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Earlier today, I thought I was in hell after some poster was boosting C as a sane language. Now I'm agreeing with the cat. The universe has gone tits-up.
 
@Pawnguy7 Flush buffers, do autosaves, whatever that actually requires careful clean up to prevent data loss.
> Apple has an iOS programming guideline somewhere saying that when your app is exiting, don't bother trying to free all of your memory to avoid wasting battery power, since the OS takes care of all that when you exit.
See, even Apple figured it out.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah - and no more, 'cos it's pointless and painful.
 
Still bugs me :\
 
5 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Don't trust anything Apple says about UIs
s/UI/UX/
 
12:04 AM
I should've said "UI design"
 
@Pawnguy7 If it does, make it optional, do it for debug builds only, so you can have a clean conscience when you go to church heap check on Sunday
> Don't trust anything Apple says
FTFY
 
@Pawnguy7 It should not. Let the OS do it - it's got much better tools, it's had more more testing and so it's much better at it than my/your crappy user code.
 
Exhibit A: it can free your memory without swapping it into the RAM.
 
Does anyone here know how to differentiate sections in an ELF file?
 
Use an ELF parser.
 
12:06 AM
@MartinJames Also, all that is irrelevant because it's at the wrong level of isolation/abstraction. The OS won't even have to release the stuff "correctly" - it'll just forget the process existed
 
By the name attribute?
 
Next.
 
@ManofOneWay Nobody
 
@CatPlusPlus Exhibit B: it can stop all threads in any state on all cores before releasing memory/files/whatever.
 
@CatPlusPlus My experience of three years with such a OS tells me that it way way way harder to get viruses like the one shown above. Never got any virus that claimed to have my files in hostage and that I need to pay to see them again.
inb4 my experience sucks
 
12:09 AM
@Jefffrey That doesn't mean anything.
 
@Pawnguy7 I'm not even sure what the problem is.
 
It's tangentially true only because there's not enough users on that OS to warrant putting development effort in malware targeting it.
 
Ok. So we have some screens, yes?
 
@Pawnguy7 D'you need more than one screen for your application?
 
It doesn't mean that it's impervious to malware.
 
12:10 AM
@Jefffrey keeping in mind here, we are talking about an abstraction, yes.
 
I'm off to sleep. Anne, and the dog, are both whining at me :(
 
Ah, found it. e_shstrndx; /* Section name string table index */
 
@CatPlusPlus True. I read it as "false sense of security" instead of "be sure the OS is impervious to viruses".
@Pawnguy7 I'm not talking about any abstraction here. Do you need more than one screen?
 
If you think you won't get malware, because you're on non-Windows OS, it is a false sense of security.
 
@CatPlusPlus Doesn't make it any less effective, for the moment (I believe, as stated before, it's already less of a relevant difference today)
 
12:12 AM
@Jefffrey are you thinking of hardware?
 
@CatPlusPlus I think I have less chance than a Windows OS (as of right now).
@Pawnguy7 No.
That doesn't matter anyway. I'm asking you if you need something that you are trying to develop.
 
@Jefffrey depends on what you use, and how you use it
 
Slightly, probably. There's already non-trivial malware for OSX in the wild, Linux is a matter of time.
 
@Jefffrey you lost me
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, I'm absolutely sure there's already malware for linux. Just, for obvious reasons, it's not wide-spread
 
12:15 AM
Yeah
 
By the way, canonical ships malware/spyware IMO
 
@Pawnguy7 What do you mean by screen?
 
People who claim they don't need AV are kinda funny, esp with attacks exploiting trust
 
They just tell it up front. People are blind and just don't care
 
@Jefffrey Perhaps looking at the code will clarify this.
Apparently I suck at explaining.
 
12:16 AM
@Pawnguy7 Are you breaking rule #26 ("Don't implement something that you don't need in the immediate future")?
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't need AV. I still use it on windows. Never used to though (back 10 years ago I had been using windows for another 10 years without ever using AV)
 
I have no idea what's happening with Thunderbird, but it's not addons.
 
@Jefffrey I would make use of it immediately. It is kind of late, really, unless I go with the other suggestion here.
 
