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7:00 AM
@GamesBrainiac One of the lesser reasons you should generally avoid such a design.
 
I find myself inheriting from two classes a lot lately
 
@JerryCoffin: Yes. But that is what you go through when you learn a new language you see. I am sure you've had your fair share of sleepless nights and heroic coding! :P
 
@GamesBrainiac Me? Never! :-)
@Rapptz You mean two deep, or MI?
 
@JerryCoffin : You're a really bad liar jerry! :P
lol
 
@JerryCoffin Multiple inheritance.
 
7:02 AM
@Rapptz : I rarely use that. It drives me even more nuts
 
@GamesBrainiac 'twould only be lying if I expected somebody to believe it.
 
Not for me.
 
@JerryCoffin : True. So, what IDE do you use for C++?
Or just notepad?
 
@Rapptz I went through a phase of using MI a lot, but haven't so much recently.
 
Well to be fair, the library I'm using kind of encourages it.
 
7:04 AM
@GamesBrainiac Mostly Visual Studio. Sucks, but less than most alternatives.
 
@JerryCoffin : I use Eclipse. I can't afford VAX so, I just don't bother using VS2012
 
I tried VAX, I don't see much of a difference
I could be using it wrong.
 
@GamesBrainiac I've never quite understood using Notepad -- if that was the only editor I had, I'd use it to write only one thing: a better editor.
 
@Rapptz : It helps a lot when you want to refactor something
 
VS2012 has built in refactoring iirc
 
7:05 AM
@Rapptz : VAX makes it a bit easier. I mean I liked it when I used it
 
@GamesBrainiac I've used VAX for years. The cost is fairly high initially, but updates are much more reasonable.
 
@JerryCoffin : I am a student. I got VS2012 for free. I can't get the kinda cash to use VAX.
 
There's a student thing for VAX iirc
 
I used it for 30 days.
 
If I was using Eclipse, it'd be about the same as Notepad -- the only thing I'd use it for would be to write an editor that was at least minimally usable.
 
7:06 AM
@Rapptz : Eh?
 
Never mind
Thought the wrong thing.
 
Well, it aint free. So I am stuck with Eclipse
You still have to pay, they tell you its a "significant discount"
but it aint! :P
 
I don't understand
Vanilla VS2012 is much more superior to shitty Eclipse
 
@GamesBrainiac $250 down to $50 isn't significant?
 
To be honest, anything above 15 is too much. I just don't have cash
My university does not want to invest into 'luxuries'
So, kinda stuck with what I have
 
7:09 AM
What's wrong with vanilla VS2012?
I honestly think you haven't tried it if you're still using Eclipse.
 
I have tried it, but the thing is, I am just much more used to Eclipse's debugger
 
Visual Studio 2012 vanilla is much more expensive than VAX, so why not take advantage of software that costs thousands of dollars for free?
 
Since I come from Java you see
 
@GamesBrainiac When I originally bought it, VA-X was a huge upgrade over vanilla VS. It's still enough to be worth the upgrade price every couple years, but I doubt I'd bother if I was paying full price now -- VS has gotten enough better the difference isn't nearly as huge any more.
 
Visual Studio's debugger is lovely :<
 
7:11 AM
@GamesBrainiac Since you come from Java, you're accustomed to it's shittiness.
 
@JerryCoffin : I dunno. Maybe I'll give it another shot
 
It's what I use VS for..
 
I just prefer it since I know all the shortkeys and all the other stuff
 
Its debugger, otherwise I just use Sublime Text 2
 
just habbit i guess
@Rapptz : You read my mind there! :D I use ST2 as well! :D
Its really quite something
I debug using eclipse
But right now ST2 is giving me a problem, so I'm using Eclipse in the mean time
 
7:13 AM
What problems?
 
I guess I must be the only one -- I downloaded and tried ST2 for a while, but didn't see enough there to even keep using it for a whole day (or more than one or two, anyway) , not to mention buying it when the trial period ran out. Maybe I should have given it more of a chance though.
 
The evaluation period is similar of that to WinRAR, it doesn't really expire.
 
