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2:01 PM
> mkdir: cannot create directory `/root/coliru/Web/../CompileArchive/1cfca76f569a20d3': Too many links
:s
 
groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/forum/#!topic/std-proposals/… (Warning: Vlad from Moscow). What's the point of this?
 
lol @ warning
@Rapptz As usual with Vlad, probably something he did once and thought was super useful all the time.
(The jury is out on whether it was even useful that one time he used it)
 
lol
The example he uses is copy_if to copy all elements.
 
Why can't I give this an explicit type (C#): var ints = years.Select(y => new { x = int.Parse(y) }); years is a List<string> and I want to convert all values in that list to int
I thought this should be possible
but my ints is some anonymous type
 
2:13 PM
@ArneMertz Thermomix
 
whyyyyyy
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion It's IEnumerable<string>, IIRC
 
@TonyTheLion .Select(y => int.Parse(y))?
 
@TonyTheLion Because you're explicitly creating an anonymous type, then this is what you get
 
Xeo
Oh, lol
 
2:17 PM
@BartekBanachewicz uhm. almost looks like I throw a reciepe in there and it does it all by itself :/
 
Xeo
So, anybody here ever released an iOS App through the AppStore? :D
 
@BartoszKP meh
 
@Xeo From what Telkitty says, she apparently has.
 
@TonyTheLion See snippet by @R.MartinhoFernandes - it does what you probably want : )
 
o_0 just realised perhaps I shouldn't look at random subreddits at work... before /r/ragingHardOns get's selected
 
2:25 PM
@ArneMertz pretty much
also hi @BartoszKP
 
@BartekBanachewicz cześć : D
 
@Xeo Yes.
 
@BartoszKP now they'll ask if a cat stomped on your keyboard :)
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I might bug you a few times in the coming month, then.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Select(int.Parse) :v
 
2:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz We might ask the same if they'll start their Dutch thing going ;0
 
is it possible to get terminal tabs to display something more informative than 'vim' ? eg something like 'vim - blah.cpp'
 
lol, shouldilearnjava.com is filtered at work
 
I have to go, uni projects won't do themselves. cya all.
 
Xeo
Wir sollten einfach alle auf Deutsch schreiben.
 
2:28 PM
cya
Deutsch ich vertehe ein bissen :P
 
@Crowz :help title
 
@BartoszKP Aber kanst du nicht gut schreiben :P
 
@cHao Alas, command not found. I'm using the OS X default if that matters
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Leider nicht : )
 
@Crowz Yeah...your Vim has to be compiled with that feature enabled
 
2:32 PM
off to see next clean code episode! (excitement), bye all
 
not sure how OSX has it configured, but apparently that isn't enabled
you could install from source if you really want it...or, there might be some way to output a raw "hey terminal, set the title to this" string
 
@Xeo Wie geht's bei dir?
 
Xeo
Ganz gut, nächste(n 2) Woche(n) Urlaub.
 
@Crowz Did you do :set title?
 
@Xeo :( Kein Urlaub für mich vor Weinacht.
 
Xeo
2:37 PM
*Weihnachten
 
@Xeo Prepare for pain that is Apple development
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I'm already working on the iOS app since August
 
Last time I did this, publishing an app in App Store took only 6 tries.
 
Xeo
ugh
 
2:41 PM
(And you have to change the bundle version each time)
 
Xeo
Any example-rejection-reasons?
 
@Xeo "Wir mögen diese App nicht"?
 
Some build setting was wrong (but it compiles fine), Internet connection died for a second
Double check the SDK version, the target version and the architectures against the target version
Oh, and you better not have two certificates with the same name, even if only one of them is valid!
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Double-check where?
 
In project settings
 
Xeo
2:45 PM
FWIW, I'm not using XCode. This is a Flash-App that I'm porting to work nicely on iOS :/
 
Holy Crap! Kitties everywhere!!!!!
 
You'll probably use Xcode anyway
 
Xeo
So far, I have not
 
I'm not sure you can upload to App Store without Xcode
What, you thought you can choose your own tools? :v
 
Xeo
:s
As long as I get an .ipa, it seems I can just upload that
> Using Xcode, create an archive, validate it, and submit it to the App Store.
There gotta be some other way to submit it.
 
2:49 PM
lol
 
@Xeo Nope.
 
Xeo
Bloody hell.
 
Through iTunes Connect you can only create new version (so you can upload the file through Xcode)
 
Xeo
But at least it seems like you decide when the app is finally released on the App Store?
 
@Xeo You can decide. Whether Apple will abide by your decision is a separate question.
 
