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8:00 AM
oh, now it's my fault. It does output
missed it on another line with bash prompt
well, whoever puts the answer with that workaround and a link to the bug - I accept it
@LucDanton ^ ^ ^ ^
 
Eh, answer it yourself. Or anyone else.
 
@LucDanton why not? o_O
 
busy doing things
 
okay
 
8:18 AM
guys, in case if I want to get into std::thread - would VS2012 express be enough for me or prefer clang/gcc instead?
 
@zerkms Yes, though I doubt if it's enough for you if you want better C++11 support.
 
it's (c++ and threads) just something to relax from boring web stuff, so presumably I don't need too much. well, then I'll give VS a chance, thanks
 
Wow! That's a totally a refreshing thing to hear coming from a webdev!
And a php gold badge holder! I... wow!
 
@MarkGarcia is it a good or bad thing actually?
)))
 
@zerkms It means you have survived the torment, a path I long abandoned. Ah, bad memories become good memories at some point in the future. :-)
Not to say it's all bad but...
 
8:28 AM
come on, at first place you're a developer. You can be bad or good regardless of what you're using in your everyday job :-)
 
@zerkms Yeah. A good webdev developer is still a good developer.
 
so, well, about an hour was spent to just get it worked. Now it's time to do some stuff I really know how to do ))
 
Wait. That's pretty redundant.
webdev developer. facepalm
 
@MarkGarcia check en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome if you haven't yet
 
@ScottW You mean you produce developers? Oh wait there's Telkitty...
@zerkms Read that some time ago. Gave me much realizations on how stupid I am to say those. :)
 
9:05 AM
it's ridiculous to be called ATM
it's a cash machine
 
@DeadMG Well, it can check your balance, top up your phone and, (in some cases), take cash deposits.
 
true, but pretty much all of those functions are irrelevant
I can top up my phone from my phone, and check my balance too
also, who uses cash? this ain't 1913.
 
@DeadMG 'who uses cash': bars.
 
dumb things
 
I call them 'cash machines' too, in UK. Elsewhere, I use 'ATM'.
 
9:19 AM
hmm
 
9:59 AM
Right now I'm trying to figure out whether or not 4503599761588224 is the smallest double for which (int) sqrt(x) is incorrect
for an isqrt(uint64_t x) function
wut
 
eh
sqrt(4503599761588224) is only 67,108,865.
a modern CPU should be able to pull 67 million iterations relatively quickly.
just iterate from 1.
 
yeah
I tested all squares-1 and squares+1
then this number comes out as first error
 
then congratulations, you know that it is?
 
but I'm not sure whether that solves the issue entirely
 
how can it not?
you checked every possible smaller integer and determined that they all gave the correct output.
 
10:08 AM
for example doing the same thing for float gives me 16785408
 
why is that surprising?
double is more precise, so it gives a better result.
 
16785407 also is incorrect
(int)sqrtf(16785407) gives 4097
 
fun fact
16785407 * 4 = 67,141,628.
 
so that makes me think I need AT LEAST squares + 2/squares - 2
but my gut feeling says I have found the lower bound for double
 
2 messages moved to bin
1 message moved to bin
 
10:16 AM
well, checking squares+-2 gave same result
I guess it's correct
 
the real way to prove that it's correct is to demonstrate algebraically why it should be that value.
 
You need to drink more.
 
you want to sleep?
protip: turn off computer
 
then turn your phone off
 
10:19 AM
protip: turn off phone
 
drink, drugs, sex
 
@nightcracker anything but that!
 
NO
NOT THE PHONE
ANYTHING BUT THE PHONE
 
everything but the girl
now now
 
Scott needs a nanny
I quote
"As late as the seventeenth century in Europe the practice was commonly employed by nannies to put their young male charges to sleep."
(please, by all means google that sentence)
 
10:23 AM
by all means
 
BY ALL MEANS
 
@ScottW don't worry, Tony will come back for you <3
 
YES
YES THE PHONE
ANYTHING INCLUDING THE PHONE
 
He always does, but you always cheat on him
poor Tony the puss
 
yeah
people that'll enter be like
 
10:27 AM
@nightcracker dammit that's scary
 
Xeo
DIDN'T EXPECT THAT, EH?!
 
I wonder if that person survived it in the end.
 
Xeo
Stealth-Bin!
 
WHERE IS IT
 
@ScottW I am good, some relatives came over and I got another expensive bag as a gift ... what did I do to deserve this good luck?
 
Xeo
10:28 AM
Ugh, I need to get up and out and get my package from the postal shop.
 
@ScottW I don't know who's pups anymore now.
 
Xeo
Well which animal in here is known for binning?
 
My mum went overseas and met my aunties and I got a bunch of nice jewelries as gifts...
not very expensive ones ... but very nice/pretty
 
trying to download intel c++ compiler
<strong> If your download did not start,</strong> click <strong > <a href="<download link>" target="_blank" tabindex="1"> <product name></a></strong> to restart the download, or see below for additional download options, individual component downloads, and product updates.
10/10 intel... 10/10
 
10:35 AM
Software is not Intel's strong point.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked lol, division by zero
 
@Xeo I think it's strange that it shows the entire path of the file.
I just noticed I've been reading Liesl incorrectly as Lies!
It's much less confusing now.
> Forever Liesl: A Memoir of The Sound of Music
At first glance it looks like Forever Lies!
 
