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sbi
12:00 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb Here's a secret for you bachelor: There's more things than just fucking that you share with your spouse. Yes, it's true. And it ain't all that bad, either. You'd be surprised.
 
@MooingDuck the easiest way for me is when I notice a decreased-size avatar on the top-righ (current user list) - those are the ignores - click that avatar and click 'don't ignore this user'
 
lol
@sbi i think i know that better than you
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Well, it is possible, unless it's disallowed. What's your splitting hairs about?
 
no
if it is disallowed it is not necessarily impossible
 
litb is married to the standard
 
12:01 AM
it is possible that i tomorrow start killing ppl even though it is disallowed
 
@Pubby litb is the standard.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Ha! How dare you even think you know anything better than I do — let alone partnership?
 
the distinction between impossible and disallowed is expressed with the words "can't" vs "shall not"
 
Well then where did all these awful C++ children like Java come from?
 
sbi
12:02 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb It is possible that tomorrow you marry six women in a Mormonic ceremony even though it's disallowed.
 
@Pubby Too many morons
 
partnership is a big lie
 
@Pubby java is a c++ child now?!
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb You tell me.
 
@sehe Step child I guess
 
12:03 AM
Java is obviously a ripoff of C++ designed by some evil company to make cash.
 
Too many mormons
 
More mormans mans
 
sbi
@Pubby red-haired.
 
@classdaknok_t Meh. They did a great job, then. Don't blame them
 
Java is C++ with too much make-up.
 
12:04 AM
for example in C++ it is possible to define an object of incomplete type, but it is disallowed
 
@Pubby You're losing it
@classdaknok_t Not make-up sex
 
@sehe I need help :(
 
java is safer sex xD
 
@sehe Feeds isn't in the userlist
 
@MooingDuck good point. Why do you ignore feeds? 'He' posts about twice a week on average, if not less
 
12:05 AM
Java isn't really sex, it's just dry humping
 
Tell me more?
 
@sehe because he never said anything that looked interesting enough to click on
 
Java isn't safe sex, it's an STD.
 
@sbi really what some ppl call "partnership" is just a good sounding word for two ppl enjoying each other
 
@MooingDuck That goes for about 90% of the traffic here
 
sbi
12:06 AM
Actually, Java resembles Corybantic C With Classes a lot more than C++' step child.
 
sometimes it happens in a partnership that the partner becomes disabled or something. often enough the other one leaves then. in rare cases, they stay out of shame
 
sbi
@sehe You cannot lose what you never had in the first place.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I associate 'partnership' closely with shared responsibility. Now, there might be an overlap with the 'enjoying' part... but I'm not sure that the overlap is big
 
sbi
@MooingDuck Here you go.
 
Cor·y·bant  (kôr-bnt, kr-)
n. pl. Cor·y·bants or Cor·y·ban·tes (-bntz) Greek Mythology
 A priest of the Phrygian goddess Cybele whose rites were celebrated with music and ecstatic dances.
 
12:08 AM
Java is cool and good and the best programming language and should always be preferred over lesser languages such as C++ and it is awesome and it is fast and has great memory management and abstractions and good libraries and it uses good practices and has XML configuration files and is therefore cool.
 
@sbi "The language derives much of its syntax from C and C++..." "...aimed to implement a virtual machine and a language that had a familiar C/C++ style of notation" "The syntax of Java is largely derived from C++." "Java uses similar commenting methods to C++" Those are all very weak statements :/
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Yeah, and some people ignore all the rules about driving. That does not make cars a big lie, though, does it?
 
@sehe lots of energy is wasted coming to consensual decisions everytime
 
@classdaknok_t You forgot to mention 'webscale' and 'jQuery'
 
Partner ship boat!
 
12:09 AM
@sbi user -2? Wonder who user -1 is...
 
@Pubby that's a boat
 
ah, community is user -1
 
@sehe Java is jQuery?
 
12:10 AM
How do you guys pronounce sqrt?
 
And user -3 is Qt. Fascinating
 
@classdaknok_t Sigh. I forgot to mention 'mention'
 
squareroot
 
@classdaknok_t :)
@Pubby +1
 
12:10 AM
@sbi The class library is a braindead version of Smalltalk's and the syntax a cross between BASIC and C with some Object Pascal thrown in for bad measure. I'd better stop -- I'm starting to feel nauseous just thinking about it.
 
Feb 26 at 21:53, by R. Martinho Fernandes
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/users/-3/qt
 
sbi
@MooingDuck It's clear that Java's designers have seen C++, but they lived the C spirit a lot more than having a grasp on what C++ really is.
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language) says "As in C++ and some other object-oriented languages, variables of Java's primitive data types are not objects." Does this community disagree with what that statement says about C++?
 