2:53 PM
I think if you submit it for review, it gets published automatically after that
 
Hi, does anyone know how what is the compiler flag to ask intel icc to bring in the fortran library?
 
-please-give-me-fortran
 
OK just a second, I'll give an simple example
 
No don't
 
OK :)
 
2:59 PM
@Rapptz alas, command also not found
 
@CatPlusPlus So you don't get to pick your release dates?
 
Dunno, really. I didn't manage the metadata
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean you want control over your software?
 
you mean you have no control of your software?
 
not with apple :P
 
3:06 PM
EAT IT!!! >_<
 
Hello C++ guru's anyone able to explain a bit of code to me, looking to convert to c#?
 
@CatPlusPlus I've heard people claim that it can take up to a few months between submission and availability. I haven't seen solid data to confirm those statements, but they're from people I'd consider reasonably trustworthy. In one of the cases of which I'm aware, I'd guess the content of the app could have led to a delay (could be considered borderline pornographic), but in the other I don't see any such possibility.
 
Terrible, terrible joke supressed.
 
Is it me or Android looks like a walking garbage can?
 
3:10 PM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 awww, this is so cute.
 
@JerryCoffin There's no guaranteed time for review
 
It baffles me how so many businesses put up with such crap.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What businesses you talking about?
 
@CatPlusPlus ...thus rendering the "immediately after review" essentially meaningless.
 
@JerryCoffin Well, no.
It gets published after the review, but you just don't know when the review will happen.
 
3:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes because they believe it is worth it. You would shovel some shit an apple? doubt it. But for a million euro?
 
You won't get a million euro from an iOS app.
You probably won't even get your costs back.
 
what is macports?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes putting up with shit can be worthwhile
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 It's you, I see a green R2-D2 with antennas
 
3:13 PM
@CatPlusPlus Hush you're killing the dreams of hundreds of apple fanboys.
 
For our apps the review was 5-7 days, but that's not set in stone
And there's also the possibility that the reviewers will say NOPE
 
it's weird that my chrome new tab page is a bunch of documentation and this C++ room
 
E.g. Apple is not very good at computers, and their in-app purchases system is shit, so you have to make a butan for users to manually restore purchased items, if they ever reset the phone or get a new one
The butan requirement is one tiny remark in their docs
 
Xeo
wtf
 
Better analyse every component you ever used!
 
3:15 PM
a 'butan'?
 
Xeo
Good thing our game is online
 
If you have any paid stuff, you have to go through StoreKit
Otherwise NOPE
 
Xeo
Yeah, we need to look into that
@CatPlusPlus How the fuck am I supposed to use StoreKit from within AS3 code? :|
 
@Xeo Have fun
And better get used to Xcode
(Don't use Page Up, Page Down, Home or End)
 
4:03 PM
You don't say..
 
user1804599
4:15 PM
@thecoshman censorship => leave.
 
@not-rightfold just checked it from home... think I might question why that site is filtered
 
user1804599
Nope.
 
oh... not always such a polite message :P
 
IT LIVES.
IT. LIVES.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can’t you just do .Select(int.Parse)?
 
Xeo
4:23 PM
2 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
@R.MartinhoFernandes Select(int.Parse) :v
 
user1804599
:v
 
it's cold
@CatPlusPlus I never used any of those keys anyway.
 
@thecoshman Let's be honest: it's not like the site actually provides an information not already obvious to a person who's reasonably informed and/or has an IQ higher than his shoe size.
 
@DeadMG Really?
 
yes
 
4:24 PM
Wow
 
what?
 
@JerryCoffin American shoe size?
 
user1804599
Control+A and control+E ftw.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That was what I had in mind -- European shoe size would work as well, but places the bar a lot higher than I'd intended.
 
If you were to start learning thread programming today, would you learn std::thread first or boost::thread?
 
std::, but they're both equally bad.
 
Hehe, well I have to start at the bottom
 
Xeo
no
Start at the top
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lack of const.
 
4:44 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit dunno but it works with public inheritance
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold Nope
@Abyx Yes
 
user1804599
It’s still wrong.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold You can catch by ref-to-non-const.
 
user1804599
You can also allocate all objects using new.
 
Xeo
heh
 
user1804599
4:45 PM
vOv
 
user1804599
My implementation of filter does not work and I have no idea why.
 
user1804599
Ah, = doesn’t work on lists.
 
user1804599
Hmm. New working draft: isocpp.org/files/papers/N3797.pdf
 
@Xeo Ha, I tried that. I got confused too quickly. My codefu is weak.
 
