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5:00 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf means
 
@sehe *flea. and technically i'm implementation-defined wrong. he claimed long int == int in C not C++
 
long int typically is the same as int (even though sizes are still IB and you suck).
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf k
 
@CatPlusPlus depends; nowadays yes in C. not C++ but again implementation/system defined
 
@not-rightfold I tried with auto it = dst.begin(); but it gives ` crosses initialization of ‘std::_Rb_tree_iterator<std::pair<const int, std::basic_string<char> > > it’` error!
 
5:09 PM
@Karimkhan you did google right stackoverflow.com/questions/8752416/…
 
Xeo
@Karimkhan Erm, are you playing around with goto or switch?
 
@Xeo yes, goto.
 
Xeo
Ew, go and burn that code in a corner
 
@Xeo But it is on the bottom of the code!
 
:cripes:
 
5:13 PM
goto ahahha :'D. fun stories goto's don't break scope actually
 
Xeo
Use proper flow-control facilities
 
Goto's bad rep is the product of mass hysteria.
 
Xeo
No, goto's bad rep is the product of OMG I CAN JUMP AROUND STUFFZ, SO COOL
 
I don't think so.
 
@StackedCrooked goto is a product of trying to debug code that looks like it got hit by a truck and then a hurricane
 
Xeo
5:16 PM
But no, really, it's just so often abused.
 
It's a useless feature in C++.
 
@CatPlusPlus i wouldn't say useless
 
ok thanks for (auto it = dst.begin(); it != dst.end(); ++it) removed the error!
 
if you want to escape 10 nested conditionals it can help
@Karimkhan google next time
 
Xeo
Don't write 10 nested conditionals in the first place
 
5:17 PM
No, if you want to escape 10 nested conditionals then your code is shit.
 
@Xeo it's crappy code design but it's technically a case
 
Xeo
@Karimkhan psst: for(auto& e : dst)
 
Any time you can say "goto can be helpful here" is when your code is shit.
Did he really just honestly unironically used goto to do a loop
 
@Xeo you guys with your fancy schmancy C11 features
 
@Xeo psst?
 
5:18 PM
It's the sound of our brains leaking out.
 
Xeo
@EiyrioüvonKauyf s/C/C++/
 
yes C++11 but i got lazy so C11 . its not like there's a c11 standard anyway
 
Xeo
there is
 
You are so bad.
 
fuck ISO/IEC 9899:2011 is C1x... sigh today is a derpy day
 
5:22 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf C11?
 
yeah
C11 != C++11x because C11 is a standard that actually exists because they finally did stuff
 
What is C++11x?
 
C++11 (formerly known as C++0x) is the most recent version of the standard of the C++ programming language. It was approved by ISO on 12 August 2011, replacing C++03. The name follows the tradition of naming language versions by the year of the specification's publication. C++11 includes several additions to the core language and extends the C++ standard library, incorporating most of the C++ Technical Report 1 (TR1) libraries — with the exception of the library of mathematical special functions. C++11 was published as ISO/IEC 14882:2011 in September 2011 and is available for a fee. The ...
i'm merging C++0x and C++11 to get C++11x fuck it
 
Oh, you're making up things.
 
also @CatPlusPlus my llama hasnt arrived therefore my wildest dream has not come true; lies ;A;
also class now adios
@StackedCrooked atm yeah
sort of like a vague pointer and expecting someone to magically assign it to a closeby address
ok adios time for shit
 
5:27 PM
So, Android 4.4 is named KitKat.
 
`std::stringstream ss(result_string);` could be written as
`std::stringstream ss;
ss<<result_string;`
Former gives me cross initialization error. 2nd part does not give any error but I dont know programmatically is it correct or not!
 
@Karimkhan Cross initialization? The problem is probably in the code you're not showing us.
 
Stop using goto ugh
 
Sup children!
 
code is very length so I did not figure out what part should I show.
I think
`std::stringstream ss;
ss<<result_string;` is equivalent to
`std::stringstream ss(result_string);` that's what I wanted to know!
 
5:39 PM
@Karimkhan Should be.
What I'm wondering is why the constructor call fails.
 
I want to know why isn't there anything interesting going on.
 
Because Etienne is helping a noob
and I've merely just arrived
But what's up with you Cat?
 
