ben
5:50 AM
@ThePhD is that a research paper?
 
I agreed this is such a bully... "Even assuming we add the cast necessary to let your code compile, that's still not what it does--it doesn't create objects, it just allocates raw memory, the tells the compiler a lie to say that raw memory is objects." You also realize this creates a raw memory and tells the compiler it is an object. And then you say no, no, no, this is bad, this is wrong and this causes UB. Then you quoted some standards and says it is not C++. You didn't even give an evidence how it is not working. In the end, it still works no matter how bad people think it is... — Krypton 2 hours ago
wow the drama continues
 
@milleniumbug This is a long ways from the first time I've heard somebody dismiss UB as not being a problem. This is, however, the first time I've heard somebody insist that it works, even though it doesn't compile.
 
Ben
6:15 AM
so, undefined behavior is as it is: undefined, and use a vector when necessary.
 
Ben
6:27 AM
it's quiet.
 
@Rapptz I couldn't figure it out so I just nuked the entire repo. vOv
Something something big stick.
 
I'll bookmark that for when I'm an idiot later.
I would feel more remorse about nuking the entire repo from orbit but really, nobody else had any other commit history there so. vOv
I'm also trying to figure out how to 'overwrite' data in Lua. It's not going too amazing well.
Maybe I can copy a reference into another reference value in Lua.
 
Ven
Hi
 
Ben
@Ven hi.
 
7:29 AM
Hi folks
 
Ven
Yo brorito
 
I'm sick, that sucks
 
Ven
@Xeo yes, yes they are
 
@milleniumbug Oh god, that speshul snoflek got his feelings hurt, didn't he?
 
7:51 AM
@Krypton sorry, you're the one claiming that showing it works is enough proof. This means that, by claiming this always works you burden yourself with having to write all possible programs using this and running them all. That's the only way to show they all work. Otherwise your answer is useless, because it only shows that some useless program works. Good luck. I'll be here. — R. Martinho Fernandes 5 mins ago
ARGH
 
Bets are open.
My say: he works in gaemdev
 
People should pay more attention to philosophy class.
 
Ven
@milleniumbug that guy's code is really terrible
 
@Jerry's answer is gold.
 
user1804599
8:12 AM
@sehe TIL: "Alle Nederlandse achternamen die met "van" beginnen (niet "van de" enz) zijn (of waren) plaats- of streeknamen."
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes jfc, that guy is still in denial?
 
Ven
I think UB-shaming should be forbidden on StackOverflow, just like repshaming (like calling someone a bully just because he has a high rep) should!
 
I'll call whoever I want a bully.
 
user1804599
Then you'll get b&!
 
The same to you, you should have spent more time learning to accept the unconventional ways that you think wouldn't work. — Krypton 50 mins ago
lol
Is "unconventional" the politically correct way of saying "wrong" now?
 
8:20 AM
If anything that code is too conventional.
 
Ven
Yes, much like your mom said you were "special" to mean you had a few too many chromosomes.
 
Consider this thought experiment. I tell you that exact code crashed on my system. What do you surmise from that? Do you accuse me of lying? That would be disrespectful towards someone trying to help. Do you blame a compiler bug? You need to show how this behaviour differs from the specification, then. Do you accept my report and admit you're wrong? — R. Martinho Fernandes 1 min ago
 
If your argument cannot stand against lies it probably isn't very solid.
 
Ven
This is made of the same wood old auto was made of
 
8:24 AM
> I know where I’m going if my car ever breaks down in Poland.
I know too - you're going to the closest shop you can find, because you ain't driving to Gdańsk in a broken car, lol.
I won't blame. Show me the code and the crash log please! — Krypton 41 secs ago
this guy is 100% clueless right
 
Hello, Cruel World!
 
Well I'm sorry for having better explanation, it was a tired working day back then, a bit procrastinated to give explanation, draw diagrams and stuffs to illustrate how could that work. As for warming, I did put one at the end of the post, but I guess no one here saw that and completely denied my way. The over-reaction of the community is just another proof, the community is not always right... — Krypton 6 mins ago
Oh God. :D
This is both hilarious and depressing at the same time.
 