4:53 PM
@Abyx oh, oops
:D
ta
I've been staring at that for ages
 
user1804599
> [](auto v1, auto v2, auto v3) { std::cout << v1 << v2 << v3; }
 
user1804599
:D
 
Damn, I'm sick.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, Mr. host, I can name that tune in three words. It's "DeadMG's lament."
6
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sick as in there: sexylosers.com/037.html ? :0000
 
5:02 PM
I'm sexy but not a loser.
 
@BartoszKP SFW?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit For mine yes, but I guess in general not
 
My graphics driver keeps crashing :\
 
@BartoszKP Yeah, no.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit are you in trouble? : D
 
5:16 PM
@StackedCrooked Wow. Nice work. (Honestly, could happen anywhere, I suppose. They all should have legitimate ground for asylum, I suppose :))
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nobody is sexy when they're sick
 
Yeah, I guess it's a lucky call.
 
hey folks
 
Ell
Hi puppy
How was your visit?
 
it actually wasn't a total writeoff
 
Ell
5:18 PM
That's good then
 
I got a new blood test appointment, I got a medical certificate for the next month, I got a prescription, and more importantly, my doc owned up and finally suggested that I might actually have a serious problem.
9
 
Ell
What can the drugs do?
 
@DeadMG prescription for which meds?
 
Domperidone
 
@DeadMG did you have to pressure him into it?
 
5:20 PM
no
not really
all I had to do was explain that I was getting quite a lot worse and the weight loss wasn't helping at all.
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, I still don't think it's a good idea.
it's just that now I accept that I'm sufficiently desperate.
 
Ell
@DeadMG is this to solve the problem or to prevent symptoms?
 
You got a blood test appointment? My GP just does it himself.
 
5:23 PM
they have nurses for that
 
Ell
speaking of which the NHS is having a nurse shortage crisis
 
@Ell Just reduce symptoms, in theory. I'll need surgery at the current rate.
 
Ell
1000 foreign workers will be employed apparently
 
just goes to show that we don't train people in the skills we need.
we have a high unemployment rate, but we bring in foreign workers to work.
 
@DeadMG It could show rather different things from that -- such as the job being necessary but poorly enough paid that few local people want it.
 
5:27 PM
@JerryCoffin They'd have little choice about it if they want to keep receiving money from the gov.
 
@DeadMG If you had lots of unemployed people qualified for the job, I'd agree. The problem, of course, is that if the job pays poorly, people are unlikely to go to school for it. IOW, yes, there are probably few qualified people, but that's a symptom, not the problem.
 
well I gotta admit that you can't ask people to get into a bunch of debt going to school for years to get a low-paid menial job like being a nurse.
 
Ell
IMHO the issue is that being on benefits is more attractive than having a job (in some cases)
 
no it fucking well isn't.
I've been on benefits, will be on benefits again soon, and it's really not that attractive.
except in some corner cases when you have a bunch of children
and you can only get minimum-wage jobs
but the reality is for 99% of the people on benefits, they don't want to be on benefits.
 
Ell
Hmm
I don't know, that isn't the impression I'm under. But then neither of us have figures to back it up
unless you do?
 
5:36 PM
well, the benefits you can get from jobseeker's allowance is about a fifth of what you can earn on minimum wage.
 
Ell
Only from april 2013 though I think
 
yeah, before that it was even less.
 
Ell
Well, officially
It wasn't, it was even more
 
even if you also get housing benefit for double that amount (living in an expensive area), it's still nowhere near as much as you can earn.
 
Ell
Before april 2013, people could recieve more than the average wage for working families
 
5:38 PM
whoah, whoah.
people can receive more now, I think, depending on how it's structured.
 
Ell
@DeadMG but why should you be allowed to work in an expensive area?
 
but the circumstances you need to actually achieve that are so limited
 
Ell
Well, live in london for one :/
 
@Ell Well, I think that the government currently can't compel people to move to other areas for work.
 
Ell
I don't think they do at the minute, but why not?
 
5:39 PM
not sure.
anyways, working even a minimum wage job is a lot more income than most claimants can get
Not really.
 
Ell
Maybe that's true. If it's not it should be true
 
it was a question.
@Ell I don't necessarily agree.
 
lol, i was just asking something about c++
 
just ask on SO.
gah.
 
Ell
@DeadMG I think a lot of people would disagree with me too. Why do you disagree?
 
5:49 PM
@user1257255 Questions about C++ belong on SO.
 
Ell
just do [so]
 
@DeadMG You need the "http://" for it to recognize it as a URL and format it as a link.
 
