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12:00 AM
Huh?
But I thought Cicada is Korean?
 
Oh wow they added reverse racism and sexism into the github CoC
 
woops, we're safe now
 
@Prismatic whats reverse racism?
 
@VermillionAzure He is, MaiLongdong is not Cicada.
 
12:01 AM
@Borgleader It means ironic racism.
@Borgleader The kind that's the opposite of what you expect.
 
@VermillionAzure wtf
do you know what the word ironic means
 
@Prismatic Do you?
 
@VermillionAzure yes. please explain how you think reverse racism is 'ironic' racism
 
I can't refer to SO as anything but Snack Overflow in my head anymore. Thanks, Lounge.
 
Irony (from Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία (eirōneía), meaning "dissimulation, feigned ignorance"), in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event in which what appears, on the surface, to be the case, differs radically from what is actually the case. Irony may be divided into categories such as: verbal, dramatic, and situational. Verbal, dramatic, and situational irony are often used for emphasis in the assertion of a truth. The ironic form of simile, used in sarcasm, and some forms of litotes can emphasize one's meaning by the deliberate use of language which states t...
 
12:03 AM
MaiLongdong is straight out the hood in Shanghai
 
I can read a dictionary definition, thanks
 
@jaggedSpire U HUNGRY
 
Please go ahead and explain how you think reverse racism is 'ironic' racism
 
"differs radically from what is actually the case"<Esc>s/actually/usually
 
@unordered_meow no :(
 
12:04 AM
> Detroit is the living example of allowing Democrats - especially Black Democrats - to run a city; once called the Paris of the Midwest - into a total pile of shit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what where is this from?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmmmm
 
@ʞɔᴉN mumble?
 
Sorry, the definition of irony isn't "something that differs radically from what is usually the case"
 
@Prismatic "Give an example of an ironic situation or phrase."
 
12:06 AM
@jaggedSpire Can't i'm in hotel room with fam
might join later just to lurk
like @Nubile
 
@ʞɔᴉN No!
 
Who is Elyse?
 
@jaggedSpire :') didn't know you felt this strongly about me
i'll join the dark side soon enough dad
 
@caps wrongfold
 
@caps I have termed them rightfold-2
 
12:08 AM
@unordered_meow Her name is Elyse?
 
@ʞɔᴉN k
 
Dunno, it's the current avatar name
 
@VermillionAzure Well.
Yes.
She gave it to herself.
I think?
 
I'm just confused already and I think I'll just leave it alone now.
 
@Borgleader I always heard it as an attempt to describe racism by the minority against the majority--or efforts by some group (regardless of composition) to offset negative racist affects towards the minority by enacting racist policies against the majority. Used to describe, for instance, Affirmative Action.
But I don't know what other ways it is used.
 
12:11 AM
@caps It's racism that's the opposite from what's expected.
 
The use I know is a little silly. Just call it racism, or better, call it something more specific.
 
@caps Oh like "I cant be racist because im not white" kinda thing?
 
@VermillionAzure Sure. But that's not "ironic."
 
For example, here in Hawaii, there is a general somewhat exclusive feeling that the Native Hawaiians and "local" people have animosity vs. white people.
 
@Borgleader I guess.
 
12:12 AM
I'd call that a subset of reverse racism if I frame this with the racism dialogue nationally.
 
@VermillionAzure probably cuz the natives are stuck working for white retirees
 
As I said, I usually heard it used to describe policies that were supposed to give the historically victimized minority a leg up at the expense of the (supposedly) innocent present-tense majority.
 
@ʞɔᴉN They have a lot of problems to deal with, and not all of them really has to do with "the white man" anymore.
 
@VermillionAzure Sure, whatever. But nothing about it is ironic.
 
They're in a similar position as the black people without the central cultural 'hood identity that "black people' have.
 
12:13 AM
I think someone needs a dictionary
 
@caps Rule: White people are the majority in America. Therefore, white people are often on the offending size of racism.
Hawaii breaks the first rule, leading to expectations broken.
This trickles down into the culture, the social makeup of the state, etc.
 
@VermillionAzure 1) I'm not sure I have parsed that sentence correctly but 2) it looks racist.
 
