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sbi
5:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks, I had just found out... :)
 
@sbi site:
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel That limits search to hits at some site. I know that one.
 
@sbi Indeed. I probably misunderstood you.
 
sbi
All of you C folk, we're trying to get a proper C lounge going. Join in :) http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/9614/loungec
 
in LOUNGE(C);, 12 secs ago, by Tim Post
That grumpy old Gorilla.
It's war!
 
5:15 PM
> you're more productive than 61% of people
Yeah!
 
I don't get this. I even have to write a damn Adapter for a feature they mention on their docs for designers.
 
It's a do-it-yourself API.
 
sbi
in LOUNGE(C);, May 11 at 4:26, by std''OrgnlDave
who the f*ck is @spolsky
 
lolz
 
@StackedCrooked Sounds exactly like that.
 
5:18 PM
Keyboard designers y u put backspace near return.
 
I don't know how my teammates have put up with this all this time. They really seem to like the platform. But they don't seem to mind the mediocre tools.
 
There's a counter on blackmesasource.com
A COUNTER
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Get yourself a new team.
in LOUNGE(C);, 1 min ago, by sbi
Really, this room has messages from 4 months ago on its starboard. How cute!
 
Release date. They have a release date.
The world is ending.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which API?
 
5:23 PM
@Xeo Android.
 
Xeo
Oh
 
I can see why you might like Android as an user (nevermind non-existent battery life).
I can't see how you can like Android as a developer.
 
an user
 
@CatPlusPlus It drains your soul.
 
But, it could be worse.
It could be iOS.
Also: BLACK MESA SOURCE HAS A RELEASE DATE WHAT THE HELL.
 
Xeo
5:25 PM
@CatPlusPlus I wish I had Android on my dumbphone. :/ Bada is so bad with the limited amount of stuff the Samsung store has...
 
sbi
My Android phone's battery holds all day... if I don't make much use of the phone. :-/
 
user50049
@sbi Oh yes, and you forgot the part about a meta cop having no place in here unless cleaning up the poop you flagged.
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My phone's battery holds all week in idle.
5-6 days otherwise.
 
@CatPlusPlus Turns out the whole black mesa source project was a cover for developing HL3, and the screenshots they've been feeding us for years were just to throw us off the trail
 
@TimPost lol
 
sbi
5:26 PM
@TimPost How could I ever forget that?
 
Xeo
@TimPost Why, we do have Robert here quite often.
 
sbi
@Shog9: FWIW, that user now has 1.6k answers, and when I checked the first 30 far more than half of them had a link to his company's website. I find appalling — the more so since he's been annoying me with this in Usenet in the 90s already. SO is as high on google as it is because most of us, when answering, first and foremost try to give answers that help the user who asked, not ourselves. People like him are utilizing SO for advertising their business on our backs. I do resent that. — sbi 50 mins ago
 
user50049
@Xeo He's an employee. Does not apply.
 
sbi
Here, "first" refers to "newest".
 
You mean he's a spy.
 
5:27 PM
No, we're the spies!
 
We're the resistance.
@Collin Hahaha, no.
 
@CatPlusPlus Everything you want needs yet another fucking Adapter.
 
user50049
@sbi You, who complains about trolls just trolled something. Think about that.
 
user50049
Remove my diamond when interpreting that comment.
 
I don't know why anyone would want to talk about C but hey.
OTOH, I don't know why anyone would want to talk about C++ either.
 
sbi
5:29 PM
@TimPost I don't understand what you are saying.
 
@TimPost Oooh, can I have it?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What do you want it for? There's nothing but trouble coming with it.
@CatPlusPlus Poser!
 
/offtopic are there any good MSVS add-in tutorials online?
 
@sbi It's shiny.
 
user50049
5:30 PM
I think I'll just excuse myself from chat entirely. Good day/afternoon/eve all.
 
@TimPost Have fun.
 
sbi
@TimPost No! I have the nagging feeling you criticized me, and now I want to understand what for.
 
Hey, don't scare important people away.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus I am trying to keep him here, silly.
 
sbi y u always so serious.
 
5:39 PM
lolwut?
 
sbi
I'm not even seeing this.
 
sbi always serious?
Also, dammit. You just rickrolled me.
And it was so damn obvious.
 
6:19 PM
guys if anyone can give a hand here stackoverflow.com/questions/12252430/…
I would highly appreciate it
 
I wonder why my answer didn't get upvotes but Dani's did when they're the same.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil does it matter?
 
@LuchianGrigore To me, yes. I like to know the details
 
Can you come up with a way of testing the difference?
If not, there are no details.
 
Hm
 
6:26 PM
@Rapptz Probably just luck (someone didn't see your answer, or saw the other one first or something) .
Bo has the correct answer anyway.
 
