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Xeo
12:00 AM
and there's only really one route per girl
plus a few bad ends
but I don't count those as "routes", really
 
I rewatched part of NGNL this week. They had a reference to a character from Akiba's Trip. It was amazing.
 
Xeo
NGNL was great as well, ye
there are a few gems
Overlord too
but many adaptations just plain suck
 
user406009
@Xeo Some of the light novel translations are really bad though.
 
user406009
IMHO anime subs are almost always high quality compared to the LN translations.
 
Xeo
that doesn't fix horrible adaptations
 
12:03 AM
Who here uses linux for their main w-station?
 
user406009
@Shoe I do. With a windows dual boot just for games.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Latest episode was kinda hard to watch ..
 
@Lalaland Which distro?
 
user406009
@Shoe Ubuntu at work, debian at home.
 
Do you use Skype by any chance?
 
user406009
12:06 AM
No.
 
user406009
I tend to use google hangouts more.
 
I see
 
12:17 AM
Googolpls
10^100 pls
 
12:35 AM
@Darkrifts Googleplxplx => 10^googol pls.
 
lol
Googleplexianplx => 10^10^100
 
So... The guy in China reported that a 10 trillion digit computation crashed in the same place 3 times... That's a 10 trillion digit computation. I have absolutely no way to reproduce it locally. Especially since he has 768 GB of ram and I don't.
This admittedly is the first time ever that I've faced such a situation.
If the program errorred, at least I'd have some information. But this is a hard crash.
 
> 768GB RAM
mfw
 
He gave me remote access before. My last resort option is to install VS2015 on that box.
1. Crash it again.
2. Use VS to dump out the assembly that it crashed on.
3. Copy it locally.
4. Start digging through the assembly+source file that I save for all releases that I do.
 
Why does someone want a 10 T digit computation?
 
12:49 AM
@Mysticial In theory, you can add a vectored exception handler to produce a crash dump file. A "normal" minidump just includes stack traces of all the threads, so unless you're massively increasing the stack size or running a huge number of threads (both of which seem unlikely) the size will probably remain reasonable despite the amount of RAM in the target.
@Darkrifts To get ready to do a 15 trillion digit computation, obviously! ;-)
 
:P
 
As to why you'd do a 15 trillion digit run: it would set a new record.
 
Really?
 
He's testing it on a couple fast constants. Namely the Golden Ratio which is a couple orders of magnitude faster to compute than Pi.
 
I want someone to calculate 4^^4 :D
Or, in other words, 4 ^ 1.34078079e154
 
12:53 AM
@JerryCoffin If I can just get an offset within the program, that's be nice. But the Event Log report doesn't even have that.
 
@Mysticial Oh--okay.
 
I don't even need a stack trace. I can pretty much figure that out from just an offset in the program.
Actually no, I'll need more than an offset because of the address randomization.
 
@Mysticial A minidump gives you enough that you can open it in VS, and it's pretty much in the same state as if you were stopped at a breakpoint, so you can see what was executing, look at local variables, etc. Adding a minidump generator is pretty easy to do too. codeproject.com/Articles/1934/…
 
Looks promising. I'll see if I can find a more recent article about them.
I'm unable to log into the guy's box. Either the IP changed or he pulled my access since I haven't used it in a while.
 
I see that @R.MartinhoFernandes follows @sbi's school of Twitter usage, with vast swathes of retweets being done in quick succession.
 
1:12 AM
All I need is something like this and I can trace it to an exact location in the program.
That was how I ultimately traced the 3 week nightmare back in 2009.
That said, given that the guy's machine has had a history of hardware problems, I won't be surprised if that turned out to be the case - even if it did crash 3 times in roughly the same place.
 
Ultimate debugging skills: read log files and know what's going on
 
@Mysticial Not sure how much you'll find--this has been the same for years. It works, so nobody needs to futz with it. Oh, but there is one other thing that's changed: if memory serves, you can add a registry entry to tell Windows to create a minidump when/if it crashes. I don't remember a lot of details about that though.
 