@JerryCoffin : The trial never runs out
@Rapptz : It just does not start. I am going to re-install it
 
@Rapptz Hmm...I never really noticed -- like I said, tried it for a day or two, but didn't see any real reason to continue.
 
@JerryCoffin : Its just light weight, and good for getting short work done
The color is pretty too! :P
 
7:16 AM
I have a theme that emulates Visual Studio's light theme to a degree
kind of hard
 
@Rapptz : VAX's theme is pretty good for C++
 
eh
 
@Rapptz : You can see the colors clearly, and all the types too
 
@GamesBrainiac I guess. I have VS open at boot, so startup time isn't an issue. I've been accustomed to VA-X's colors for years, so it didn't seem special there either.
 
@JerryCoffin : I guess people notice when they get an IDE without VA-X
When my trial ended, I had a few problems adjusting to everything
 
7:19 AM
@GamesBrainiac I certainly do. At one point I'd forgotten it was there, reinstalled the IDE for some reason, and was convinced I must have picked up a virus or something, because nothing worked right at all.
Took me close to a week before I realized what was going on (and by then, I'd already filed two or three bug reports with Microsoft about how awful the IDE was after reinstallation).
 
@JerryCoffin : LMAO
 
In fairness, I should add that that was with VS 6 though.
 
The funniest part was that you actually phoned up microsoft
Their support is horrible
But I guess that happens. I mean, as a coder, these are the tools of our trade, and if anything goes wrong, we're messed up
 
@GamesBrainiac No -- filed them online. To my recollection, I've only ever called Microsoft support once. That was to MSDN support though, which was pretty decent at the time.
 
@JerryCoffin : Oh, I see. Well, right now the support is quite bad. I got VS2012 through the DreamSpark program, so I do not have access to MSDN support
 
7:26 AM
@GamesBrainiac I don't right now either, but had a subscription through work at the time. OTOH, in around 10 years worth of MSDN subscriptions, I only ever used one support call, so I can't say it's something I miss a lot.
 
@JerryCoffin : That is quite some experience you got there. I have a year's worth of Java experience, and thats it.
:P
I know its not the best language in the world, but its one that I learnt quite well, so I have a soft spot for it
 
@GamesBrainiac Yeah, I'm one of the resident old farts, which leads to all sorts of interesting experience.
 
@JerryCoffin : Hey, you're one of the nicest guys here. I've talked to you for a while, and not for once have you called me a "n0000b", which feels good! :P
 
@GamesBrainiac I only learnt Java after years of using everything from Fortran to Pascal to C to ... I've used it when I had to, but never formed any fondness for it.
 
I know I don't know much, but its because of guys like you, that I can atleast learn something constructively in this language
@JerryCoffin : I dunno. I mean, with Java you can do loads of things, and it makes application development quite easy.
 
7:31 AM
@GamesBrainiac Noob is nothing to be ashamed of -- anybody who isn't a noob (at something) apparently isn't learning anything new, and that would be shameful.
 
@JerryCoffin : I know, but its when you ask a noob question, and people think that you are trying to make them do your work. When actually, you just stumbled accross some bad documentation! :P
Can't say I blame them. People here struggle with cryptic error messages all day
 
and basic ones..
 
@GamesBrainiac There are clearly a lot of people who like it, but if I were to list favorite languages, it would be quite a ways down the list.
 
like missing a semicolon at the end of a class declaration.
 
@Rapptz : I rarely see a guy who has a semi-colon missing
 
7:34 AM
Browse more.
 
lol
But so far, I've recieved good help
 
@Rapptz Yup -- some like that can lead to some pretty horrific error messages too.
 
Every now and then a really mean person comes along
but there are awesome people like you guys! :D
So, thats what I have to go on
 
@GamesBrainiac They come up pretty routinely.
 
@JerryCoffin : I guess, I'll help those ones out.
 
7:35 AM
Well, I probably need to go sleep. Talk to you all later.
 
user142019
Good morning.
 
@JerryCoffin : Cya! :D
@Zoidberg : Hiya zoid! Hows zoidlang?
 
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As terrible as it's always been.
 
lol
I thought this was going to change the world! :P
 
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I'm working on it.
 
7:37 AM
@Zoidberg : So, what kind of language you aiming for?
 