@VermillionAzure are they still? I know this will be no longer true sometime soon
 
@VermillionAzure My point is just that you don't know what "irony" means.
 
@ʞɔᴉN I don't think it matters to this state, anyways.
@caps tell me your definition
@ʞɔᴉN It's sort of funny because I see "mainlander" people and it's funny how behind the times they are in terms of "race" and stuff.
 
12:17 AM
@VermillionAzure I sorta see what you're saying but can you give an example of what you mean?
 
it's probably more culture-related, though.
 
@VermillionAzure No just no
 
@ʞɔᴉN Sure.
 
I'm in the SF bay area so it's probably not too different
 
@ʞɔᴉN No, it's very very different.
 
12:17 AM
 
perhaps, I just want to know what you mean by that :P
 
@ʞɔᴉN Yes, of course.
 
"Forum trolls are deaf to anything but their own bullshit."
 
People down here tend to be very, very "laidback"
I think, first, the easy weather and sheltered geography plus the island activities tends to put people into a good mood and mind from childhood.
 
@VermillionAzure This one is better:
Irony is like a kind of satire or sarcasm.
 
12:20 AM
@caps Irony's definition is esoteric in my opinion. It doesn't matter outside of history and language arts.
 
I have a layman's definition.
 
@VermillionAzure It matters if you want to communicate accurately...
@VermillionAzure No, you don't.
You have a wrong definition.
 
People in Hawaii tend to not care about formal definitions or procedure too much.
 
Cinch's philosophy in 3... 2...
 
12:21 AM
jesus lord almighty I just want to hear his philosophy
 
@caps I agree but it appears we're disagreeing on semantics.
 
@VermillionAzure lol
 
@ʞɔᴉN If anything, what I've noticed about people who are from the mainland are...
They tend to be too uptight.
 
"I don't like what this word means, so I'll use it to mean something else"
Communication 101.
 
They tend to be too concerned about race.
 
12:22 AM
@VermillionAzure Also, lol, this is irony.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He wouldn't be the first one here to do that :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's also why words like "extemporaneously" have been ex-nayed from the usual vernacular.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not the usual "Hawaii boy" anyways.
 
You're stereotyping these people from the mainland about their racist tendencies.
 
@ʞɔᴉN They also tend to not understand how to relax and enjoy the laidback nature of the islands.
 
FFS listen to yourself.
 
12:23 AM
@VermillionAzure Yeah, you're a precious little snowflake, we get it
 
@unordered_meow lol, that's totally not what I'm going for.
 
It's like my coworker from Northern India saying he "[doesn't] like people from South India; they're too racist".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So? That's like saying the South here is racist. It's a region.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok that made me laugh
 
@VermillionAzure Er.
Gosh.
No wonder you don't know what irony means.
 
12:24 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just plonk please.
 
You're impervious to it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure. Except they tend to be true. Stereotypes can have their uses.
This is the one case that I actually agree with one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
It's mostly a cultural thing, though.
 
@VermillionAzure Yeah, that's what xenophobes say.
 
12:26 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hawaii is mildly xenophobic.
We tend not to take well to people who don't adjust to the general pace of things.
 
9 mins ago, by Don Larynx
"Forum trolls are deaf to anything but their own bullshit."
 
But, if you're interested @ʞɔᴉN , there are a few things that are interesting here.
For one, the usual "black-white animosity" the media likes to report about is almost non-existent here.
 
@VermillionAzure Of course, they're xenophobic and laidback.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It really depends, though.
There's a large spectrum of people here.
 
Oh, really?
OMG
I would never have guessed.
 
12:30 AM
On one side, there's a large group of Hawaiian nationalists who may believe the "the white man put us down" narrative they tend to embellish in schools and like the idea of formalizing an independent state and probably work hard for this.
 
So what you're saying now is that you have been saying for the past half an hour was bullshit.
Oh, I forgot you're Cinch.
 
9 mins ago, by unordered_meow
Cinch's philosophy in 3... 2...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm specifically talking about the so-called "normal" population that grows up here as second+ generation without any major political... slants?
 