@ScottW Maybe you should make some pasta
> Borland Software Corporation is a software company first headquartered in Scotts Valley, California, then in Cupertino, California, and finally in Austin, Texas.[3] It is now a Micro Focus subsidiary. It was founded in 1983 by Niels Jensen, Ole Henriksen, Mogens Glad and Philippe Kahn.
"Scotts Valley"
 
10:52 AM
in the starboard?
 
@ScottW That's an improvement I guess.
 
@DeadMG 16785407 * 4 == 67'141'628; // FTFY
 
@ScottW Stop being so miserable.
 
@nightcracker Hang on... Yup. It's now on the starboard!
 
@sehe Whats up?
 
10:54 AM
why do I always think sehe's avatar is a white gorilla
 
A relative directional notion conventionally defined to be oppposite of the direction in which the dominant (or effective) gravitional forces are locally operating.
 
I just used a goto. In a Windows batch file.
 
@nightcracker Because you aren't very bright? Because you need to see an optician?
 
@sehe Or basically n*i-hat :P
 
@FredOverflow Pretty much inevitable for any non-trivial batch file
 
10:56 AM
well it's this teeny tiny icon
 
Not my fault
 
@FredOverflow Beg for forgiveness from the lords of code :P
 
> "code"
He was talking batch files
 
OMG Windows batch doesn't even have AND and OR???
 
@FredOverflow use powershell
 
10:58 AM
@sehe It seems I can denote blocks with normal parenthesis.
Oh, the Windows command line has the concept of a directory stack. Interesting:
C:\WINDOWS>pushd c:\temp
C:\temp>pushd c:\
C:\>popd
C:\temp>popd
C:\WINDOWS>
 
must you use cmd?
 
python scripts ftw.
 
python is pretty awesome :D
But I think its time to learn something static again.
Dynamical languages are kind of limited.
 
@FredOverflow pretty old hat. I have last read all help for cmd.exe in... 2006 I think.
afk
 
11:13 AM
@FredOverflow I have cd aliased to pushd
@FredOverflow And an alias for pd for popd
 
Is it normal that a Blu-ray-player has Java support? I kinda want one without Java, if possible :D
 
11:37 AM
@ScottW Oh come on.
Morning.
 
@FredOverflow The bluray standard requires Java and PHP support
 
lolwat
 
BD-J, or Blu-ray Disc Java, is a specification supporting Java ME (specifically the Personal Basis Profile of the Connected Device Configuration or CDC) Xlets for advanced content on Blu-ray Disc and the Packaged Media profile of Globally Executable MHP (GEM). BD-J allows bonus content on Blu-ray Disc titles to be far more sophisticated than bonus content provided by standard DVD, including network access, picture-in-picture and access to expanded local storage. Collectively, these features (other than internet access) are referred to as "Bonus View", and the addition of internet access is...
> All Blu-ray Disc players supporting video content are required by the specification to support BD-J.[1] Starting on October 31, 2007, all new players are required to have hardware support for the "Bonus View" features, but the players may require future firmware updates to enable the features.
@nightcracker It seems you weren't trolling after all :)
 
read the second part of my sentence again
 
11:45 AM
Of course PHP was trolling, how would Blu-ray benefit from PHP? lol
But I thought you were also trolling about Java.
 
everything becomes better with a bit of PHP
 
Ask not how would Blu-ray benefit from PHP, ask how would PHP benefit from Blu-ray.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes By following it into obscurity and history?
 
Is Steam down?
 
Xeo
Not for me
 
11:56 AM
Nevermind, seems like it was just a random failure.
 
hey
 
12:16 PM
Oh crap. Github is out.
 
user image
8
 
@Jefffrey +++++++++++++1
 
@Jefffrey I didn't know "Inspect with Firebug lite" was Italian.
3
 
12:25 PM
Latin. ;)
> We have confirmed GitHub.com and Gist are both undergoing a large DDoS attack and are working to mitigate the attack.
October 14
 
Guys, what do you think of my boolean expression evaluator for educational purposes?
______________
!beeperAhead()
!true
false
________________________________
!frontIsClear() || beeperAhead()
!true || false
false || false
false
___________________________________________________
frontIsClear() && (leftIsClear() || rightIsClear())
false && (false || true)
false && (true)
false && true
false
____________________________________________________
!(frontIsClear() || leftIsClear() || rightIsClear())
!(true || true || false)
!(true)
!true
false
lol, I just noticed all examples are false. I'm a pessimist, I guess...
 
Ooh, that's lovely
 
@Jefffrey 5 days?
no man
that was some time ago.
they're doing emergency maintenance. Wonder what that means.
 
Hello everyone
 
@rubenvb I meant: "Huge DDoS attack" -> No downtime. If they are down, some real shit is happening.
 