Tired
 
Yep me too
I've been awake since 5:50 this morning
 
How long do you think it will be until this "swag" thing dies out? I don't know how much more I can take.
 
5:41 PM
Just ignore it
 
A what thing?
 
@Pawnguy7 What is swag?
 
swag yolo, its a thing that teens say
 
@StackedCrooked I have no idea, but everybody seems to be saying it.
 
Google it
 
5:41 PM
Me?
 
Don't tell me what to do!
 
No, @StackedCrooked
I'm telling you what to do.
 
I'll bing it just to spite you.
 
Looks like urban dictionary wins.
The only time I have seen yolo used is an excuse to do something stupid.
 
5:44 PM
Of course, yolo is the ultimate in no-responsibility.
 
holycrapwedontcare
 
1 message moved to bin
 
Thank you. Binning is painful on my phone
 
You're welcome :)
 
Earlier today a huge wall of code sat there for a while before I realized nobody else was gonna bin it.
 
user1804599
5:58 PM
Fuck.
 
Which means some of you have a life outside the Lounge.
And that is unnacceptable.
 
user1804599
I'm testing message grouping and the random number generator decides to perfectly alternate between two message authors.
 
I do have a life, I have a job that I enjoy, and I have friends close by.
 
You suck.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm proud of you.
 
user1804599
6:02 PM
 
New theoretical attack on Bitcoin. My landlord won't accept BTC so I have to move to the Bitcoin Foundation.
 
user1804599
Couldn't get it to work with a filter though. The filter would returns a new array every time, but AngularJS doesn't like that because it needs to recalculate the hash and rebuild the DOM for every new message.
 
This is amazing.
(It's a bot)
 
@CatPlusPlus Vat.
 
Eventually that same pair of socks? No way! I'll give you 0.05000000 of a Bitcoin" Reluctantly the seller accepts and BAM! the value of it
It makes random sentences from couple of sources
(It's actually sentient)
 
6:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel :)
 
Those cut-offs really bug me.
 
What does the tagline reference?
 
Things are quiet around here.
 
user1804599
6:15 PM
It's indeed quite quiet.
 
OMG, I'm addicted to Vsauce. I blame @Xeo. :)
 
Xeo
haha
 
I love that channel.
 
user1804599
The weather today was awfully great.
 
user1804599
Although I should have worn a pair of sunglasses; stupid insects.
 
user1804599
6:19 PM
I need to cycle through a forest.
 
I haven't gone outside in quite some time.
 
Aug 26 at 10:08, by Cat Plus Plus
Congratulations on being our 1000th visitor, click here for your wildest dreams to come true! Also, acronyms.
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@Karimkhan If your question magically disappears from here, it's not an error.
5
 
I already binned that before, don't keep reposting it.
 
6:25 PM
@EtiennedeMartel :)
 
guys! does exist here a good *nix chat for getting good advice, I have a problem with the offline wi-fi driver installation on linux, thank you
 
@GeloVolro maybe
 
@JohanLarsson thanks
 
hi guys
 
user1804599
Noobs gonna noob.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf C++ inherits that from the C standard. Also, you can't claim that 32 bits is long. Period. Name any current-day popular compiler that has this definition. :/
@EtiennedeMartel Oh god
 
@sehe Especially that one guy with a lot of rep and activity in the C++ tag who says it's a "fine reference".
 
hello
 
h.e.l.l.o.
 
user1804599
6:52 PM
hi
 
(look how retro I am)
 
@sehe So old.
 
yup. Going on 70
 
Only as old as you feel.
 
6:59 PM
What.
 
Why?
 
> Congratulations on being our 1000th visitor.
^^ Why am I the 1000th visitor for the last 100 times I've been here.
:)
 
Fraud IS acceptable in bitcoin. I am making it my life goal. But to do this I need to spend more time concerned about politics of a
Sentient, I tell ya.
 
oh excellent. And here I thought the two phase lookup bug only affected templates: rise4fun.com/Vcpp/Cfc
 
@Mysticial Cause you're awesome :)
 
@Borgleader Game developers don't like the STL. At least most I've read.
 
lolwat
 
There was even an Game Development question about it somewhere
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Q: STL for games, yea or nay?

munificentEvery programming language has its standard library of containers, algorithms, and other helpful stuff. With languages like C#, Java, and Python, it's practically inconceivable to use the language without its standard lib. Yet, on many C++ games I've worked on, we either didn't use the STL at al...