If you could debug it on the spot and it's not UB then it shouldn't be too hard figure out what's going on ...
 
I hate to ask, but I was wondering if anyone here is familiar with IDA and some of the pseudocode that it generates.
I've been trying to emulate the login screen of a game, but ida is giving me a variable that I'm unfamiliar with.
 
@JerryCoffin Looks like you can do it from task manager.
I'll see if I can get it working locally.
Run it, crash it.
Without closing the window, go to TM and create the dump file.
And see if I can open it in Visual Studio.
 
1:21 AM
@Mysticial Seems easy enough...
 
Win7 doesn't seem to create the mini-dumps automatically. The dude's running Win10, and it collects everything. So I'll test it on my laptop and see if it looks good.
If it works out, I won't need to install shit on the guy's box.
 
@Jeff Not surprising--unless it has some sort of symbol information, it has no clue of the original name of a variable, so it typically generates one based on its address.
@Mysticial Yeah--always a good thing. But if it doesn't work out, the idea would be to include the minidump generation into y-cruncher itself. Basically two functions: one to set up the exception handler, and one to do the minidump itself.
 
Ahh I see, gotcha. Alright thanks, it shouldn't really be that hard to get the right color without ida, just gotta try a few different values until it matches
 
What is IDA?
 
1:34 AM
neat
 
Yeah, it can be pretty useful
Although sometimes it gives you garbage like SetFogState(fStart, v13, (unsigned int)((char *)&g_lvert_s[40309].p.y + 2)); lol
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I am a bit surprised that the project is 7 years old now and something like this hasn't been necessary.
 
lol
 
overall its been pretty helpful in emulating this login
 
Granted, for those first 3 years, my personal system was basically as good as the best ones out there.
So I could do things locally.
 
1:37 AM
I'm starting on UUr Python
 
@Mysticial Probably easier to isolate flaky hardware that way too.
 
@Ven Ctrl-B (Command-B on Mac).
 
> Ctrl+Z
 
Looks like it works. Somehow it manages to show the disassembly even after I move the binary.
Dunno if they store it in the minidump. Gonna move it to a different box to see if it still works.
Sure enough, it does work.
That's so easy. I won't even need remote access to the guy's machine.
 
@Mysticial Yay!
 
1:46 AM
Thanks!
 
@Mysticial No problem.
 
Now I need to put together a couple of screenshots to he knows what to do.
 
@Mysticial Nothing is ever as easy as it should be when users are involved...
 
It looks like it might give me the whole stack trace as well.
I'm not 100% sure since my test program derefs a null pointer in main. So there isn't much stack to show.
 
@Mysticial You can control that when you build it into your code. I wouldn't be surprised if you can with the registry approach as well, but I'm not sure.
 
1:51 AM
<--- attempted to get a random number in Python. Got rekt because the random number function isn't camelCase
 
@JerryCoffin Is it just a compiler option?
I'm sure the overclockers are gonna get annoying if it starts dumping stuff every time they crash it. Totally worth it though.
 
@Mysticial No--a parameter you pass when you call MiniDumpWriteDump.
 
Alright... This should be clear enough for him. He doesn't seem to speak much English, but the options are in the same order and in the same place regardless of the language.
@JerryCoffin So you have to catch the crash?
I'm guess another sort of API call. Since you've crashed, you're not running anymore.
 
@Mysticial Yeah, you set up an vectored exception handler, and it'll get invoked when/if a crash happens (though you can set up a filter to decide what exceptions to catch/ignore).
 
You know how multithreading is fun?
In UUr Python, I made it possible for it to create a bunch of threads holding infinite while loops :D
 
1:59 AM
@JerryCoffin I'll definitely look into that later.
I was gonna say it would've saved me a lot of time in the past. But this really is only 2nd time it has happened. Last time was 2009, and I was anywhere near technically competent enough to do it even if I had the instructions in front of me.
 