12:43 PM
@Jefffrey oh lol.
 
user1804599
Bonjour.
 
Guten Tag.
 
Mawning.
 
Grüß Gott
 
hi
 
12:44 PM
'ello.
 
what IDEs are you guys using?
 
@visDEVion Qt Creator.
 
user1804599
None, duh.
 
Sublime Text
 
None.
 
user1804599
12:45 PM
My IDE is Unix.
 
@not-rightfold mhm?
 
K0d3 blawks
 
you just write code with simple text editor and compile it through command line?
 
user1804599
Duh.
 
@visDEVion lots of people do.
 
user1804599
12:46 PM
Who needs more than that?
 
user1804599
Except Java programmers.
 
We are badass programmers, we don't use fancy stuff. That's for pussies.
 
:DD
 
It's essentially what an IDE does. But an IDE gives you stuff like goto error location, git integration, visual debugging.
 
nice
 
12:47 PM
visual debugging?
tss
I debug in my mind
 
Anyone familiar with the "request not supported" exception from Boost.Filesystem? I'm getting it on boost::filesystem::create_symlink. I've looked at the source and it seems it needs a higher _WIN32_WINNT version. I compiled Boost with MinGW 4.8.1. from mingw-builds so I guess that could be the problem?
 
user1804599
The only difference between Unix and an IDE is that an IDE is more crash-prone because it does everything in a single process.
 
Me too. Or I just add print statements until my mind is blown.
 
90% of the time when I see there was an error I instantly know how to fix it
 
user1804599
I can do Git, debugging and go to error location all without IDE.
 
12:48 PM
my process is literally this
 
@not-rightfold how do you make go to error location work without some sort of IDE-ish text editor?
 
user1804599
The compiler prints line numbers and my editor features “go to line number in file.”
 
winkey+` git commit -am "bla"
 
ugh
keyboard wankers.
 
user1804599
Fuck mice.
 
12:49 PM
or more often
 
lol
 
winkey+` ctrl-n (where n is the tab where I keep git open) UP backspace backspace message enter
 
@rubenvb Erm, error messages include location information.
 
use vim, win. simple as that
now let's talk about something interesting, I'll give you two alternatives; boobies or tits.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but clicking on the error is so much easier than following some long filename to fnd the :### part...
 
user1804599
12:50 PM
> clicking
 
@refp Boobies!
No, tits
Boobies
 
user1804599
Tit traps.
 
Tits.
 
... "clicking".
what the fuck?
 
I CAN'T DECIDE
How about... Titties?
 
user1804599
12:51 PM
 
@rubenvb that's not a feature foreign to text editors.
 
I actually think that it's a very good idea not to use an ide
 
Have you realized the word Boob actually represents boobs from 3 different angles?
 
What do you use for profiling with Clang? Valgrind?
 
@not-rightfold I changed mine, now change yours.
<- winning.
 
12:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes hence my IDE-ish text editor.
 
what would you recomend for building? Cmake?
 
B from the top, oo from the front and b from the side. :D
 
@visDEVion yeah, that's the easiest and most usable if you can make it past its horrible syntax.
 
@Tuntuni did you think of this yourself? no, now gtfo.
 
@refp Erm, what? So what if I didn't? I don't get your point.
 
12:53 PM
@rubenvb what else can you offer?
 
user1804599
@visDEVion I use Waf. Normal people use SCons. The insane uses make.
 
@Tuntuni follow the reply-path.
 
user1804599
Or just a shell script. :v:
 
me not love you long time.
aanyhow..
 
@visDEVion scons, autotools (don't!), premake, ... really there's a humongous amount of build systems.
 
user1804599
12:53 PM
I like make.
 
@not-rightfold but but dependency rebuilding!
 
user1804599
@rubenvb rebuild everything on every build. :P
 
@not-rightfold uhu
 
user1804599
How do build systems prevent doing that anyway? I’ve always wondered.
 
user1804599
Checksums?
 
12:55 PM
really, until the build script matters (I have contributors in my project or the build times become to long) I just write a make.bat
 
Yes, but you suck.
 
okay and a question for linux guys: what editor?
 
@not-rightfold often just date modified
@visDEVion sublime text 2
 
user1804599
@visDEVion Vim or Sublime Text 2 (with Vintage and VintageEx, of course).
 
I tried vim multiple times
I really did
 
12:56 PM
@visDEVion ugh, dude, there's like tons. Just google and try em all.
 
but it just hurted my workflow too much and didn't get used to it =/
 
Use a hex editor!
 
user1804599
Note that Sublime Text 2 is not free. At least, it’s the WinRAR kind of free, but slightly less annoying.
 
lol
 
@not-rightfold it's free if you know how to use google
sublime text 2 gives me enough freedom with multiple cursors and ctrl+d I don't really need vim too much
 
user1804599
12:57 PM
@visDEVion ed.
 
user1804599
Or tac. Also nice.
 
real men use dd to code
 
I always wonder what kind of crappy code people write that make multiple cursors so goddamn useful.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes multiple cursors basically replaced ctrl+h for me
 
12:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just ctrl+D a few times then type, append or whatever
 

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