Ben
I hope @R.MartinhoFernandes is ok.
 
Xeo
Of course everybody else is wrong, d'uh.
 
user1804599
8:31 AM
 
user1804599
nice
 
@Xeo The main channel topic on Discord says that only Griwes is wrong, though.
 
Ven
that's true
 
When you're driving down the highway and everyone else is driving on the wrong side of the road and all the road signs are facing backwards, the simplest explanation is that everyone is driving wrong and that all the road workers put the signs wrong. — R. Martinho Fernandes 15 hours ago
Since he seems unable to do a thought experiment, I straight up lied about the output.
 
user1804599
haaahahaha
 
user1804599
8:38 AM
they're making a systemd web interface
 
Ven
systemd relies on google thus it sucks
 
May I know the platform/compiler and the snippet u use please? If I'm able to reproduce I will accept. — Krypton 25 secs ago
 
[tag:kotlin] time! In the following poop, I presume it works like Java, in the every time I add 'moreMagic' they will all share a common instance of 'MetaData' and thus any change to that instance will been seen by all `UserOfMagic`?

class MetaData(var magicValue: Int)
class UserOfMagic(var meta: MetaData)
class Container(val meta: MetaData){
val magicUsers: MutableList<UserOfMagic> = ArrayList()
fun moreMagic() = magicUsers.add(UserOfMagic(meta))
}
 
Ben
woah
 
@Griwes sigh. More lies...
Actually, it's truth. My mental compiler is not freely available.
 
user1804599
8:41 AM
Haha you should make an actual screenshot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, just say it's Hell++.
 
user1804599
Of a shell script named "gcc" which outputs a program which outputs that.
 
Ven
@thecoshman correct
 
Wait, he's actually going down that rabbit hole?
Incredible.
 
@Ven perfect :D
 
user1804599
8:42 AM
@thecoshman eww mutable objects
 
Ven
is simply a "Slightly better Java". It wants Java people to feel right at home.
 
I wonder if I'm being trolled now
But I'm having fun being trolled if that is so.
 
user1804599
@Ven Scala is too
 
@rightfold well, I was more getting at the shared value part of it :P
 
user1804599
I want Frege without laziness.
 
user1804599
8:43 AM
That would be incredibly rad.
 
@Ven exactly
 
user1804599
PureScript JVM backend.
 
user1804599
With Rhino fallback for FFIs.
 
What the fuck happened to that guy's rep in 2013 though?
 
It's like Java, but not shit
 
Ven
8:44 AM
@Ell I clicked on your video and at the end it suggested How to start having sex again
 
@Ven better? I feel like I code javascript when ever it cones to do stuff in java .no idea why they want to make it simple
 
Anyone at a terminal willing to fake a screenie for me?
I'm on mobile.
 
Ben
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bash?
 
@Ven well I guess it's joke/sarcasm. so never mind then
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes of what?
 
8:45 AM
^ alright then screenshot please? — Krypton 4 mins ago
 
> -115 user was removed
> -527 user was removed
> -115 user was removed
 
lol
 
Straight from Krypton's rep history. Hmm.
 
Haha, experts kicked from the site, vicious
 
user1804599
lol
 
8:46 AM
one of the worst 'features' of SO
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes We should get it on with Hell++
 
user1804599
@thecoshman pocksuppets
 
Yeah, I'm guessing at least one sockpuppet, though the 115s look suspiciously.
 
yeah, makes sense for socks, but doesn't it do the same if someone has their AC deleted?
 
@Xeo we can start with pattern matching on the AST for specific pieces of code and update as people do stupids on SO
2
 
user1804599
8:47 AM
haha acquiring a C++ AST
 
@thecoshman I somehow doubt he wrote anything worth 527 rep from a single user.
 
Worst case we can just do pure exact string filtering
 
Err. s/anything/enough/ really.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes hrhr
 
Ell
@Ven yeah, I think that is a good video too
Not that I've tried it, but it seems like it ought to work :P
And the message is healthy
 
Ven
8:49 AM
@Ell have you had such issues?
 