@Ell Because it's not a productive attitude.
if you want people to not be on benefits, you have to ask yourself why they are on benefits.
and if your answer is, "They don't work because they don't want to work", then you're doing it wrong.
sure, there are some people who can do it that way, but not most of them.
 
Ell
I agree that it is a minority with that attitude
 
so
frankly, the money you give them, I wouldn't necessarily say that the amount is irrelevant
but it's not really very important.
what's important is effectively addressing the issues- lack of training/skills, poor economy, that kind of thing.
if you address them people will find work.
 
Ell
5:52 PM
Are there not many unskilled jobs available?
 
well, ask yourself
 
Ell
I get the feeling that people on benefits try to get their optimal job, as opposed to just getting any job
 
if the primary cause of people being on benefits is because they don't want to work
 
@Ell There are always unskilled jobs available, but virtually all of them pay poorly, so of course nobody wants them.
 
why is it there are so many more unemployed during recessions?
the number of lazy people should be pretty much constant.
 
Ell
5:53 PM
@JerryCoffin Which is why I think the benefits received should be lower than the wages of these jobs
 
@JerryCoffin The issue is a little more complex than that. For example, if you have a family and existing financial obligations like a mortgage, then you can't go do a minimum wage job- you'd be just as destitute as being unemployed.
 
Ell
@DeadMG if you'd be "just as destitute", then why shouldn't you work?
Surely working for x is better than not working for x, and is fairer for the country
 
because if a job that actually did pay enough to meet your obligations came along, then you'd have just gotten a new job.
most employers don't employ people who are gonna fuck off in two months if they find another job.
it doesn't make financial sense for them after administration, training, and other such costs.
 
@Ell Although it's probably quite un-American, I tend to think the opposite. Rather than limiting the amount of money, most benefits should simply have more conditions -- e.g., that you're in school and receiving decent grades. Better to pay more for a short time than somewhat less for a lot longer.
 
and if you have a job, and you leave it after two months without a very good reason (illness, family death, that kind of thing) then you'll rapidly find yourself unemployed in the future on a more permanent basis.
 
Ell
5:57 PM
@JerryCoffin I guess that is right yeah
 
@JerryCoffin I fully agree.
one of the biggest problems our economies face is the price of education.
I think that it's (possibly literally) bankrupting us.
 
Ell
Ahh physics lesson, back later!
 
@DeadMG Oh, I realize I wasn't giving the whole story, but the fact remains that even when the economy is terrible and unemployment is high, there are always openings for at least a few really crappy jobs.
 
@Ell it's 7pm.
 
I'm guessing N3797's been posted already.
 
6:02 PM
new draft?
 
user1804599
1 hour ago, by not-rightfold
Hmm. New working draft: http://isocpp.org/files/papers/N3797.pdf
 
@DeadMG Another place I'm probably quite un-American--instead of student loans, I think we should set up scholarships so essentially anybody can go to at least a decent college essentially for free, as long as they maintain good enough grades. In the long term, they'd earn extra money (and pay more taxes) soon enough for this to be positive not only for them, but the country as a whole (and I suspect that's true for most countries).
 
@not-rightfold Figured as much.
 
@JerryCoffin I also fully agree with you.
to some extent, anyway.
I personally seriously question whether or not universities offer value for money.
and I would start by making it illegal for them to not publish all their course materials online for free.
 
@DeadMG While I agree in principle, the fact remains that from the viewpoint of the country as a whole, people with degrees (on average) earn more and pay more taxes. Whether that should be the case or not, it mostly is.
 
6:09 PM
@JerryCoffin I know that it is. The question is whether or not universities offer value for money when it comes to how much it costs to get people those degrees.
 
Even when course materials are available online, it's a lot easier for an employer to check the "degree in X" box than try to figure out the prospective employee's competence independently.
@DeadMG I don't see much question there -- it seems pretty clear (to me) that they're quite inefficient. I'm quite convinced that they know the benefits of a degree as well as we do, and have simply decided to take advantage of it, and get as big a piece of the pie as they can get away with.
 
@JerryCoffin I agree that because there's basically no competition, they have no reason to be efficient.
 
I went to school for free but I was smart enough to know that some stuff definitely isn't fair like the prices of books (really? $300 for a shitty book and you are mandating the newest edition?) and the fact that some places make you pay for one of the most basic academic necessities a student needs, printing.
 