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One that is object-oriented and has no implicit type conversions except for upcasts.
 
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Because fuck implicit type conversions.
 
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And RAII.
 
lol
just modify python a bit
 
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No I want static typing you fool.
 
7:40 AM
lol
 
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I'm defining the syntax and I need to define binary operators now but I have no idea to do precedence.
 
hope syntax is like python
 
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No but tabs are illegal.
 
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Syntax is like a mix of C# and CoffeeScript.
 
7:43 AM
that sounds good
c# and CS?
 
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C#, not c#.
 
Thats like java with no semi colons
but braces
 
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No what the fuck.
 
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Java is fucking terrible.
 
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It's the worst language ever.
 
7:44 AM
@Zoidberg : Hey! It aint that bad
 
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Yes it is.
 
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It's uninteresting and has no features at all.
 
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It's OO C with less UB and exceptions.
 
Dunno about that
I seem to quite like it
Gets the job done, and some of my favourtive applications are built using java
 
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Die.
 
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7:46 AM
Java may get the job done but it's better to use the best tool for the job.
 
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Java is never the right tool for the job because there is always a superior alternative.
 
@Zoidberg : gets out a later rifle Astala vista zoid!
 
user142019
Altavista?
 
@Zoidberg : You're still talking, your head is supposed to be blown up! XD
 
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I disagree completely.
 
7:47 AM
anyhoo
i do agree that c# does a better job on windows
but if you want cross platfrom, few things can beat java
perhaps python
 
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@GamesBrainiac Uh, about everything.
 
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If you want to target JVM, use Jython, JRuby, Scala or Clojure.
 
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And other languages that work on many platforms are Python, Ruby, C, C++, JavaScript, Haskell, Erlang.
 
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7:51 AM
Fortran.
 
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So saying that Java is superior because it's cross-platform is complete bullshit.
 
C++?
You kidding me?
 
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Yes there are C++ compilers that target many platforms.
 
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I can run the same C++ program on x86 and ARM if it's well-written no problems.
 
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And on Windows and Linux and OS X.
 
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7:54 AM
Sure, I have to recompile it but who cares.
 
Well, I guess you're the more experienced here. But for me, I've always seen Java best on different platfroms. I mean jetbrains chose java to develop all their IDEs on, and lemme tell you, for me atleast, they're the best IDEs out there
 
user142019
No the best IDE is Vim + Z shell.
 
Vim? Hell no.
 
user142019
Go away Vim is the best.
 
Xeo
Do we really have a Java fanboy in here now? :|
Also, mornin
 
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8:01 AM
BAN HIM.
 
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Also hi
 
Xeo
Gah, time to get to work, I guess
 
user142019
Nah. Slacking is better.
 
@Zoidberg : lol. Ban me over java? And I never was a fanboy, just tried to show java had its uses! :P
 
Xeo
Eh, I'm still in my trial period, so slacking off for no reason wouldn't be good.
 
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8:06 AM
Put some vigoruous template wankery in your C++ code so you can slack off while it's compiling.
 
@Xeo : Well, good luck, hope you get the job! :D
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg I wish I was actually writing C++ right now. :/ They bestowed upon me the task to make a review system work, and I'm almost done with that, but I have some permission problems which I still have to solve.
 
@Xeo : What languages do you like, other than C++ ofc...
 
@Zoidberg lol
 
@GamesBrainiac java has no uses
Also, morning
 
8:19 AM
@BartekBanachewicz : Here he comes again! :D The Gimp and Java hater, Bartek! :D
 
user142019
Java is inferior even to PHP.
 
@Zoidberg : Hey, that is just too low. PHP sucks hard
Its the worst thing on the planet
 
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@GamesBrainiac After Java.
 
@Zoidberg : Here we go again! :P
 
Xeo
Just accept it, Java is hated in this room.
@GamesBrainiac I recently came to like Haskell.
 
8:22 AM
^ that
 
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HASKELL <3
 
Fuck mobile
Aug 10 '12 at 9:08, by Bartek Banachewicz
on his memory block were too much or ugly. sorry for \n
 
Xeo
Anyways, off I go.
 