OH GOD
"normal population" WTF GET OUT
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd also guess a lot of us think that most people from outside of Hawaii are hyper-sensitive to stereotyping and racism.
 
12:32 AM
Oh that's what you meant by laidback.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's hard to quantify one's entire multiethnic state culture that ties together from multiple continents and a complicated history in half an hour.
 
You made it sound incredibly easy.
Just apply the right stereotypes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like I said, it's a very complicated mix that doesn't fit into the usual stereotypes; I'm trying to make it fit but I'm not doing a good job.
 
@VermillionAzure But... but...
10 mins ago, by VermillionAzure
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure. Except they tend to be true. Stereotypes can have their uses.
 
But why.
"I'm trying to shove these people into some stereotype, but I suck at this"
Seriously, if you were good at it, it wouldn't be a good thing.
 
12:36 AM
@caps Stereotypes are layman's conclusions. If we were to profile people based on their personality types with great precision beyond our profiling today, we'd probably see a few arise.
 
lol
 
Statistics already can find some mild conclusions based on race but I don't think they matter that much. Take it as you will.
 
@VermillionAzure You're confusing stereotypes and statistics.
 
No.
Stop redefining words.
Stop redefining words like "layman".
It doesn't mean "people who redefine words all the time and then fail to communicate because they don't speak the same language as anyone at all".
 
12:38 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Definitions can change easily. You use words too strictly.
 
@VermillionAzure Those wouldn't be stereotypes. Those would be people's unique personalities.
Stereotypes are not about precision.
They're about the diammetrical opposite.
They're oversimplifications.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They are about drawing conclusions from whatever "evidence" people have found, however little or non-real they are.
I've found that despite how flimsy it tends to be, the one about mainlands from the U.S. tend to hold up in various capacities enough to the point where I choose to somewhat support it.
Notice how I'm ambiguous in my speech? It's because stereotypes are not accurate, so I mildly support the stereotype, about 55%.
 
mainland US is a big place.. think 316 million :)
 
@VermillionAzure Yes, oversimplifications based on anecdotal experiences sounds just like it.
For once you got it right.
 
@ʞɔᴉN USA! USA! USA!
 
12:40 AM
USA! USA! USA!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What else are we supposed to do? Travel the world with a limited amount of money and time and pick all the right TV shows and games and media and news stories in order to gain a "perfect" and "objective" view of the world?
 
@VermillionAzure No, it's mostly because it's just bullshit.
 
What about stopping putting people into nice shelves
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And I think that this single one isn't complete bullshit and has a grain of truth to it.
 
can we all just look at red pandas doing cute things?
 
12:41 AM
@VermillionAzure Er, no, you don't have to do that. You can just stop being prejudiced.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And define "prejudiced?"
 
Of course you would need that.
 
We can go in circles about this.
 
@jaggedSpire Wow so just because they're red pandas you assume they're doing stupid things?
the stereotyping is real in here
 
@ʞɔᴉN ...I should have said cute
 
12:42 AM
If I choose to eliminate prejudice, what opinion do I have left? What do I decide my social interactions on? If I rely on personal experience, I have no experience. If I rely on media, I have a distorted sense of experience. If I rely on stereotypes, I rely on even more bullshit.
 
Prejudice is, as the word indicates, doing judgment a priori.
@VermillionAzure WTF did you just say.
@VermillionAzure You don't need an opinion on everything.
If what it takes to not be a prejudiced dick is not to have an opinion, then so be it.
 
@jaggedSpire ah I'm kidding.. nice try at a diversion though :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm. This is indeed the correct choice, yes?
 
@ʞɔᴉN eh. I wanted more pictures of pumpkin assault and falling over
Three's a great one where about three are startled into falling backwards
 
Ok serious question. Why can't I find high quality recordings of Maroon 5's older stuff?
 
12:45 AM
@VermillionAzure And what answer "What do I decide my social interactions on?" I can only say "What the fuck, don't tell me you've been willingly basing your interactions on prejudice and not on the people you're interacting with".
 
@jaggedSpire pumpkin assault?
 