@JerryCoffin True. But all you need to get a degree is to pass exams/coursework. You wouldn't need to attend for all of it. You could just pay a small fee to be examined. And some can be done online rather than in person.
the costs of going to university aren't just about tuition
 
@JerryCoffin Quite clearly the biggest culprit of this are for-profit universities. Quite sadly one of the most pathetic scams I know of.
 
6:21 PM
@DeadMG Hadn't considered it, but that's an excellent point.
@Rapptz I think they're mostly a symptom, not a major culprit. If the "non-profit" universities were efficient, for-profit ones wouldn't be able to compete.
 
I just feel really really bad for people who go those universities.
 
@JerryCoffin I also think it would be useful for training- as in, if you wanted to, you could start viewing the materials at 16 instead of 18. Or just browse to see what a particular subject is really like.
 
user1804599
Puppy.
 
user1804599
I heard that eating fly amanita stops gallbladder problems.
 
@Rapptz Depends on the situation (and probably the school -- some are undoubtedly better/worse than others). Even at a diploma mill, you can probably learn something if you really want to.
 
6:28 PM
@not-rightfold It stops everything.
 
wtf is fly amanita
 
A kind of poisonous mushroom.
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel That’s a superset of the set of problems in question.
 
Only one I know that is accredited is University of Phoenix and maybe DeVry.
 
@not-rightfold Side effects are undesirable.
 
6:30 PM
@DeadMG I'm not sure it's necessary for every university to have materials online for that. Just for an obvious example, MIT does have CSc materials online. I'm pretty sure if you educate yourself to the point you can pass their courses, you should be able to make it through nearly an CSc program around.
 
We don't need Java. Real programmers code in Binary. — Pankaj 11 secs ago
 
@JerryCoffin My memory of some guy who came in here asking for help with them was that they started out with things like setcolour("RED"); as global functions.
not really what I'd describe as materials worth learning from
 
@DeadMG I haven't looked at them enough to defend them, but I hesitate to condemn them on the strength of a question or two on SO either.
 
it wasn't a question, it was a guy who came into the chat, and he linked to them
but that's really irrelevant, I guess
what I'm really saying is that if you put the course materials from every university online, then they have to compete in a way they didn't have to before.
prospective students can look at that stuff and decide for themselves that actually, the MIT stuff isn't very good.
instead of just going by reputation and high prices
right now, the students are locked in to a university well before they know anything at all about the quality of the course they're on or what it really involves
 
@DeadMG If all of them offered online degree programs, then I'd say definitely yes. But let's face reality: quite a few college students are (or at least feel) fairly constrained by geography. While I'm sure your idea wouldn't hurt anything, I'm not entirely convinced that it would really be all that huge a help either.
 
6:38 PM
@JerryCoffin Geography is out of the equation when you access by Internet.
you'd only be talking about travelling to the university in question on a few occasions- way less expensive than moving and living there
 
user1804599
Time to write some code.
 
@DeadMG You seem to have two separate ideas that you're separating poorly (at best). I was talking about your idea of a student looking at online materials primarily for the purpose of choosing a college. Like I said earlier, for a (even mostly) online degree program, competition is drastically increased.
 
well
ultimately, I believe that colleges are only useful as examining bodies.
at best.
the idea of choosing a degree program is, in my opinion, redundant.
as far as I'm concerned, if you have the knowledge to pass the assessment, then that's that.
helping people choose which college they want to be assessed by is just a useful side effect.
 
user1804599
Oooh.
 
user1804599
Tomorrow is Feast of the Sacrifice. I’ll be slaughtering a pig.
 
6:52 PM
@Rapptz Doing a quick check, our local for-profit college (Colorado Technical University) is apparently accredited by the "North Central Association of Colleges and Schools". They, in turn, are apparently recognized by the US department of education -- but I'll admit I'm not sure how much (if anything) that really means.
@DeadMG I think that depends heavily on the student in question. For a lot of kids college is as much about "the experience" as actual learning. In many cases, I think that's actually even fairly important.
 
there's nothing stopping them going to a university to get "the experience".
it's just that you don't have to pay for it if you can't afford it or frankly don't give a shit.
 
alright... anyone good at statistics?
 
user1804599
 
@not-rightfold well, it's a programming question, but it's based on a statistical piece of data
 
user1804599
 
6:58 PM
ew stack overflow, who goes to that place?
 
@Crowz Funny, because if you look at the top question on Cross Validated, it's about an R program.
 
user1804599
Anyhow, why not determine the probability your question is better received on Cross Validated than on Stack Overflow?
 
ITT chat doesn't help.
what a morons
 
what's new?
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
6:59 PM
@DeadMG An overused language feature.
 
kek
 

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