True, I tried out Haskell after Fred told me to try it out
 
Oh damn. That's my 2nd mesage n this room
 
8:23 AM
It was pretty cool
 
It is
Also, i don't hate java or gimp. I despise them, yes, but hate? They are just plainly inferior
 
Is there a programming language called hate?
 
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Yes: Java.
 
@Zoidberg : Come on man. Make peace, not war! :P
 
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Java makes war.
 
8:26 AM
With your fingers?
 
user142019
SQL y u LINQ--.
 
user1182183
:7815586 <- message not exist anymore?
 
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Oh yeah Zoidlang needs LINQ.
 
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TIL: VB.NET has type-inference.
 
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VB.NET is starting to suck less!
 
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8:30 AM
c++ has a linq library? ;o seems pretty usefull
 
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There are several.
 
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let me guess, boost has one?
 
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36
Q: Is there a LINQ library for C++?

Robert GouldAre there any Platform agnostic (not CLI) movements to get LINQ going for C++ in some fashion? I mean a great part of server frameworks around the world run on flavors of UNIX and having access to LINQ for C++ on UNIX would probably make lots of people happy!

 
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I really like this one: pfultz2.github.com/Linq even though it uses macro hell.
 
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LINQ is wonderful.
 
8:32 AM
...
 
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???
 
user1182183
when will zoidlang be complete so I can implement it in my singleplayer mod? :P
 
You went to sleep and missed some od the discussion
 
user142019
 
Mostly about what i think about Qt an C++ similarities to C#
 
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8:34 AM
Qt is terrible.
 
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@Zoidberg ahwell, atleast make a progress bar if all links are NULL.
 
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lol
 
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Good idea, actually.
 
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Will do that in a few hours.
 
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The spec link is there though. :P
 
8:35 AM
> inb4 my implementation won't conform.
 
@Zoidberg : So right now, your main work is on your new language? How much time do you spend on it?
 
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@GamesBrainiac whenever I have time.
 
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@TonyTheLion :P
 
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@Zoidberg will it have callbacks, like, I could do ExecuteCallBack(callback_name,...); from C++?
 
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8:36 AM
Wat.
 
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It has lambdas.
 
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myArray.sort(pure fn (a, b) a < b);
 
user1182183
@Zoidberg if I want to embed it into my mod is has to support callbacks :P (aka functions which can be called by an external script/program in this meaning)
 
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Yes that is possible.
 
It will have Zoidberg right?
 
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8:38 AM
in pawn we declare callbacks with 'public function_name(param1,param2)' and from c++ we call it with amx_Exec , though you have to find the ID first with amx_findPublic
 
Zoidberg should be a keyword
 
morning all
 
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how will it be in zoidlang?
 
even if it's meaningless
@thecoshman mawning. Another day of no fucks given?
 
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Zoidberg x = NULL; ++x; xD
 
8:39 AM
Are we still talking about Pawn?
 
no
Zoidlang is what we're talking about
 
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@TonyTheLion yep and I will be probably implementing it as an alternative to PAWN in my MODIFICATION for GTA SAN ANDREAS :P
 
Both are equally irrelevant
 
@TonyTheLion meh
 
@GamErix More caps, fuckwit
I am going to take a shower, brb
 
8:40 AM
@BartekBanachewicz IS THIS ENOUGH CAPS FOR YOU HOMIE?
 
Is there a way to get quick documentation on visual studio?
 
Holy crap on a cracker! Quick time!
 
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@GamesBrainiac what kind of documentation...?
 
just how a function is used
is there a way to configure it such that, you can get the documention here : cplusplus.com without having to go there?
 
@GamesBrainiac you sure you don't want documentation on C++?
 
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8:49 AM
@GamesBrainiac oh, like that, hmm, good question
 
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would like to know too
 
I can configure that on Eclipse
just wanted to know how you do it on VS2012
 
@GamErix no
pirate got it right
@GamesBrainiac which function do you want docs on?
 
vector.resize();
 
then launch chrome with en.cppreference.com
 
8:51 AM
You can easily get it on cplusplus.com
 
don't go to cplusplus.com for fucks sake
this site is bad
outdated and plainly wrong
 
@CatPlusPlus GUIs are bad at GUIs
 
see, this is why I get frustrated with cpp
 
@GamesBrainiac it's a shit site
 
whenever i talk about docs i've used
everyone says its crap
 
8:52 AM
no shit
wait
 
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@BartekBanachewicz he wants to have documentation displayed in VS, without opening any web browser. Now I want that too, you know how? ; p
 
2139
Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are released every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a good C++ book...