@ʞɔᴉN They have all been et by red pandas
see first link
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not one or the other though. If I don't have enough personal experience, I must put my weight into something else.
 
the orange thing is a small pumpkin and it doesn't know what to do with it
 
@VermillionAzure No, you don't.
You can just get the experience first, and make judgment later.
You know, like, the exact opposite of prejudice?
 
12:46 AM
My personal experience with people that have come from the mainland results in my short, shallow conclusions.
Here's my exact train of thought:
 
@VermillionAzure And damn all the rest of them to hell.
 
@jaggedSpire oo that's vicious
 
1) "Oh hey, Hawaii people and mainland people are different-acting but idk how."
 
@VermillionAzure So yeah, that's dickish and prejudiced and xenophobic. Keep it out of this room.
2
 
@ʞɔᴉN here's the video
 
12:47 AM
And while at it, please also keep it out of your external interactions too.
 
@jaggedSpire what in the world was that sound it made?
 
@ʞɔᴉN no idea
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @ʞɔᴉN asked and I gave my opinions. That's all.
 
probably a warning call of some sort
 
sounded like it was choking
 
12:49 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're getting so agitated, lol
I'll calm down now.
 
That juxtaposition is ironic, too.
 
Look, I'm not sure what is cuter than this, though the music is likely not to the taste of many people.
 
@jaggedSpire OH MY GOD IT'S A SNOW SLUG!
 
@jaggedSpire xylophones are a great instrument what are you talking about?
 
> Ryan Han Reviews 6 months ago
My testosterones have completely vanished.
 
12:52 AM
@ʞɔᴉN eh if you like it you like it. Just figured I'd get the required comment on the music out of the way
 
I have two testoterones.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Impossible
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but is that enough testosterones to watch the video without danger?
@VermillionAzure and ludicrously fuzzy, to boot
 
@VermillionAzure Yeah Mainland Chinese are unbearable
But I guess it's mostly due to culture difference than intrinsic
 
@MaiLongdong The ones I work with are very nice.
 
12:56 AM
Yeah so are the ones I work with. I'm talking more about day-to-day life.
 
nooooooo I'll find more red pandas! I swear I will!
 
@MaiLongdong I am highly offend
 
@jaggedSpire Meh.
 
@DonLarynx so you reckon google does not serve ads on porn websites?
 
If we want more cute, we must go into the animu.
 
12:57 AM
@ʞɔᴉN offend*
 
of course google does, I am calling the adult entertainment section in their marketing, porn section
 
@MaiLongdong I can't tell if this is supposed to be racist or just wrong.
 
@chmod711telkitty nope, they have certain rules. no adult stuff
 
@VermillionAzure What, "offend"?
 
12:58 AM
@MaiLongdong "I am highly offend" is incorrect grammar but sounds something that a Chinese stereotype would say
/joke /kill
 
Google restricts the promotion of the following types of adult-oriented content:
sexually suggestive content
images containing exposed skin and nudity
 
@VermillionAzure wow.
Someone tell Cinch how to internet
 
but porns are indexed by google yes?
 
@MaiLongdong but bb i ken alread intrwebz plz bb don hut me
 
@chmod711telkitty That's a strawman argument.
 
1:00 AM
yawn
anyway
 
Anyone remember Ms Swan
 
@Prismatic YOU'REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
THERE'S NOOOOOTHING I FEAR!
myheartwillgoonandonandonandon
 
well granola time
 
@jaggedSpire such health
 
oh Billy Zane
why u no AoD
 
1:08 AM
@DonLarynx do you think there are no google employees checking the contents on those porn sites for validation purposes?
and no porn sites have ads?
who do you think serve those ads?
 
@DonLarynx Promotion, not presentation.
 
@ʞɔᴉN much delicious
 
@chmod711telkitty Your original argument was that google has an adult entertainment section in their marketing. I refuted that argument with a source (Google). I will not continue this further.
 
the healthiest thing I ate today was..
a chicken sandvich
 
1:13 AM
Tragedy! I do not have the needed powdered ginger
 
@DonLarynx what in the world
 
3D printed memes? just what we need
 
gimp's text tool is so unbelievably bad
I know I shouldn't complain but god damn
 
It's FREE you ungrateful bastard
 
1:19 AM
Apr 25 at 22:51, by Luc Danton
Pull requests welcome!
 