 
@Rapptz So they make their own instead... ~~time well spent~~
 
7:11 PM
@Rapptz Most large scale projects I've encountered do not use it.
The main reason being the lead programmer/architect does not like it.
Usually because he used it once 15 years ago, found issues, and decided to roll his own solution since then.
My current boss dislikes exceptions because they sucked a while ago.
 
Ell
This episode of south park is what a lot of people need to see.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_(South_Park)
 
Because there's not only legacy code in this business, there's also legacy thinking.
 
@Rapptz Heh, interesting read.
 
@sehe Why goto rather than break? Feeling a little rebelious? =p
 
7:14 PM
Seems like.
 
@MonadNewb because... you know, it does different things :) Of course, one could write it using proper loop flow controls, but I wager it wouldn't be as clear given the setup of my algorithm
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah I like that question.
 
@Rapptz Do you work in games?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I used to want to. Looking into the stuff convinced me it isn't worth the effort or time.
 
@Rapptz So, you're hating on which basis?
 
7:17 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Spending time with game developers, looking at their code extensively to learn, realizing how crappy it is, and going from there.
It's not a blind dislike, trust me I've seen a lot of code from game developers because I really wanted to make a game myself but I found myself completely turned off by it.
 
By that logic, why are you writing code anywhere?
Because there's plenty of crap in every domain.
 
@sehe oh wait... I meant continue =p
 
Game development is no different than any place with a lot of legacy.
 
No shit. You think I'm looking at legacy code?
 
@sehe Anyway, I do agree that an actual loop might make the code less clear.
 
7:20 PM
@Rapptz It's always legacy-driven.
In our engine, we have a lot of crap that was there because we used to support the Wii.
 
@sehe I didn't look closely enough at the code to not qualify that statement with a "might" =p
 
Thing is, we technically killed Wii support almost two years ago.
 
Wait, the Wii is no longer?
 
We stopped making games for it, so we figured it was pointless to keep maintaining the Wii port of the engine.
 
ah right
 
7:22 PM
There are also weird decisions that were taken by a fan of overengineering a while ago. The guy is no longer here.
 
Crap code exists in every production code base. It just hard to avoid it.
 
We still have to deal with his shit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel May I ask where you work?
 
@MonadNewb Ludia.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion It doesn't exist in any of my production code bases.
 
7:23 PM
What I'm saying is that game development isn't any dirtier than any other place in the software development world.
@not-rightfold None of your code bases are in production.
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel My statement still holds.
 
@not-rightfold You write PHP, that's the epitome of crap code.
 
zing
 
@not-rightfold Your statement adds nothing to the discussion.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Not my code base.
 
7:24 PM
So your code bases don't just contain crap code, they ARE crap.
 
@EtiennedeMartel games based on gameshows, eh? Are you smarter than a fifth grader would be fun to try out.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You can defend your place all you want (you've already said this 3 times before) but from all the code I've seen in the past 10 or so years gamedev has the crappiest ratio of them all.
 
user1804599
It's the company's code base. :P
 
Sturgeon's Law.
 
I guess reverse engineering (which I did heavily) comes in 2nd there.
 
7:25 PM
Is it normal to be unsure when filling out self-assesment forms? (say, 1-5 sort of things).
 
@MonadNewb The thing is that you'd need at least (a) an extra boolean or (b) duplicated conditional loop-var increment in the loop body. Now, I can just make it clear that the loop-increment happens as anyone would expect (always) except in the case when we jump directly to a descriptively-named label skip_increment: :/
 
user1804599
@Pawnguy7 Yes. It's the most difficult thing I had to do in school.
 
@Pawnguy7 self-assement forms for what?
 
I have to go to back to work. Talk to you guys later.
 
user1804599
self-assassination
 
7:26 PM
suicide
 
user1804599
@Rapptz Have fun.
 
@TonyTheLion epitaph, even
 
@Pawnguy7 you're getting professional help?
 
@sehe makes sense. Duplicated conditions tend to bother me.
 
7:27 PM
Scumbag rightfold: says he doesn't have crap code, write PHP.
 
@MonadNewb especially when it's line noise, just to do something that is ... a standard loop increment
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion It's not my code.
 