 
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A: Speed comparison with Project Euler: C vs Python vs Erlang vs Haskell

Thomas M. DuBuissonUsing GHC 7.0.3, gcc 4.4.6, Linux 2.6.29 on an x86_64 Core2 Duo (2.5GHz) machine, compiling using ghc -O2 -fllvm -fforce-recomp for Haskell and gcc -O3 -lm for C. Your C routine runs in 8.4 seconds (faster than your run probably because of -O3) The Haskell solution runs in 36 seconds (due to th...

> Conclusion: Haskell is awesome.
he he
 
@thecoshman meh
 
@FredOverflow moot
 
8:53 AM
Do you know that VS has built-in web browser?
 
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@BartekBanachewicz yes I know
 
@FredOverflow : Welcome! :D
 
@TonyTheLion meh?
 
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I used it to design my website LOL
 
@thecoshman meh???
 
8:53 AM
@BartekBanachewicz : This website is friggin awesome
 
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because I don't know CSS or HTML and won't bother learning it
 
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only basic stuff
 
@BartekBanachewicz : Does not have any examples though
which sucks
 
@BartekBanachewicz Seems like VS is becoming the next emacs :)
 
8:54 AM
@GamErix but you are using pawn. way to go
 
@TonyTheLion meh (in a suggestive voice)
 
@GamesBrainiac well, mine even has videos
 
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@BartekBanachewicz because pawn is C like. which was my basis for getting into C and C++
 
@FredOverflow you mean overrated? it's already that
 
@BartekBanachewicz : Your site? You made c++ docs site?
 
8:55 AM
@thecoshman No I meant, why on earth would you want an IDE with an integrated browser?
 
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else I wouldn't be here, blame PAWN for the fact that I'm here xD
 
@GamesBrainiac no, my VS silly
 
@FredOverflow for the same stupid reason they feel a need for an IDE I presume
 
@thecoshman What's wrong with IDEs?
 
@BartekBanachewicz : How big is your screen dammit?
 
8:56 AM
@GamesBrainiac these are two screens
 
@FredOverflow they lack point
 
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@GamesBrainiac 2 screens
 
@BartekBanachewicz : I hate people with two screens. Makes me sad! Wish I had more than one, its so useful when you have a tonne of code
 
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You can't just place the start bar in the fucking middle of 1 screen in windows lol
 
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Fuck C#.
 
8:57 AM
@GamErix why would I want to?
 
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Why can't I do return @char == -1 ? throw new EndOfStreamException() : (char)@char;.
 
@thecoshman no, you just don't get the point
 
@BartekBanachewicz ew ew ew, task bar in the middel
 
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@BartekBanachewicz with 2 screens it's cool like that, but no, no one would like, but maybe someone would
 
@thecoshman it's perfectly sensible to have it in the middle imho
 
8:58 AM
@BartekBanachewicz no, I just use a decent software
 
@Zoidberg : I think you want to fuck every single language except zoidlang
 
@thecoshman at least you think that's decent.
 
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And Haskell.
 
@GamesBrainiac How much does a second screen cost, $200 max?
 
@BartekBanachewicz tell me, what does an IDE offer you?
 
8:58 AM
@Zoidberg Fuck Haskell?!? :-(
 
@FredOverflow well, a cheap crappy one
 
@FredOverflow : $200 is a lot man
 
@thecoshman An integrated debugger, an editor and a compiler
that's the definition
Integrated
Development
Environment
 
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I can't seem to be able to run the performance analyser from VS ; F
 
@GamesBrainiac I've heard you can make $200 in one minute on the Internet ;-) just kidding
 
8:59 AM
@FredOverflow : Now, you're just pullin my leg. But glad to see you well Fred.
 
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ah well, g2g, cya
 

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