@DonLarynx I never said that google has an adult entertainment section in their marketing, I said google has people working in the porn section, and that category can be quite broad. This was based what I heard someone else said.
 
@MaiLongdong Yeah I know. Even filing a bug would be better than just complaining. Shame on me
BUT ITS SO BAD THO
 
I was shocked about the Mario cloud/bush equivalence, and now I learn they are on a repeating pattern... https://www.shadertoy.com/view/XtlSD7
Haha, Carmack tweeted the shadertoy link I posted here a few days ago
:)
 
Call him out on his repost
 
rofl
hes not a lounger though =/
 
1:25 AM
lol the sprite functions
 
ok bed time now
 
nite bedleader
 
@chmod711telkitty no, telkitty. your wine does not count as porn, but it does come remarkably close
 
My wine has not arrived yet, I am hoping it would today
 
I'm on my way.
 
2:03 AM
okay, NOW granola time for real. I'd be ashamed of running low on ginger but it's pretty rare I need 1/4 cup of it.
 
what does ginger have anything to do with that though
 
@ʞɔᴉN you need some spices you want to make flavorful granola
I use brown sugar, ginger, cinnamon and salt
 
mm ok, my idea of granola was oats + yogurt
 
@ʞɔᴉN nah, granola is the crunchy oat-based stuff with nuts and sometimes dried fruit
I mix about 2 tbsp of my spice mix in with 3 cups oats, and then add 1/4 cup olive oil and 1/3 cup honey and bake it, adding almonds and pecans and sunflower seeds halfway through.
then I mix it with yogurt and eat it
lasts me about 2 weeks on average
 
enlightening
what's the olive oil in there for though?
 
2:10 AM
@ʞɔᴉN deliciously enlightening.
@ʞɔᴉN crunchiness
you can use any kind of oil, olive is just the one I use the most of.
I think I might have a granola problem though.
This is the 13th month in a row I've eaten it for breakfast.
 
dude
still better than cereal
 
@ʞɔᴉN Jagged x granola OTP
 
I ate cereal every morning for.. like 8 years?
 
@ʞɔᴉN whoa
 
I know it's depressing
 
2:16 AM
@ʞɔᴉN AGHAGHAGHA
 
Nooble bro is this you?
 
Yes.
 
@Nooble I bet you're crying now because someone finally got your spongebob references
3
 
@ʞɔᴉN Tears of joy!
 
3:00 AM
@nick :(
 
3:18 AM
Is the Lounge completely devoid of non-mumble life?
 
Yes.
 
"day"
Yeah, @nick!
 
@ScottW In their lairs?
 
Weird problem where I have two folders: routes. and routes.. and I can't delete either one of them.
 
3:31 AM
system?
 
Windows10
 
well windows 7 doesn't even let you terminate folders with .
apparently
 
Sublime Text did it.
 
still nada. The terminating period is removed in windows 7
 
Well, somehow it's been added and now I can't delete those folders.
 
3:38 AM
@DemCodeLines assuming you can't rename them even in ST?
 
Nope.
 
interesting.
 
So remove them with PowerShell
 
I tried with removeitem
but it says it can't find the file.
 
@DemCodeLines Buy a mac
lol
 
3:57 AM
@ScottW Hi there C:
 
4:10 AM
@ScottW Isn't Allah great?
 
dudes I gotta say night
Night
 
Good Morning @MaiLongdong
 
Uh it's afternoon already
 
You inferior.. rock.. scum
ah ok
 
Shut up you failed methylate
inb4 someone flags "failed methylate" as offensive
"DON'T YOU DARE CRITICIZE MY PRECIOUS HYDROGEN BONDS"
 
4:17 AM
I'm not addicted, I can quit anytime I want.
 
4:32 AM
I'm not black, I can quit anytime I want.
Inb4 flags for racism
 
I'm not drunk. I can quit anytime I want.
 
4:46 AM
I am not Cicada, I can quit anytimr I want.
 

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