I just used an old text file
to test
it still says the created date is August 20th
So it truncated it to zero for Windows 7, if it's OS dependent
 
@Rapptz You can't inspect the created date in C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes right click > properties
 
Yeah, but that's not C++ :P
 
@Rapptz Ill go with that
 
6:32 PM
he's confusing me though :(
I had an old text file, data.txt that I don't need anymore.
If it was created again wouldn't it have today's creation date?
 
That would be expected, yes.
Unless...
 
So I used std::ofstream to open the same text file but it just showed Modified today not created today
 
Creation dates are forgeable. The OS could create a new file with the same creation date.
You'll never know.
 
No one will ever know.
 
@Rapptz what is this about? i don't seem to be able to find it
 
6:38 PM
Truth be told, I couldn't care less about it lol
 
does one say "doesn't even WITHSTAND a coffee spill", or what? i'm unsure about the english here
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf If ios::out truncates a file to zero or creates a new one
 
@Rapptz i think that's unspecified. i think you can't rely on hardlink being the same after
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf yeah that seems correct depending on what you're talking about
 
6:39 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf It looks right to me (non-native).
 
oops
 
Correct. The C++ standard refers to the C standard---ios::out corresponds to "w". And the C standard says "Truncate to zero length or create file for writing". Both solutions are acceptable as far as the standard is concerned. — James Kanze 15 mins ago
 
Do you all want to help me achieve a badge?
 
^ James Kanze is a fellow clc++m moderator and a national committee member
 
> Last night, robots shut down the live broadcast of one of science fiction's most prestigious award ceremonies. No, you're not reading a science fiction story. — How copyright enforcement robots killed the Hugo Awards
 
6:42 PM
:)
there was this short story by someone of a composer having problems with everything having been composed already ...
 
I didn't do it, I swear.
 
@Chimera what badge
 
man I'm working hard for my enlightenment badge
not a big deal, for us newbies, it's kind of a goal
 
oh. 10 upvotes for an answer
I just want 2000 rep.
 
I just want 50k!
 
6:45 PM
yep. But I want it to be legitimate.
@Rapptz same here... then on to 10K
 
So I don't have to peer reviewed for basic things like editing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You aren't far from it. I will go over some of your stuff and see if I can find some material worthy of upvotes.
:-)
 
This chat broke 1 million messages.
 
This is the best room.
 
@Rapptz when?
 
6:49 PM
woot
 
Today
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Hello, I have a problem with my brain. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [mooning-ducks]
 
@Chimera Oh, no need for that.
I'm at the rep cap anyway.
 
^ it no mention of shutdown?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf The live stream was shut down. Because they showed clips of the TV nominees (clips which were provided... by the studios themselves).
 
6:59 PM
the only mention of problem i find is "Cheryl Morgan: UStream managed to interrupt the In Memoriam sequence with an ad. "
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Anyway, it's not really a big deal if the Hugo Awards stream was shut down. Everybody knows sci-fi isn't real litterature, right?
 
so i not quite believe it but very Good Story!
 
Well, just look around...
 
Daily Mail..?
lol
 
7:07 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Of course not. Everyone knows real literature is 50 Shades of Grey.
 
Have you seen what that blog site did?
They wrote some stupid plotless sex book and got it in the iTunes top books list
I can't be asked to find a link
 
What blog site?
 
Not sure
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 50 Shades of Grey
 
7:09 PM
I'm confused now.
 
is there any reasons why I can't have like 10MB on the stack but I can have 4 GB on the heap??
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It used to a blog for a fanfiction of Twilight but it turned out to be its own book and they changed the character names.
 
Ah.
@lezebulon Because the stack is for small temporary stuffs.
 
7:12 PM
@lezebulon No, it's totally random.
 
fo real?
 
He's joking.
 
Dammit, I was gonna go further.
 
Why would you want 4GB on the stack?
 
That's like saying you want 4000 EUR pocket change.
 
7:15 PM
Large objects are made on the heap
 
not 4GB, but I can't have 1MB
 
@StackedCrooked That's actually a good analogy.
@lezebulon So, put it on the heap.
 
@lezebulon the Windows stack by default is 1MB
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I invented it myself :D
 
you don't need to put large things there, that's what the heap is for
 
7:16 PM
ok so heap it is
 
@TonyTheLion s/the heap is for/she said/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't even read that
 
If your application would have a stack of 4 GB then it would also occupy 4GB of RAM memory. You probably don't want that.
 
@Mysticial I think I figured it out. He probably meant "output".
 
7:19 PM
@KianMayne There's also Arnold Ipsum.
 