@Mysticial Yeah--at least I think in your case, you probably want to use SetUnhandledExceptionFilter, and perhaps SetErrorMode.
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks!
At work, I've been doing this stuff in the Linux world. Program crashes, core-dump is created automatically in some set location. Copy locally, boot it up in GDB.
The core file is the key since it can be moved around.
Since we typically can't debug directly on the prod or QA boxes.
 
@Mysticial Surely--the other obvious option is AddVectoredExceptionHandler, but I think in this case (you just want one handler for crashes) that's probably overkill.
 
the kernel.. the kernel.. the kernel ... the kernel....
 
@Mysticial Yeah, especially given how you've said they are about security, that would probably be a bit of a no no.
 
2:04 AM
@JerryCoffin If I wanted to be Microsoft, I could set up a server and have the program phone home when it happens. No... that's evil.
Useful, but morally wrong without the user's knowledge and permission.
 
the kernel. Theeee kernel!
 
and plonked
 
Should I kick him? The dude is clearly drunk.
 
I ain't the boss of you. Do what you wish.
he is disrupting conversation though
 
Inb4 not drunk but only a troll
 
2:09 AM
in the end does it even matter
both are equally disruptive
 
lol
 
@Mysticial Which dude?
 
Dsafds
 
Oh that guy, plonked him a while ago.
high-five @jaggedSpire
 
@Borgleader high-five
 
2:11 AM
plonk'd
 
@JerryCoffin Looks like it's not so simple. It dumps the entire memory contents. That's not gonna work with 768 GB of ram.
Let me shoot him another him another email.
 
That can't be good lol
 
Full dump is a RAM snapshot; you want a minidump
 
I know. I just need to find an easy way to do it. Task Manager seemed easy enough. But it creates the full dump file.
 
@CatPlusPlus Little late with that.
25 mins ago, by Jerry Coffin
@Mysticial No--a parameter you pass when you call MiniDumpWriteDump.
 
Wtf I got 40 rep on a year old answer on the same day o.O
 
Still doesn't require installing more code (though registry editing isn't necessarily trivial either).
@Borgleader Somebody probably posted a dupe of that question, so it got linked.
 
@Borgleader inexplicable rep is best rep
 
@JerryCoffin ah, that would make sense
 
2:21 AM
@JerryCoffin Process Explorer has options for both mini-dump and full-dump.
 
Inexplicable rep is mlg
 
@jaggedSpire All passive rep is equally good.
 
Passive rep is amazing.
 
fair 'nuff
I forgot edits bumped posts and edited a several week old answer today to incrementally improve formatting and duplicate a link from quoted text. And then was surprised when it got an upvote :V
 
lol
 
2:27 AM
I wish I could ninja-edit my old answers to make slight adjustments
now I'll feel guilty if I see something I want to change because it'll disturb the flow of the front page, but I understand why they can't just let me ninja edit in peace
 
Okay... Minidump doesn't look to be that easy. So far, it seems useless without the same system binaries.
The problem is that my program isn't at the top of the stack. It's ntdll.dll.
Since it can't find that .dll (I intentionally moved to a different machine), it can't follow the stack down.
What I don't understand is why it even needs it. It should be able to just trace the frame pointers going down.
 
Microsoft has a symbol server with all the symbols from all the released versions of their stuff
You don't need binaries themselves
 
oh...
aha, my firewall blocked VS from going online.
 
kek
 
Also WinDbg is much better for working with dumps than VS
 
2:40 AM
Perfect. I lifted the firewall and it worked. It jumped right to the assembly line in my app even though I crashed it on a different machine running a different version of Windows.
Thanks!
 
Now I need to see how I can get this guy to install Process Explorer and give me a dump file. Or just beg him to give me remote access again.
 
I'm getting completely shrekt in trying to make UUr Python
Java and Python are way too well made lol
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Fuck, I came to work at 9:00 am, and still can't leave
 
Alright, sent the guy new instructions. Let's see if he does them. Knowing him, he's probably just gonna ask me to login remotely again. Not that I care.
 
2:54 AM
Can you just enable remote desktop, or teamviewer?
 