I always pronounce it es queue are tee.
 
@classdaknok_t eschew arty!
 
12:13 AM
vierkantswortel
 
krentenbol
 
@MooingDuck i do not disagree
 
Apt-get.
 
they are talking not about "object" in the c++ sense
 
12:13 AM
I apt-got clang.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb you agree that primitive types are not objects in C++?
 
taking their definition of object, their statement is true
 
@JohannesSchaublitb guess I have to look up the OO definition
 
it depends what you mean with "object"
 
Everything is an object! (aka the term object is meaningless)
 
12:14 AM
in C++ taking the C++ definition, an "int" variable is an object
 
An object is anything that occupies memory, right? Functions are an exception.
 
in c++ an object needs to be created first
 
@classdaknok_t in C++
 
not every region of memory is an object, unlike in C
 
It's somewhere in the first chapter of the standard.
 
12:15 AM
@classdaknok_t functions are not exceptions :)
 
Padding is object?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb "Object-oriented programming (OOP) is a programming paradigm using "objects" – data structures consisting of data fields and methods together with their interactions" I guess you are correct, as primitives don't have members
 
@MooingDuck C++ has primitive types that are (or can be) lvalues, but can't be derived from. That makes them "objects" according to (for example) the C standard, but "not objects" according to most "object oriented" definitions.
 
well, in C++ that is true also for standard layout structs, which will occupy "unsigned char" objects also in padding areas
 
12:16 AM
@classdaknokt but you can throw function pointers :)
 
or whatever the term was. i cannot remember whether it was standard layout or some other weird classification
 
hmm, lets see how long it takes me to guess my yahoo password so I can recover my wikipedia password
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Taking their definition of "slow", Java is fast.
 
Cave Spiders are a pain.
 
C++11 standard:
> An object is a region of storage.
 
12:17 AM
for example, in Java the stuff that malloc returns is an object of size X. in C++ that is not the case.
 
Java has malloc?
 
unfortunately the c++ spec is not really clear at that point
 
@MooingDuck you use Yahoo!?
 
i think one could make the point that it is an object out of lifetime in c++
 
@classdaknok_t I use everything, yahoo is default since it's the oldest
 
12:18 AM
I see.
 
@classdaknok_t that way when people typo my email and put @hotmail.com, I get it anyway.
 
int tantrum() { return 42; }

int main()
{
    try               { throw tantrum; }
    catch(int (&f)()) { return f(); }
}
 
@sehe use a typedef when dealing with function pointers/references
 
If we don't get things done in time because people send something to my hotmail I don't care. It's not my fault they are morons. :P
 
i prefer "alias<int()> &f"
 
12:20 AM
@MooingDuck hmmmpf. Very relevant criticism on this insane snippet :)
 
@sehe :D
 
@sehe :D
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I'd need to include a header for that. Nah. I even spent 45 seconds trying to find out which one. Bah.
 
@sehe write a tool that includes them for you.
 
I doubt it's standard
@classdaknok_t Right. Never have any namespace clashes/ADL hell?
 
12:24 AM
Nope.
 
Lucky soul
 
Note that I'm writing C++ for less than four months.
I have near 0 experience.
:P
 
@classdaknok_t Not bad. The hangman was alright (a bit thin on the use of STL algos, but that's the experience showing).
 
Thanks!
I still have problems understanding several concepts though, but that'll come.
SFINAE, type erasure and I still don't understand how to properly specialize std::swap.
 
You don't specialise std::swap.
 
12:38 AM
What are other the options then? Overloading is forbidden by the standard.
 
you write them in your namespace
they will be picked up by ADL
and form an overload set
 
So if I put it in say namespace daknok and I use my object with std::sort (assuming that uses swap) it'll work?
 
I think the std::sort function wont be aware of your ADL-enabled overload. So, I think no.
 
@classdaknok_t yep
 
That's cool.
Helps a lot when implementing move constructors and assignment operators.
Thanks guys! I'll try it out tomorrow.
 
12:47 AM
ideone y u use old GCC? :(
 
@StackedCrooked if it's in a different namespace it's not an overload, is it?
 
I'm talking about ADL.
I'm always worried that for some reason my overload won't be found and that it will default to the standard one.
 
@StackedCrooked Funny, because I just tried an example and it didn't work for me.
 
That makes me feel a little better, thanks :D
 
probly cause I didn't initialize the values so sort never had to swap anythin
 
12:55 AM
Yep, that's why I picked random_shuffle.
 
yeah
but even after I fixed that, sort still wouldn't come up with it
random_shuffle did, though
 
If the user swap is defined in a one compilation unit then does it need to be declared in the other compilation units that make use of it?
 
Of course it needs to be.
 