@TonyTheLion Anything, I suppose. The one that brought this up was for public speaking, but I seem to recall some financial thing regarding desire to do budgets or something.
 
@sehe like an if statement inside a while loop, both with the same condition /shudder
 
user1804599
I write it but it's not mine.
 
7:28 PM
@TonyTheLion Not your day for star fishing
 
@not-rightfold You still help writing it.
 
@sehe Wait, don't you have me ignored?
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion It's still not mine.
 
@not-rightfold Unable to take ownership of the things you do? So immature.
 
@not-rightfold So you take no ownership (responsibility) of the code you write?
 
user1804599
7:28 PM
I don't know if we have a policy for it.
 
@Pawnguy7 I unhid the posts, because people were talking of self-assassination for no apparent reason
 
user1804599
I don't want to own the code. It's in PHP, i.e. terrible.
 
Ah.
 
@not-rightfold "taking ownership" means putting your balls on the table and standing for the things you did when they come under fire.
 
@not-rightfold take pride in your PHP skillz!
 
7:29 PM
@not-rightfold Its nothing to do with policy. It doesn't matter who owns it in the end, its the fact that you wrote it and that you should treat it as if your own so that you do the best job on it you can. Also what Etienne says.
 
And not just saying "It's not mine, I can't hear you, I'm going on vacation".
 
user1804599
My code is always correct.
5
 
^ fail
 
@sehe well, I haven't had time to do any of those practice challenges. From what I can tell, the company's business model looks an awfully like how TopCoder started.
 
@not-rightfold It's in PHP.
 
user1804599
7:30 PM
Amazing, isn't it.
 
@not-rightfold PHP code is by definition always incorrect.
 
@not-rightfold Hubris in Action
 
user1804599
Btw it's not merely in PHP.
 
user1804599
JavaScript and CoffeeScript too!
 
user1804599
And some Z shell.
 
7:31 PM
@MonadNewb The right word, you used.
 
What we're saying is: stop dicking around and admit you fuck up sometimes.
 
user1804599
 
Oh gawd. You have a lot to learn, young one.
 
user1804599
I love how you guys are taking me seriously.
 
@MonadNewb Does TopCoder have business2business offerings (job assessment services?)
@not-rightfold we can troll too!
 
user1804599
7:33 PM
YOU'RE GULLIBLE.
 
@not-rightfold I always think: "oliebol" with that meme
 
user1804599
@sehe lekker oliebol.
 
@not-rightfold My star was tongue-in-cheek =p
 
@not-rightfold You're the lame teacher who claims he was just "checking to see we were paying attention"
 
@not-rightfold THE LOUNGE IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.
6
 
user1804599
7:34 PM
My physics teacher called lazy students "oliebollen" when he sent them to detention.
 
user1804599
> En nu ophoepelen!
 
@not-rightfold Either you mentioned that before, or I remember that too. Probably the former
 
@TonyTheLion Would that be called a "bon mot"? Or is there another word that I'm trying to think of?
 
user1804599
@sehe You didn't have that teacher.
 
> "detention"
 
user1804599
7:35 PM
At least, if you didn't lie ~ two years ago.
 
@not-rightfold Was he not born in 1992-5~ish?
 
user1804599
@sehe No.
 
user1804599
More like, 1958.
 
@MonadNewb Don't know.
 
@not-rightfold I had v. Eegeraadt (or sumtin alike)
 
user1804599
7:36 PM
@sehe haha mijn informaticaleraar.
 
Ell
Herro again
 
@not-rightfold So, technically, I might have "known" him (even if he didn't teach my class)
 
user1804599
He's awesome.
 
@not-rightfold Whoa. He got promoted :/ He used to be Natuurkunde/Scheikunde.
 
user1804599
@sehe Hij doet natuurkunde en informatica.
 
7:37 PM
@sehe I know they have businesses sponsor many of their competitions and businesses use that platform for talent searches. Not sure about job assessment, though.
 
@not-rightfold And he plays jazz sax. That's about all I remember
 
user1804599
And no, from highschool-level physics to highschool-level CS is not a promotion. :|
 
hahaha
 
@MonadNewb I think codingames is big in that area
@not-rightfold Wazzajoke
 
user1804599
@sehe dunno.
 
7:38 PM
@Ell Drunk?
 