He gave me remote desktop credentials a month ago. But they don't work anymore.
This is that 44-core/88-thread box with 768 GB of ram.
 
Install teamviewer, its going to take care of IP changes
 
He said the thing crashes 3 times in the same place on a computation of 10 trillion digits of the Golden Ratio. I have absolutely no way to repro it locally.
@Mikhail I disabled that shit after they got hacked.
 
> Attempts to get the absolute value of a long long
 
2:58 AM
Is there a decimal that is of arbitrary length?
 
what?
 
Like how BigInteger (C#) is arbitrarily large?
 
Many ways to handle this problem, one way is to wrap something like BigInt, in one of the C++ unit classes
 
Are they still using the O(N^2) algorithm?
I think even Java finally graduated from that.
 
for multiplication?
 
3:00 AM
yeah
 
idk, I think MS might have taken a stab at GSL. When I first touched GSL in 2011 it was terrible and slow, and terrible.
I think Eigen might have something now
 
Btw, the Basecase O(N^2) multiply algorithm accounts for about 1-2% of y-cruncher's run-time for 1 billion digits of Pi.
At least that's what VTune says.
2%-ish on Haswell and earlier. 1% on Skylake because of the ADX instructions.
 
@Mysticial The wonders of modern 20th century technology!
 
I still don't understand why I spent a couple weeks doing the ADX optimizations knowing it was 2% of the run-time. I guess that's the fun part of a hobby project. I can do whatever the hell I feel like doing.
At least it was the first bit of non-SIMD optimization that I had done in a while.
@Xeo I just booted up the Grisaia blurays - which reminds me: Why the fuck is the resolution 1920 x 816? That's 1080p but it isn't.
 
3:22 AM
Should make a movie that's 720p but isn't
 
3:34 AM
@Darkrifts 720q, the next step beyond 720p!
 
:D
 
morning
 
Greetings
 
I've been looking for a testing script to test my C programs. Basically compile and run a c program, and see if the output is correct.
@HWalters OMG Is it the legendary... H WALTERS??
 
No, just the regular one
 
3:42 AM
@HWalters I'm your biggest fan
 
I doubt that... my girlfriend's quite fond of me
 
Okay. I'm your biggest fan who you don't know personally!
 
@thepiercingarrow So then a unit testing suite?
 
@Aaron3468 I don't think so
I've been searching them up for the last 30 minuets
@Aaron3468 I am testing my entire program - not individual units...
 
void test(int x) { assert(x == 5) } and throw exceptions whenever a value isn't correct, right?
 
3:50 AM
I was thinking more like this:
 
@thepiercingarrow How can you test an entire program without verifying parts of it?
 
@Aaron3468 Well, basically I am writing this calculator
 
Okay, and does it have a GUI?
 
And the parts or shunting stack, polish calc, recursion gen, sum/product, limits, etc.
@Aaron3468 no its a CLI
@Aaron3468 with an optional TUI for the plebs :P lol
 
Then how are unit tests bad? You assert that 2^8 = 256, assert a couple other facts you know about the power function (in particular zero and negative values), and if they pass, you can assume the power function is correct
 
3:53 AM
I know... but they are more complicated then necessary...
 
Same goes for any other feature you put in, until the program is entirely tested. You don't need to test everything; just the general output.
 
@Aaron3468 Huh?
I was thinking more like:
$ make && make install
$ if [ $(ccalc 5 + 6) == 11 ]; then true; else then; exit 1; fi
$ if [ $(ccalc /limit x to 2 x^2) == 4 ]; then true; else then; exit 1; fi
$ if [ $(ccalc /pol 3 4 2 ^ /) == 0.1875 ]; then true; else then; exit 1; fi
 
'unit' tests is a bit of a misnomer. You don't need to check everything to verify that your program is correct (although detail helps catch bugs like -2^4 = (-2)^2 = 4).
 
Oh. So unit testing doesn't necessarily mean you test every little part?
 