AV are always a step back anyway.
 
Anyways, AV are funny business in their own right, what with exploiting trust
 
12:19 AM
It's a safety net. Incomplete but still
 
Useful, that's for sure.
 
@CatPlusPlus And iffy. It's a money laundering machine in a sense
 
Mega looks cool.
 
Well, that's relevant. You expect us to click that link?
 
I don't expect anything by anyone, really.
It feels kinda obvious but I'm gonna state it anyway: If you don't know what I'm talking about and you care about it, then click the link. You don't, then... don't. :)
 
12:23 AM
I wonder if I should make normal snake.
 
@Jefffrey I have no clue what you're talking about. That's true about 88% of the time since you first came here.
@Pawnguy7 If you made it, then biologically it would hardly be normal
 
That's sad. For me at least. :(
 
It occurs to me, I had... well, not a grand vision, but an unclear one.
For example, the number selector thing.
With my fondness of generation, I planned to use those to make the level configurable.
And,,, something with multiple snakes, but that is all I really have.
 
@sehe try to click the link then ;)
 
Normal should be easy enough though.
 
12:27 AM
@Jefffrey of course not
 
Then I can add highscores.
 
lol
IMMA STEAL ALL YOUR PASSWORDZ
 
I think you meant to say PASSWORDZ.
 
A dogdog
 
@Jefffrey Oh no, you're not. I'm not afraid of you - I don't trust you, but that's irrelevant. I don't trust that site.
I believe you
 
12:29 AM
I don't know mine. That is why Chrome eating my cookies is so devastating.
 
It kills a man and a dog
 
Not sure, to be honest. I lurk several forums as well. Oh, I remember now.
When you are logged in, you can also lurk profiles and such stuff, for some reason.
 
@ScottW Is that a white dog next to the black dog under the hot dog?
 
@Pawnguy7 :cripes:
 
@CatPlusPlus This is what happens when you force a password to contain certain things.
 
12:31 AM
Use KeePass.
 
@ScottW huh, fur looks white on the picture, could be white balance issue
or my monitor
 
I have about 400 20-long passwords and I don't need to remember any of them
 
Sure, it may have been a pass phrase and contains numbers, but no, it needed capitals.
Maybe I should use "capslock"
 
Ahh ok
 
One of my friend uses very long phrases or quotes and takes the first letter/number/symbol of each word and then just join them together alternating capital and lower case letters.
 
12:34 AM
You could always go with a pattern based on the website's name
 
Or IP.
 
No, that's horrible.
I have no idea why you'd put any effort into inventing a password, when you can just generate a bunch of random characters and never even see it
 
@Jefffrey lol
> "One of my friend"
 
He's got only one
 
That is so sad
 
12:36 AM
I'll be your friend ;_;
 
Actually I don't have one. That one friend I was talking about... it is me. :(
 
@Jefffrey Not surprising considering dinosaurs are extinct
 
@Jefffrey Duh. That was the point of my derision
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun why are you summoning tony?
 
12:40 AM
:12325812 what do you think: normal snake, or some eccentric thing I cook up (in theory)?
 
Python
 
@Borgleader Because I'm poor and all I have left is my soul :<
 
@sehe Yeah? Oh snap. That's silly stupid of me. :3
 
@sehe I saw a snake clone named "Serpent"
@ScottW that is what I am making right now. A snake clone.
 
@Jefffrey lol. fair enough
 
12:41 AM
The fourth, actually :(
Not quite. I am making some sort of snake clone.
The choice is, normal, single-mode snake (singleplayer), etc.
Or, some vague idea I have involving generated levels (user supplied parameters), multiple snakes (some computer controlled), etc.
 
Take the classic Snake game and augment it
 
@ScottW as in... the J word?
Or networking?
Lost cause either way.
 
No, fuck Java
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I was thinking of the script, but I guess it works there too.
Script :\
 
Oh, JavaScript
 
12:44 AM
So networking?
 
You can still use C++ with SFML.Network (because you're using SFML)
 
Not saying the capability isn't there, I just am skeptical I can do it.
 