Ell
No :3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you know what's funny?
Oh come on, box already. gives up
 
user1804599
> Different output from the same code means either UB or one of the compilers is broken.
 
user1804599
wrong
 
Ven
@Ell that's because you never had relationships
 
8:50 AM
@rightfold That part's irrelevant, it's the first part that's relevant.
 
Ell
I've had relationships.
 
@Griwes that's not proof since his claim is that it is defined that you get an undetermined value.
 
kek
 
I.e. rng via uninitialized memory is ok.
 
I think we should just start dropping absurd amounts of standardese at him.
 
user1804599
8:52 AM
Mar 23 '13 at 14:43, by StackedCrooked
I remember reading about a program that used uninitialized variable as one of the sources of entropy for creating SSL keys. The optimizer decided that this made the sum of all entropy sources undefined as well, so it skipped the calculation.
 
I'm busy trying to corner him with the scientific method.
 
Ven
yup. openssl did that
 
lol
 
Apparently his certainty is such that a screenshot is enough proof he's wrong.
 
@Ben I totally forgot to answer you, lmao: no it's a group project
 
user1804599
8:53 AM
@Ven it probably still does, but unintentionally
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes shop it
 
A fake screenshot posted after I said one of his options is to call me a liar.
@Xeo mobile :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...I have a feeling Dan Saks' keynote applies fully here. (The psychological/sociological part at least.)
 
Ben
@ThePhD thats ok, I'm glad you replied.
 
No need for shopping. Just make dumb scripts.
Arguably that wouldn't be a lie then.
I'll use a compiler that is buggy in the sense that it doesn't compile any other program.
I'll be at a keyboard soon.
 
8:57 AM
I forgot what I'm doing with my life right now.
 
9:10 AM
@R.M I ended up with a borked version of nonius and I can't figure out how
 
well done
 
Posted fake screenie.
I think the effort of doing this on mobile was worth it.
 
I really wish I had a step-through debugger for OCaml.
That's honestly how I learn most other languages. Get a half-baked or good IDE and then step-through debug code to figure out what it's doing and how. =/
 
Should be proof enough, right?
 
Xeo
heh
 
9:16 AM
alias hellcc=true
 
Ven
Is there any kind of "ping" message I can throw at ElasticSearch to make sure it's up?
 
Xeo
shouldn't that be ./prog ? :P
 
@Xeo Doesn't work with aliases, and opening vim on mobile to make a script would be more painful.
 
Xeo
hrhr
 
Ven
krkrkrkr
 
9:17 AM
alias prog="echo ..."
The silly thing is that I finished uploading as soon as I got to my workstation.
 
Xeo
echo "echo \"$#@£\"" >> prog; chmod +x prog
?
 
Needs shebang too.
 
Xeo
aww
I thought by default it goes to the shell interpreter
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Not only it outputs garbage, it also closes my connection!
inb4 he asks to see the code
 
Xeo
9:21 AM
The program should print nothing. Hell++ optimized it away
 
Why don't you guys, like, ignore him and move on?
 
Xeo
Cuz we're the Lounge, d'uh.
Lounging has to be served.
 
Wait.
What're we doing again?
 
he he
 
Ven
I dunno, I stopped following
 
Xeo
9:23 AM
btw, Jerry must really like you, with all the "new comment on your answer" notifications :>
 
Wait
Wasn't it UB at some point?
Are we past that?
 
Xeo
@Shoe Not "was". "Is".
He's too dense, the nasal demons must've affected his comprehensive skills or something.
 
> Trying to use that raw memory as if it were objects (without invoking ctors to make it into objects) gives undefined behavior.
Oh yeah
wait
Why is he doing that?
 
That is actually not strictly true (as in not true for all types) in C++14, but will be strictly true for C++17.
 