Think of it this way. I write a stack unit... say it just stores a stack of numbers. So I have an empty method and push method in my interface, and maybe a size method. When I unit test this, what I want to do is just to test the invariants on that interface...
...so, I push 3, then pop a number, and make sure it's 3. I make a new stack and make sure it's empty. I push one thing on it and make sure its size goes up one.
Simple stuff like this, but if you use a unit test framework you can keep these things around. They're the semantic tests of your interface. Then you can refactor, heavily if you want to, and you just test to your unit tests.
 
4:03 AM
Exactly. Unit testing is a concept that helps you get the program right the first time. The more obvious bugs will be caught with only 2-3 cases per function (or class if it's data-driven), and the rest are hard to pin-point even with good unit testing (usually memory errors/overflows/race conditions). That's where debugging is a good skill.
 
Wait, who is H Walters?
Inb4 he says "me"
 
@Darkrifts He's H Walters.
 
orly
 
I'm the guy with the Vic20 homage avatar
 
Yeah, the UUr thing has its own SO chatroom now
 
4:30 AM
@Aaron3468 Well actually unit tests usually are compared to functional tests or integration tests. Where unit tests are the things that test each function (if you have enough money, time, etc) stackoverflow.com/q/2741832/314290
 
@Mikhail Fair enough. I tend to mess up the definitions of different things, if only because they're rarely defined the same way by everybody
 
I tend to confuse them because I don't test :-)
 
But by the answer you linked, it looks like unit test only implies functional tests/integration tests; unit tests are the superset that both types belong to
 
>>testing an individual unit, such as a method (function) in a class
 
> Unit tests tell a developer that the code is doing things right; functional tests tell a developer that the code is doing the right things.
 
4:34 AM
>>"Functional test" does not mean you are testing a function (method) in your code. It means, generally, that you are testing system functionality
 
I've not heard of "functional test"... looking at that page I still don't have a clear idea what that is
 
I built a microscope, the functionality/system tests involve making sure the interfermetric values are correct, and and other calibration.
 
But I'm familiar with UT/integration test/system test/etc
Sounds like FT is a catch-all term? (or I could believe, that diagram's misleading?)
 
No its not
 
@Aaron3468 Thanks
 
4:37 AM
You can test your functions or you can test the holistic system functionality. Many times the functions don't need to handle corner cases, etc for the system to accomplish what you're paid to do.
Unit testing is a step up, and many times you don't have time, or motivation, to do it.
 
 
It seems semantically that unit tests check the smallest unit of your framework; depending on the design, this could be statement level, function level, class level, or even resource level. Ideally you'd test every unit. functional tests and integration tests seem to ensure the entire framework cooperates with itself; no higher level bugs like leaked memory/race conditions/servers not responding in time.
 
or that you get the correct result for you computation, etc
somebody close this:
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Q: What advantages do arrays hold over vectors?

joe_04_04Well, after a full year of programming and only knowing of arrays, I was made aware of the existence of vectors (by some members of StackOverflow on a previous post of mine). I did a load of researching and studying them on my own and rewrote an entire application I had written with arrays and l...

 
head tip... why does he think arrays are better? Vectors are built on top of arrays to compensate for the disadvantages
 
The guy is heading in the wrong direction, especially if he replaces int* with a linked list (linked lists are almost never useful)
 
4:52 AM
Yeah, I haven't had to use linked lists. They work great for tree structures that need to update frequently, but otherwise it's a wasted abstraction.
 
Most benchmarks show that linked lists are only optimal for awkward sizes, not too small and not too large.
 