@StackedCrooked if you make a 4GB heap object, you'll also occupy 4GB of your RAM
or the swap file
 
@StackedCrooked It probably won't use that much RAM.
 
Haha excellent. I'm using them in my next project
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wut?
 
@Rapptz s/something/other/ is notation for "replace something with other" (from the *nix tools ed, sed, vi).
 
7:20 PM
@TonyTheLion You're slow today.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh
 
@StackedCrooked yea well, considering how much pain I'm in, I don't consider it abnormal
 
@FredOverflow That's ridiculous...
 
@TonyTheLion Are you on painkillers?
@Mysticial What else could it stand for?
 
@FredOverflow no
 
7:23 PM
Ridiculous as in the OP expected us to be able to decode that. :P
 
@FredOverflow original poster :P
 
You have to be on SO for how long till you figure out what OP stands for??
 
@TonyTheLion In the context quoted, "original poster" makes no sense.
 
@TonyTheLion It was o/p not OP.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion No, what "o/p" means
@Rapptz Also getting into the habit of quoting things by putting them in backspaces?
 
7:25 PM
That pisses me off.
 
oh fail :(
 
@TonyTheLion "i learning java i want line between 2 data in original poster" doesn't make any sense.
 
I forgot how many * it is for italics
 
So I said fuck it
 
Xeo
7:26 PM
1
 
@Rapptz just one
 
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes The code quote?
 
@lezebulon wut?
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow 4chan meme
 
7:27 PM
@FredOverflow how can you be on the internet and not know memes?! You need to go study! :P
 
@TonyTheLion I'm afraid I have a life, no time for memes :(
 
Get another life.
 
I don't need a life, so I know memes
 
@TonyTheLion Tell us more about your exciting new C++ job!
 
I need to make dinner, but too lazy
 
7:30 PM
@TonyTheLion Speaking of lazy, how is your progress in learning Haskell? ;)
 
@FredOverflow lots of code.
 
@TonyTheLion legacy code or shiny new C++11 goodness?
 
@FredOverflow euh slow, like most things. I've been trying to sort out my life so I can drive a car instead of suffering pain, so no time for Haskell atm.
@FredOverflow I wish C++11, lots of legacy code.
I did go out and buy a car yesterday
 
What pain do you suffer from, exactly, if I may ask?
 
@TonyTheLion oh, you sound even worse off than me
i can drive a car, except i don't have one :-(
 
7:33 PM
@FredOverflow Something about his legs, IIRC.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf My other car is a cdr.
 
howdy
 
Xeo
"How's your Haskell learning going?" -- "Lazy"
 
4 mins ago, by FredOverflow
@TonyTheLion Speaking of lazy, how is your progress in learning Haskell? ;)
 
Xeo
Yeah, but he didn't answer with "lazy" :)
 
7:35 PM
@FredOverflow You may ask, I was born with club feet, meaning that my feet were backwards when I was born. Straightened out with 5 surgeries over the course of my life, however the cartilage in my ankle joints (amongst others) is almost all gone, which creates bone to bone friction when moving. Pain results. Doctors cannot fix.
 
Not answering at all was even lazier than that :)
 
no Haskell atm
 
@TonyTheLion That's harsh. Good luck with your car then. What kind of car is it? Do you have pictures?
 
Xeo
I'm also learning Haskell lazily. If I ever need some Haskell knowledge, I'm going to acquire it, otherwise not for the moment.
 
@Xeo :)
 
7:36 PM
@Xeo You should really seq it.
 
that ^
 
Xeo
Error~
 
Hmm, errors and shit.
 
@FredOverflow well who cares as long as it's registered ;-)
 
The car is an error.
 
7:36 PM
ignore the errors
@CatPlusPlus my life is an error
 
@TonyTheLion Wow nice. One week on the C++ job, and you can already afford this car? :)
 
@FredOverflow Let's just say I had some help :)
 
Universe is dynamically typed and life is a type error.
 
@TonyTheLion You should get cyborg legs! While being half-robot is still sub-par, it's better than being full meatbag :P
 
@TonyTheLion F1 is always good in life :)
 
7:37 PM
@FredOverflow hahah :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have considered that, and I have looked at Bionic legs actually, though no doctors will amputate my feet. They have to be really smashed before they'll do that.
sorry to sound so extreme
 
What's wrong with your feet?
 
I'm expecting to get my Ruby book tomorrow, then I can finally start Wat programming :)
 
@FredOverflow Wat?
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, I was actually joking. I didn't know that was a real possibility.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes From what I read, it's actually not that unreal
 
7:39 PM
@FredOverflow Don't you have a JavaScript one already?
 
@FredOverflow Getting into Ruby now?
 