This code is awful
 
nwp
9:27 AM
As much as people make fun of C++'s compilation process I must say that latex is so much worse. You compile it, it gives some error [BibTeX] finished with exit code 2. The you compile it again and it works perfectly fine.
 
lol setters in C++
 
@nwp just have a makefile that always runs it twice
 
@R.M okay @Cat found the bug and decided to steal my github cred so there
 
you need to run it twice to have ToCs either way, so... vOv
 
@nwp Moreover sometimes you need to compile it twice or thrice to get certain parts working (indexes and figure tables?)
 
9:32 AM
latex doesn't do it's own second pass for forward references?
 
nwp
@ratchetfreak of course not
 
pdflatex doesn't
 
nwp
I don't understand why they value single pass compilation higher than correct compilation
 
@ratchetfreak why would it?
 
@nwp Because it takes ages to compile latex
 
9:33 AM
@nwp It's not that people value that, it's that LaTeX is kinda ancient, plus what @Shoe said.
 
nwp
so instead of doing multipass to produce a correct result slowly they make me manually compile multiple times, which is slower, but now it is my fault
 
We had around 7-8 documents with about 50-80 pages each to compile every once in a while. It would take several minutes to complete.
I'm pretty sure that the equivalent amount of C++ code would have taken 60 seconds tops
 
My 100-slide-long presentation for CppCon took like two or three minutes to compile.
 
Ven
lol not using html5 for your slides
It's like you dislike having your slideshow breaking at random points during the presentation.
 
lol using html5 for slides
Do you know what's the most annoying thing people do?
They use the nonlinear slides HTML nonsense.
God, I hate browsing that shit.
 
9:40 AM
Yes that's awful
Wow am I agreeing with Griwes
Sanity check
 
Just use that Google thing for slides
It's simple and effective
 
Ven
@ThePhD btw ocaml is getting better and better at DWARF
 
Was it... Google Slides?
 
Just use beamer.
 
Ven
who nose
 
9:41 AM
Yes, it is.
 
Ven
@rightfold APL is amazing
 
@Shoe up to five
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes whot.
 
:'( I'm having to not only deal with sickeningly bad Java code, I have to deal with JS as well. And of course, front end and backend logic have been mushed together
This project is terrible
 
Handdrawn slides, best slides.
 
9:52 AM
burninate it
 
10:05 AM
@Ven by largely the same metrics that Bf ⨄ Maths is amazing
 
Ven
@sehe and rightfold ⨄ '????????'
:-)
 
vwp
 
user1804599
@Ven I agree.
 
o_0 "getConfigConfig" WHO NAMES SHIT LIKE THIS?
(not literal function name, but effectively the same)
 
10:24 AM
@thecoshman It's short for getConfigurationConfiguration.
 
@Ven Is there, uh. Something I can use?
 
> getConfickerConficked()
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes facepalm
 
10:45 AM
@thecoshman but it's long and descriptive
 
You know what else is long and descriptive
 
anyway, it looks like it's violating the Law of Demeter
or maybe not violating it, but actually trying to be super strict WRT it
Jul 19 at 19:47, by Bartek Banachewicz
at this point I'd pretty much say fuck that demeter guy whoever he was
still stands
 
Ven
@ThePhD bytecode debuggers :D
 
@Ven qq
 
Ven
use ocaml-js and debug that :D
 
user1804599
10:51 AM
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user1804599
OMG I'm rich!
 
user1804599
Ten billion, dollars!
 
Ven
that's not how you use commas
 
> We have also agreed with the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF)that, we will handle this payment ourselves to avoid the hopeless situation created by these corrupt Officials.
 
Github is not listing my crucial contributions to nonius I want my money back
 
10:55 AM
God this fucking syntax
I fucking HATE it.
 
Ven
why did you go with ocaml then¿¿
 
@CatPlusPlus replacing that one tab with spaces doesn't count
also I need to sign up for the exam before it starts snowing
 
It's ISSUES v important
 
I officially concluded my course yesterday
@CatPlusPlus "Do the thing I want" ?
 
No, 'do the thing that's not broken'
 
10:58 AM
Or, equally popular on GH, "does it do embedded"
(asking for a friend)
 
@Ven Because it's required. :l
 
Ven
@ThePhD you'll learn to like it ;-)
like alcohol
 
Sigh.
 

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