I've used non-STL linked lists tied directly to the stack... those are fun toys
 
I'm not sure the guy was saying he was replacing int*'s with linked lists... it sounds like he's replacing arrays and linked lists both with vectors: "rewrote an entire application I had written with arrays and linked lists, with vectors"
 
well that's better
probably whoever he learned from overemphasized the costs of vectors and underemphasized the costs of linked lists
 
5:07 AM
What if a linked list is really a graph?
 
what if jaggedSpire is really a pile of rocks?
9
bedtime
 
@jaggedSpire You sold me... off to bed
 
6:02 AM
@LucDanton did they not stipulate anything about triviality of copy/ctor/dtor? I mean, if the baseclass has significant side-effects does it still guarantee copy-elision?
> Number crunching: Why you should never, ever, EVER use linked-list in your code again.
Hahahaha. That's like
> Portrait Painting: Why you never, ever, EVER use a bazooka in your workshop again.
@Mysticial likewise
 
I blame numbers
 
6:33 AM
@sehe More like, Benchmarks: why you should never hold ungrounded beliefs :-)
 
@Xeo I just skimmed through the entire Grisaia Anime series. It looks like the flashback extends through Meikyuu and well into Rakuen as well. I took a look since I vaguely remember the flashback being very long, but Meikyuu was only a movie. And there was no way they could've fit that much content in that short of time. (Meikyuu is actually a 40 min. episode.)
Good thing I didn't spoil anything earlier. I don't know how much the VN goes, but I almost said something that happened near the end of the flashback and halfway through Rakuen.
Also... The ED for Rakuen... I thought it was fripside. Turns out it's the same singer, but not fripside.
 
@Mikhail Or "Thoughts: why you should never think one thought suffices to explain the universe"
> The tcp::stream documentation and its related classes are not well documented. I am not versed enough to know if this behavior is intentional, a bug, or has merely been overlooked. The documentation still remains fairly terse in the current networking-ts draft. (src)
mmm. not boding well for networking-ts
 
6:49 AM
in Discussion between rhashimoto and BitTickler, 2 days ago, by BitTickler
Having had that discussion a few times on the job, while I failed there to convince others, I highly doubt that non-blocking is the way to go. Not only because it ends up in spinning threads which could otherwise sleep, which is wasteful (energy, trees, ...). Also, I cannot fathom why so many think non-blocking IO facilitates things.
Quite an epic discussion
 
I am in a clinic waiting for doctor - foot injury :(
 
in Discussion between rhashimoto and BitTickler, 1 min ago, by sehe
@BitTickler Whenever I find I "cannot fathom" why [something that is in widespread use] could ever be a good idea, I safely conclude that I need to educate myself [instead of finding a group of people that agree with me.]
@Telkitty What happened
 
A bullshit reason to support blocking IO is that the OS or some other level handled the indirection, so that what you think is blocking is actually buffered somewhere else :-/
Another problem is that asynchronous things typically involve deep copies or bugs, although I assume many parts of the network stack perform deep copies.
 
7:07 AM
@sehe Maybe the shoe was too tight on top, I sensed slight pain & a small bump on the top of my left foot one day last week. But I had that happening a few times & generally as soon as I lose the shoe, discomfort would disappear in the next day or so. But this time, the bump has became bigger over the time. And though it's not painful during the day even if I go for a jog. I wake up with pain from the bump every morning ...
 
@Mikhail why would you assume that? The only concievable reason for asio is scalability/perf.
The "involves deep copies or bugs" makes little sense in that most languages that support this have GC anyways. Kernels typically assume zero stuff about userland buffers (who cares if the process dies because it doesn't handle lifetimes correctly).
So, in summary, I feel you enumerated downsides of async workflows in C++
 
Hey fred, guess what? the l/r value system is being reworded/reworked in C++17, and there are some new move mechanics involving destruction of the source. — Yakk 14 hours ago
^ Is there truth to this?
 
user1804599
Bathrobe at work \o/
 
Destruction of the source during move doesn't sound like it could possibly work?
Are we still discussing what a moved-from object is? Can't we just leave the zombies alone?
 
@fredoverflow yes
I don't know the specifics, but, yes.
@Bassie \why/
 
user1804599
7:19 AM
@sehe lekker
 
@fredoverflow Of course it can. Specifically in cases where move is always followed by destruction anyways (temps!?)
 
user1804599
A moved-from object is an object that Rust complains about with the message "use of moved value".
 
Specifically in cases, okay. But wouldn't a C++11 compiler be able to optimize, anyway?
 