Boost.Asio is nice and easy too (Or so I've heard)
 
Let's assume you only have two choices, as I outlined.
 
programmers are masters of their universe
 
12:46 AM
I would prefer to go in this order: Finish something. Finish something with networking.
 
Then do that.
I did that for my thing
 
Would a user-configured snake make sense, or is that just appealing in a programming way?
Level size. Difficulty. Number of players. Something else I haven't thought of yet.
 
Yeah, probably
What if I want my snake to look like a penis? :(
2
Make texture configuration ;_;
 
Problem is, I don't know what I would really make. Which is kind of opposite of the reason for making snake in the first place.
I think pong would be a step backwards.
 
Make Pong in 3D
 
12:49 AM
OpenGL and me are not on speaking terms.
 
And add guns and zombies
 
My point is, the idea for snake was to finish a project, with good code.
Once I am better in that area, I can go after vague ideas.
 
I don't know what I want, that is the problem.
Speaking of pong, though.
 
@Pawnguy7 Do a new Duke Nukem, with hookers and black jack
 
12:52 AM
I was thinking, how can I make this origional.
 
@Pawnguy7 I made that a couple of months ago just because~
 
The answer: CIRCULAR. But somebody beat me to it :\
@MohammadAliBaydoun do you think of colors in hexidecimal?
 
rectangular
 
@ScottW it is said radians are convenient, but I think in degrees.
> Yes, I don't like SHOUTY_CASE. Disgusting.
 
I'm fairly sure I need to step up my Scons setup, but this feels like a chore :|
 
12:59 AM
How are you "fairly" sure? I think this "basically" qualifies as one of those "quite" vague words that you seem to loath
(I forgot the more appropriate word you had for those words; I have searched for this in the past)
 
Running scons to build annex works on my Ubuntu boxen but no the Debian one. LD_LIBRARY_PATH isn't set/inherited the same.
 
@Pawnguy7 I do
@Pawnguy7 But for the sake of convenience, I use constants
 
@LucDanton hmm. interesting. I've always learned that SCons does not inherit env variables at all
 
@sehe I've just read that (which makes sense, really). So yeah, I'm not sure how it works in the first place.
 
(And I always treat my Ubuntu boxes as encrusted Debians. Never noticed real inconsistencies)
 
1:04 AM
@MohammadAliBaydoun as opposed to?
 
@Pawnguy7 code
 
@ScottW I feel that is in XNA
Oh. It uses .NET Color?
@ScottW isn't it raw hex values? (assuming you don't mean base 6)
 
well, then safe assumption
 
Eh, will look into it some other time. Need a break.
 
@LucDanton sleep well - I guess
 
1:08 AM
@ScottW base-6 is hex, isn't it?
 
I'm sticking around :p
 
hex idecimal
i.e. 6 and 10, no?
 
gawd
 
I assume, anyway, I have no idea.
@ScottW I don't use it :D
 
hepta
 
1:09 AM
7?
 
for proper confusion
 
My point is:
> sf::Color(0xff, 0x00, 0x00);
Whereas I would have:
sf::Color(255, 0, 0);`
 
anyone else find this conversation very intriguing?
 
I knew about hept- but not about sept-. That doesn't make any sense.
 
It's bikeshedding about what representation to use for the color of the bikeshed. A new height
@LucDanton latin vs. greek, IYAM
 
1:12 AM
@Pawnguy7 That's not a point, that's a color!
 
That would make sense. Not the same then :p
 
@ScottW I do, but SFML only has like 5 premade
I don't care enough.
Well. Define make your own.
 
@Pawnguy7 It has more than 5 I'm pretty sure
 
8.
 
Damn clipboard.
Yeah
 
1:15 AM
> I got trashed by a hawlucha
 
But I don't really use Magenta, Yellow, or Cyan.
 
Happens to me everytime
 
lol
 
@ScottW I did something like that for the screensaver.
 
thrilled
 
1:17 AM
Random conversations about colors, and not getting anything done.
 
I'm reading.
 
@ScottW 3:17
I'm playing iSnooker
 
@ScottW I have been awake for 21 hours straight.
@ScottW I can't yet, need to drink lots of fluids first, so my hangover will be bearable.
 