5 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
@FredOverflow You may ask, I was born with club feet, meaning that my feet were backwards when I was born. Straightened out with 5 surgeries over the course of my life, however the cartilage in my ankle joints (amongst others) is almost all gone, which creates bone to bone friction when moving. Pain results. Doctors cannot fix.
 
bad joke redacted That was a really bad joke (not that it wasn't funny, but it was of really bad taste). I feel ashamed I even thought of it.
 
.
@R.MartinhoFernandes no worries. I have heard much worse in terms of people joking about my condition, if that makes you feel better :)
 
@TonyTheLion You know, Wat.
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7:41 PM
@TonyTheLion How do you know it's much worse? I didn't post the bad joke.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but I want the full Wat program.
 
@FredOverflow I don't know Wat, actually.
 
> What do you call a man with a shovel in his head? An ambulance, due to the fact that he has a rather serious head wound.
 
@StackedCrooked I want to get into everything, eventually, so why not start now?
 
@TonyTheLion It's not a language. It's a joke presentation.
 
7:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, I thought that you were referring to the robotic legs thing
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@TonyTheLion No, it was something else. I was going to post it but decided not to because I realised it was something I probably would not like to hear myself.
 
ah ok
 
@TonyTheLion You should totally watch it, it will only cost you 5 minutes of your life.
 
Yes, watch it.
It's really short, and cool.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did it have something to do with dancing?
 
7:44 PM
No.
Also, can you please not prod it out? If a joke makes me sad, I know for sure it's a bad one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have probably watched it 20 times, it just doesn't get old.
 
Wat is awesome
Still waiting for the C++ version
 
@FredOverflow That video is hilarious!
 
@LuchianGrigore It's called "Effective C++".
 
> i dont get anything from this video ? What kinda of humor is that ?
lol, some random YTer stumbled upon programmer humour.
 
7:46 PM
lol
what does the WAT stand for?
I'm missing something very essential, here.
twat without a "t" is the only thing I can think of.
me being me, of course
 
@TonyTheLion It's a misspelling of "What".
Basically, it means "WTF".
 
lol
ah ok
 
It's also some sort of building.
A wat is a monastery temple in Cambodia, Thailand, or Laos. The word wat (, , sometimes rendered vat when referring to Laos) means "school". Introduction Strictly speaking a wat is a Buddhist sacred precinct with monks' quarters, the temple proper, an edifice housing a large image of Buddha, and a structure for lessons. A Buddhist site without a minimum of three resident monks cannot correctly be described as a wat, although the term is frequently used more loosely, even for ruins of ancient temples. (As a transitive or intransitive verb, wat means to measure, to take measurement...
 
Wat is the Dutch spelling for what.
 
C# doesn't have static locals...
 
7:53 PM
That video is hilarious :)
 
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Q: What is the explanation for these bizarre JavaScript behaviours mentioned in the 'Wat' talk for CodeMash 2012?

SLCThe 'Wat' talk for CodeMash 2012 basically points out a few bizarre quirks with Ruby and JavaScript. I have made a JSFiddle of the results at http://jsfiddle.net/fe479/9/. The behaviours specific to JavaScript (as I don't know Ruby) are listed below. I found in the JSFiddle that some of my res...

Is the related SO post.
 
@LuchianGrigore Really?
 
Okay, this new Doctor Who season is probably going to be awesome.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yup. :|
 
>doctor who
>awesome
>choose 1
 
7:55 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Docter Who?
Ok. Lame joke.
 
@LuchianGrigore It's not like you really need them though.
 
@StackedCrooked Hey, they pull this shit off right at the end of the episode.
 
I only watch anime.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just made a member, but still...
 
Since every function must be in a class...
 
7:55 PM
@lezebulon For me, Doctor Who goes in the "so bad it's good" territory.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Probably?
Blasphemer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes true, but IMO they're useful. That members shouldn't be in the class, since it's not really related to the class. It just makes up for code bloat...
 
@EtiennedeMartel This is so bad it's gone past good and back to bad again.
 
It's purely aesthetic.
(You can get lazy initialization with System.Lazy, btw.)
 
7:56 PM
@lezebulon Haters gonna hate.
 
Haters gonna be hatin' shit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, used that once. Works well.
 
I like how you can pick your thread-safety guarantees in the ctor.
 
Should I really not be using "Infrastructure. Microsoft Internal Use Only."?
 
What is that?
 
7:58 PM
@LuchianGrigore What?
 
But the answer is "no". What were you expecting?
I wonder why it is even public at all.
 
@LuchianGrigore Oh, writing a VS plugin? Lucky you.
 
I was hoping someone would say "of course you can. If MS uses them, why shouldn't you?"
 
@LuchianGrigore Because they know the contract and you don't :P
 
7:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel trying to
 

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