@fredoverflow Yes. But that's hard/impossible for non-trivial move constructors
 
user1804599
7:22 AM
lol move constructors that do more than blit
 
Ya know. That's what smart pointers are for
 
Ven
@fredoverflow they're nice, ub-free zombies
 
user1804599
;_;
 
15
Q: Making swap faster, easier to use and exception-safe

fredoverflowI could not sleep last night and started thinking about std::swap. Here is the familiar C++98 version: template <typename T> void swap(T& a, T& b) { T c(a); a = b; b = c; } If a user-defined class Foo uses external ressources, this is inefficient. The common idiom is to provide a m...

> I could not sleep last night and started thinking about std::swap.
lol great introduction
 
Ven
you're so not allowed to memcpy shit
 
user1804599
7:26 AM
eww exception-safety
 
@Ven replace memcpy with blitting and it sounds a lot cooler!
 
Ven
do you even blit
 
7:43 AM
@fredoverflow Unrealistic. Real Win10 capable devices don't ask
 
@Bassie Clojure expert demonstrating mad repl skillz @ about 50 minutes in...
 
Ven
how surprising
 
lol - that non-fullscreen terminal on a messy desktop
 
@sehe The problem is that the beamer only displays a 16:9 cut from my 4:3 desktop...
That's why you see me looking at the canvas whenever I open a new window.
 
Ven
drop the bassie
 
7:54 AM
No idea what you're talking about.
Should I add music to the lecture?
 
1/c++
 
@fredoverflow Ah
 
I tried my 16:9 laptop once, but the beamer decided to cut the picture even more (on all 4 sides).
I bet in a hundred years we will have solved all computer problems, except communication between laptop and beamer.
 
Ven
@fredoverflow you speak too fast btw
not that I care since I don't speak your language either way.
 
@Ven Yeah, it's probably because I'm nervous :)
Also, 45 minutes is a very short time for all the stuff I have to cover.
 
8:12 AM
@fredoverflow Expert demonstrating expert skills. Nothing surprising there...
 
@fredoverflow all those asses :)
 
I said "cover", not "touch" :)
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow bleh REPLs
 
What have you become?
 
user1804599
competent
 
8:18 AM
becomepetent
 
nwp
@fredoverflow I wish my uni would do something like that
they got good people and an audience, but they are so far backwards the CS department is the only department in the whole university where you have to carry papers with signatures around
 
user1804599
conj is rad
 
user1804599
> Konstruktor
 
user1804599
What is this, KDE?
 
Does KDE have an abstraction called Konstruktor?
 
Ven
8:26 AM
better be constructed or I'll destruct you
 
Yo mama so fat her ASSignment isn't exception-safe
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user1804599
@fredoverflow No, but it has Konsole, Akregator, Konqueror, Karbon, Okular, etc
 
Kool
 
Ven
Aid
 
8:50 AM
Kredits
 
Ven
Kool Kid Kredits
"for idiomatic C++ instead of struct X { T a; U b; } write typedef std::pair<T, U> X; #define X_a(p) (p).first #define X_b(p) (p).second"
 
Ven
> Español: Mapa de Suazilandia avec de Morroco accident
 
9:09 AM
@milleniumbug Oh, right.
 
9:23 AM
What's a nice poll tool that allows anybody to vote but the link to the poll to be "secret"?
Like if it was a secret gist and you shared the link to it
 
nwp
removing an element from a queue would be "dequeuing"? this word looks wrong
I should stop answering questions in comments
 
10:07 AM
@nwp yes
Or dequeueing maybe?
 
Ven
@Shoe strawpoll?
 
@nwp Usually "pop the element from the queue" is used
 
@Ven We solved already, thanks :D
 
hey guys
I have a question. what does this sentence mean?
typedef void(*XInterruptHandler )(void *InstancePtr)
thanks
I know what "typdef" is, but why what does the above expression mean?
 
10:26 AM
@hamidkavianathar equiv. to using XInterruptHandler = void(*)(void* InstancePtr)
 

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