Ell
Yes please ;)
 
@not-rightfold I know because he once said he hoped I'd learn about other music than jazz one day (he didn't know I did more than play in a string quartet at the time). He played sax at the same occasion
 
Ell
but nah, not in the slightest, I just watched south park is all, and the voices are funny on there
 
user1804599
All I can remember is that he asked me a question about padding in CSS when he encountered me in the hallway.
 
@not-rightfold Yay. That's something
@not-rightfold Wait, all of 2011?
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
@sehe no, that specific moment.
 
@sehe What exactly do you mean by "job assessment"?
 
Ah. good. chances are, I didn't lie on purpose back then.
@MonadNewb You get 20 questions to prove your worth in C++. That kinda thing.
Trivia + coding challenges
 
Ell
I'd suck at those
 
user1804599
We have a silly test for people who suck at their interviews.
 
Ell
I pretty much need a reference at all times :S
 
7:42 PM
Practice is the mother of all fuck-ups
@Ell Me too. I even had to buckle down and do without boost :(
@not-rightfold fizzbooz?
 
user1804599
@sehe Extremely simple questions.
 
user1804599
Even simpler than fizzbuzz.
 
user1804599
It's mostly to troll.
 
@not-rightfold That's harsh
 
user1804599
The questions are like "what's a variable?"
 
user1804599
7:44 PM
@sehe where do you work, by the way? I can't remember you ever told.
 
@not-rightfold That's quite complex. At compile, link, load or run time?
 
user1804599
All I can remember is that you did something with the place I get my free money from.
 
For over 15 years now
 
user1804599
Ah, nice.
 
Ell
I wonder if a place would let me work there for free, as a learning experience
 
7:45 PM
@not-rightfold Yeah, I just completed that gig. Moving on to another project
 
user1804599
Cool.
 
user1804599
I got my last free money a few days ago.
 
@Ell Sure thing. It's just not so typical that people would get such a job (college internships aside)
@not-rightfold You're a free slave now
 
Ell
Im having a gap year after I finish sixth form, I'm hoping to get any work during that period
 
"get any work" usually succeeds
 
Ell
7:48 PM
so maybe I could try arranging free work for the first two months an then get paid or something
@sehe hasn't for me so far. But probably haven't been trying near enough
well, I know I haven't
 
sounds like a plan. Maybe mix-em up (you don't need to insist on not getting any pay)
 
Whenever I see a question about a slideshow, I always read it as 'sideshow' and, always check the OP's name in case it's 'Bob'.
 
user1804599
Currently working on a relatively large application. Quite fun.
 
user1804599
I'd like to work with more interesting technologies, though (screw web development and PHP in particular).
 
@not-rightfold Solliciteren. The job I was interviewing for does AngularJS with Signal/R and winLess
 
user1804599
7:50 PM
@sehe Wil dit systeem eerst afmaken. :V
 
@not-rightfold That's probably... a good idea.
 
user1804599
@sehe Never heard of the latter two.
 
user1804599
Next big project will most likely be in Python. My colleague is also getting tired of PHP.
 
It's basically everything you need to have a rich web client act as if it were a native client (including incoming connections from peers/the server)
 
user1804599
Beh.
 
user1804599
7:53 PM
Just make a native client.
 
Not very handy if you want to support all platforms, and control deployed versions centrally etc.
 
user1804599
I don't like web pages that don't feel like regular web pages. With links and a working back button.
 
user1804599
Facebook and Trello absolutely suck at the back button.
 
user1804599
Back buttons should not just close pop-ups. :|
 
Mmm. I kind of agree. Unless (and this is the other extreme) the browser navigation is completely irrelevant. So: Github=bad, netvibes=good
@spark You should probably click the link in the answer — sehe 5 secs ago
lol
 
7:57 PM
@sehe So is this intended for job applicants or for employees who have already been hired by a company?
 
@MonadNewb applicants. or rather: hiring firms, I suppose
 
user1804599
@sehe You are the candidate or the other guy?
 
@not-rightfold Wait, I'm a candidate, but the other guy is doing the new webfront
 
user1804599
OIC
 
I'm not going to do the web stuff. I would be in for a steeeeeeeeeep learning curve
(well, honestly, I'd probably fit right in, but I've always kinda stayed away from html/js/css)
 

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