@CatPlusPlus My above sample made me doubt.
It was only a tinly little bit of doubt.
 
broken two-phase lookup, of course
AFAIK nobody implements it exactly how the Standard says
although usually only MSVC is so brazen as to completely ignore it and produce that result
 
1:11 AM
@DeadMG In case you wanted a followup on that Brett Victor vid ^
> so long as we are programming in decendants of assembly language we will continue to program in descendants of text editors
 
1:24 AM
@sehe I don't really see the alternatives.
 
@DeadMG Jonathan Edwards has been working on prototypes for years on end. Can't say he broke the news yet, but hey, at least he knows what he's talking about. And your sceptic opinion get's a little bit of support :)
bite
 
boop
 
2:10 AM
I find you all inferior to my giant intellect
 
@DeadMG Har har.
 
blargh
 
2:39 AM
Can you return streams from functions in C++11?
 
right, streams aren't copyable, but C++11 requires return value optimization...
 
Streams are movable in C++11.
I think. CppReference isn't very clear about that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes.
 
2:54 AM
How do you spell the word woo? As in surprise excitement.
 
 
1 hour later…
4:05 AM
woah... someone just bumped this to the front page with a retag
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Q: how to achieve 4 flops per cycle

user1059432How can the theoretical peak performance of 4 floating point operations (double precision) per cycle be achieved on a modern x86-64 Intel cpu? As far as I understand does it take 3 cycles for an sse add and 5 cycles for a mul to complete on most of the modern Intel cpu's (see e.g. Agner Fog's ht...

assembly -> assembly-language
shouldn't those two tags just be merged?
actually, the user is retagging a whole bunch of things ->
 
ahh, good ol' premature optimisation coupled with "pipelined execution 101"
If you're not writing a compiler, you don't need to know. If you are writing a compiler, you don't need to ask.
 
Oh ic... It's part of the tag clean up.
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Q: The great Stack Overflow tag/question cleanup of 2012

casperOneIn the process of removing the discussion tag from Stack Overflow, I came across a number of other tags which I don't see much use for. They really can't stand on their own to help categorize a question and should probably be removed. Don't just remove the tag, review the question and fix anyth...

haha the front page is being taken over with old highly voted assembly questions
 
 
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5:48 AM
hmm, when I go to facebook.com, and type my login details, the page merely refreshes. I clicked the security info, and it says "unable to check whether the certificate has been revoked". I click "...cannot guarantee that you are communicating with www.verisign.com and not an attacker."
That seems really wierd for an organization that verifies certificates. Something is wrong with my internet.
 
Bah, it's just SSL validation - I'd trust the guy who installed your transparent proxy more than Verisign anyway.
 
6:06 AM
hmm, when I check my webmail, I get the "unable to check whether the certificate has been revoked", but this one is for digicert.com/ssl-cps-repository.htm Their certificate seems good at least.
wimp.com/sheepart Here's a video of guys putting LEDs on sheep and making videos with them. pong, the mona lisa, fireworks, and more.
since I can't put it on facebook
Also I can't plug my phone in. Today technology does not agree with me
I wish SO was more consistent with local time vs server time in chat. I see local time to the left, but the transcript says this message was sent 7 hours from now.
 
 
2 hours later…
7:54 AM
@Mysticial but erm... AFAIK 'assembly' is a type of language, there is not single 'assembly-language' so surely those retags should be the other way around
oh never mind, I see what the question wants to do with them
 
Hello
 
Woah, what's it like in the not-distant-at-all future?
 
@rvalue explain...
 
8:07 AM
2 hours ago, by Mooing Duck
I wish SO was more consistent with local time vs server time in chat. I see local time to the left, but the transcript says this message was sent 7 hours from now.
 
8:20 AM
I wish SO chat would get a redesign. It's more ugly than my mother in law.
Not that I have one, but you get the point.
 
@Xeo: That what I ended up doing ;)
 
Xeo
8:48 AM
@ereOn Ah, cool. :)
 
9:07 AM
@Xeo is your name pronounced Kseejo or Zeejo?
 
Xeo
Kseeo, no "j"
 
Cool.
 
 
Co
ol
Btw that's one of my parents!
 
9:25 AM
@classdaknok_t You have co-ouderschap?
 
0
Q: Transatlantic ping faster than sending a pixel to the screen?

Konrad RudolphJohn Carmack tweeted, I can send an IP packet to Europe faster than I can send a pixel to the screen. How f’d up is that? And if this weren’t John Carmack, I’d file it under “the interwebs being silly”. But this is John Carmack. How can this be true? Even assuming that the transatlantic ...