I'm playing Pokemon
 
1:19 AM
Ohai
 
Hello
 
7 mins ago, by sehe
It's bikeshedding about what representation to use for the color of the bikeshed. A new height
 
@Rapptz which version?
 
X.
 
1:20 AM
Yup, the new one.
 
@sehe I'd just go for good old unsigned rgb24.
 
I'd stay away from colours
KISS, YAGNI
 
I'm going to sleep.
 
nop well
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bye.
 
1:22 AM
Actually, I have no idea why I even dropped by.
 
I just replaced (downgraded) my secondary video card with a $15 one. It dropped my power consumption by 60 watts.
That'll pay for itself in like 1 month.
 
@Mysticial during idle?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because we're cool
 
Why do you have two video cards? How many monitors do you have?
 
@sehe yes, idle
 
1:22 AM
WOW
 
Do you power your house with diamonds?
 
@FredOverflow inb4 GPGPU
 
@sehe I had two heavy-duty gaming cards in there. But I only game on one monitor. The two side-monitors don't need much power. And those cards eat a lot of power. So I thought, I get replace one of the cards with a cheap low-power card.
 
wokay. I assumed number crunching was the excuse
 
What d'you guys think about Behind Two Souls?
 
1:25 AM
I don't normally downgrade my hardware. But seeing as I've never really "used" my two side-monitors for anything other than Aero, browser windows, and the occasional Anime...
 
@Jefffrey I don't like movie-games.
 
I miss playing on three monitors :(
 
As for that gaming card I just displaced. I'm dumping that into my server that needs it.
Apparently, Ubuntu chokes on the on-board video. So I need to put in something.
And I don't use it much, so it can take that power-hungry gaming card.
 
@Rapptz They look boring to play.
 
Can't say I care much about the Ellen Page erotica.
 
1:31 AM
@Rapptz I wouldn't play the game but she is pretty hot though
 
She has a very child-like face and body.
Hear that NSA? Do something!
 
@Jefffrey They got shutdown :P
 
lol
There you go perverts.
 
0/10
 
1:39 AM
= 0?
 
Java/10
Evaluate that expression in C
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun exit();
 
@Mysticial I'd use my onboard video if it offered anything better than VGA.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun, what is this?
 
1:45 AM
@Jefffrey Starcraft II Galaxy stuff a friend of mine made
We had to write our own implementation of malloc because of how shitty it is :V
 
Nice.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Starcraft II Galaxy!?
 
But that's the map editor...
(also the readme for the project is completely useless, fix it :P)
 
We haven't touched this thing for almost a year :/
 
1:50 AM
What does it do?
 
He's currently playing with Antlr so he can make his own language and compile it to Galaxy so we don't have to write code that looks like C without pointers
Oh, these are just generic libraries for common data structures and shit
 
C without pointers?
 
I mean that it's very dry
We also need to hack the editor and get syntax highlighting into it.
Might as well develop in Notepad :v
 
2:09 AM
Night boys
 
Night.
For some reason, I have much difficulty in overloading interfaces.
 
3:02 AM
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Q: learn c the hard way chapter heap and stack code

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^^ didn't know that tag existed
 
3:59 AM
I have mixed feelings about this.
 
<redacted> sent you a message:
can you help in c++. can i ask you some questions?
 
4:23 AM
lol
off by 1 rep
 
4:36 AM
Wow at the chat flags...
 
4:46 AM
 
This is what you should think of before you hit compile and run
 
cling?
 
Today I misspelled Mystical as Mysticial.
 
aha
I see I'm an excellent influence. :P
 
almost 0700...I ought to go to bed
 
5:13 AM
I lost a bag of sweets during the night ... I suspect wild life has stolen it
 
5:40 AM
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Q: L2 data and instruction cache decreased suddenly

mjrI am working on performance of paralle algorithm on Multicore machine. I did an experiment on Matrix Multiplication with loop reordering (ikj) technique. The serial execution result is as in images below.L1 data cache hit for loop order ikj and kij for all size of nXn matrix is near 100% (Image ...

> with gcc 4.7 -o no compiler optimization
^^ AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Such a nice question too..........
 
5:51 AM
SO erroring?
 

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