(serious question, by the way)
 
@KonradRudolph Didn't he mean just the transition over the fiber ? Which could possibly be faster ? (Omitting data into packet encapsulation and console to ISP delay.)
 
twitter.com/#!/ID_AA_Carmack is a 404. By the way, perhaps he meant he is not so well versed with GUI APIs? — sehe 8 secs ago
 
Xeo
@sehe not 404 for me
 
@ScarletAmaranth Hmm.
 
9:35 AM
@Xeo Aha. A refresh fixed it. Go figure
twitter.com/#!/ID_AA_Carmack is a 404. By the way, perhaps he meant he is not so well versed with GUI APIs? — sehe 1 min ago
Mmm. Can anyone see a major flaw in my, admittedly, frivolously simple answer? I ask, since it got downvoted
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A: Is ADD A,5 allowed?

seheIs this intel syntax flavor? What is A? Usually A is an address (effectively a variable). If so, it is allowed. Look for the definition of A (e.g. a DD pseudo instruction with that label) If a is the hex number (usually written as 0Ah, %0x0a though) of course, it can't work

 
Any of you guys tried the Casablanca libs for REST ? (Mentioned on Herb's blog a little while ago.)
 
@ScarletAmaranth Like, you mean, mentioned yesterday.
Gotta admit, that is 'a little while' ago. A short little while too :)
 
Oh my, did you compile with -pedantic today ? :)
 
@ScarletAmaranth Nah. I was ill formed
 
9:47 AM
Hello again
When you guys are trying to compile something, and you get an undefined reference, where do you usually start looking to find what include you're missing?
 
At the very top of my files ^^
 
>.o
 
@Xeo does this look right to you? stackoverflow.com/a/10396012/893693
 
Trying to compile someone elses code in Windows, have an undefined reference to siginfo_t but I'm still a newb when it comes to C and can't find what I'm missing... Tried flicking through google and haven't found anything - where is the best place to look / best thing to do with problems like this?
 
Xeo
@bamboon I think that should work, but I can't currently try
 
9:51 AM
Please everyone
 
@KevinQ "Please". Really?
 
I'm getting the general idea it should be included in signal.h, but in my env it isn't in there....
 
@Graeme Are you using ACE library?
 
Nope
 
#include <OS_NS_signal.h> seems to be it then
@Graeme ah
 
9:54 AM
@Xeo yeah ok, it works for me but I am total newbie in this area so I wanted to have some feedback
 
Hello all :)
@sehe it seems you finally gave up on the gravatar ? :)
 
@sehe Fact is - I've inherited someone else's visual studio project and this obviously compiled for them. Confusing me :/
 
@angryInsomniac No, instead, I finally gave in to gravatars
@Graeme Then, you're likely missing SDKs of some kind. Or his env. contained variables that are being used from the build rules (yes, that is possible). Stuff like that
 
@Graeme Try #include <sys/siginfo.h>.
Oh wait you're on Windows. Mm…
 
@sehe I thought the weird shapes were called gravatars ? because they would be uniquely generated and globally recognizable (If you're a pattern recognition robot :D)
 
10:00 AM
@Graeme First check: what OS version did he use. Second check: what compiler version. Third, what edition of VS (enterprise, professional etc.). Fourth: SDKs and libs installed
@angryInsomniac You're thinking of 'aggravating', I'd say
 
@sehe ?!
Anyways , where are the regulars ? :) its been some time !
 
I'm sure sehe keeps a detailed list of where everyone is.
 
@sehe If i knew all of those, i definitely wouldn't be having this problem! :)
 
@ScarletAmaranth Snarky aren't we ?
 
Without knowing all of that is there no way to actually find where he was looking up that variable from?
 
10:12 AM
@Graeme Not without access to his preprocessed source. If you can contact him, ask him to check 'keep preprocessed source' for that TU and send the .i file to you
 
10:29 AM
grmpf, I cannot get the Julia language compiler to compile
actually, the LLVM-3.0 dependency fails
weird
 
.i file! Right...
 
@Graeme Hopefully it will insert #file and #line directives so you can trace it exactly
 
Ok, fanks
Trying to code / compile / do anything in C always makes me feel like a dunce.
I get the feeling that everyone else has this list of instructions somewhere and I just don't have a copy - I'm beginning to realise that's just how you play in C world :P
 
The positive thing is that C and C++ are distant worlds :)
 
Oh my:
Meh. FindIndex is O(n) just the same. Looks a lot like premature (micro) optimization to me: The list needs to be awful long for any measurable effect, worst case performance is still identical. The code is now become error prone the hard to read. — sehe 3 mins ago
 
10:37 AM
Ok, fanks all.
 
Lists are overrated, I find it very rare to run into a situation where list would be better than a simple std::vector<>
 
oh cool, I'm a userNNNN on superuser
practically anonymous
 

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