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Ell
6:00 PM
we need mass ritual suicide
of the entire planet earth :D
 
@Ell Sopa wasn't about watching, it was about removing.
 
Ell
yeah i suppose
 
The Force is strong with this one.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Referral Denied
 
Ell
6:19 PM
is adultory illegal?
 
@Ell Depends on where you are
 
Ell
in the uk?
 
A felony is a serious crime in the common law countries. The term originates from English common law where felonies were originally crimes which involved the confiscation of a convicted person's land and goods; other crimes were called misdemeanors. Many common law countries have now abolished the felony/misdemeanor distinction and replaced it with other distinctions such as between indictable offences and summary offences. A felony is generally considered to be a crime of "high seriousness", while a misdemeanor is not. A person convicted in a court of law of a felony crime is known ...
 
sbi
@Ell I think even in the UK it must be written "adultery". ICBWT.
 
6:21 PM
I think in most western countries it isn't illegal, but it usually constitutes grounds for divorce.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes “ misdemeanour”
 
Ell
ahh kk
 
And if there’s a marriage settlement then it’s also a breach of contract ;)
 
Ell
yeah
 
6:23 PM
But all of that doesn’t matter because “adulterers shall be put to death”
(disclaimer: fictitious bible quote)
 
Ell
i dont think they should be put to death
but really adulerty is pretty aweful
 
> "Thou shalt not commit adultery" Exodus 20:14
 
(but Leviticus 20:10 does say the same, in similar words)
 
That Leviticus dude was pretty harsh
 
@Ell What is this adultery you speak of? Why is it awful?
Assuming it happens with consent (which it sometimes does)
 
Ell
6:25 PM
the act of a married person having sexual intercourse with someone who isnt their marriage partner?
 
sbi
> Thou shall not let yourself get caught.
 
Ell
and if it happens with consent then sure its fine
 
It's a robot. Ash is a god damn robot.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes This sounds alien to me.
 
Ell
6:27 PM
meh i seem to hate almost everything :L
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes On a side note, I don't think you need a reason to divorce in Germany anymore.
 
@Ell Without consent it's rape, no?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes With consent of the cuckolded partner, I meant
 
@Ell Okay. So in this case what’s awful isn’t so much the act of adultery as the betrayal of trust, no?
 
Ell
6:28 PM
rape is pretty aweful too
@KonradRudolph yeah
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes With adultery, there's at least three parties involved. The consent of the two copulating ones was assumed.
 
@Ell For some of the participants at least :p
Okay, that was my last 4chan worthy comment for at least a week, promise!
 
Ell
@KonradRudolph ohh thats not good :L
 
@sbi Some muslim countries don't make that assumption.
 
Ell
can I ask your opinions of something?
 
6:29 PM
@KonradRudolph I hope so.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes To the contrary, they even assume it if a woman is raped.
@Ell It's my opinion that you just did.
 
Ell
@sbi that isn't an opinion ;)
there is a boy in my year that uses girls for sex - they all agree to him but then complain after that they feel used, but the girls are easy and it doesn't take much for them to do it. Is it wrong what he is doing? Do the girls have any grounds on which to complain?
@sbi touché
 
sbi
@Ell You can always complain about your own stupidity. That won't get you very far, but you can do it anyway.
 
Ell
I suppose. But is what he is doing morally wrong?
 
sbi
@Ell I know the answer to that, but in order for you to understand it, you will first have to answer my question: What is moral?
 
6:32 PM
What you ask... is difficult.
 
sbi
Who?
 
Ambassador Sarek.
 
Ell
@sbi hmmm. I don't know o.O
 
@Ell The only valid complaint I can think of there is ignorance.
 
Ell
@MooingDuck from who? the boy or the girls?
 
6:35 PM
@Ell from the girls. It doesn't sound like he's complaining much
 
sbi
> Morality [...] is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and those that are bad (or wrong). A moral code is a system of morality (for example, according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) — Wikipedia
 
Ell
well he is complaining because everyone hates him :L but hes a douche in addition to using girls
but then again
I hate everybody :D
apart from you guys ;)
 
sbi
Look at the definition for "moral code" @Ell. It's a system of differentiating stuff into good or bad according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.
 
Ell
ahh okay, so it depends on your philosophy etc.
 
sbi
@Ell Yes. The important point of that definition is that there is no universally accepted moral code or ethics.
 
Ell
6:38 PM
yeah I suppose
 
there are some things univerally considered "bad" but not many
 
sbi
So if you ask whether something is moral or not, you need to give a reference to a moral code, otherwise it cannot be answered.
 
ok, off to the pub. Don’t get lost in moral conundrums here!
 
Ell
how about according to your moral code?
 
@KonradRudolph Have fun!
 
Ell
6:39 PM
@KonradRudolph have fun :)
@RMartinhoFernandes whaat I swear I said that first?
 
@Ell which one? THe adultery or the guy in your class?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Didn't you say just two days ago you have no money?
 
@sbi now we know why
 
Ell
@MooingDuck the guy in my class :L
 
sbi
@MooingDuck Yeah, I suppose there are things that virtually all moral codes will consider immoral. But I have a really hard time to come up with some. Can you?
@Ell According to my personal moral code? And are we speaking of him or the girls?
 
Ell
6:40 PM
@sbi murder?
yeah :)
 
@sbi genocide is right up there
@Ell actually, not murder :( Religious sacrifices are/were commonly accepted
 
Ell
@MooingDuck really? when is murder?
 
@MooingDuck Erm, what about the moral code of the guys that commit it?
 
Ell
@sbi the boy really
 
sbi
@Ell The term "murder" only makes sense within a moral code. Killing isn't always murder. So you have to be more specific.
 
6:41 PM
@Ell it's also been frequently ok by lords and kings
@RMartinhoFernandes they tend to go with "I was following orders or they'd kill me too" All the way up to the nutjob in power
 
@MooingDuck There's usually no malice involved in sacrifices.
 
sbi
@MooingDuck No, it isn't. (Case in point: According to nazi morale exterminating Jews was fine.)
 
@MooingDuck So, what about the nutjob in power?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I went with "killing", since you're right that "murder" requires a moral code
 
@RMartinhoFernandes They tend to commit suicide before you can do anything to them
 
Ell
6:42 PM
hmm its tough
 
sbi
@MooingDuck Killing is fine under certain circumstances in virtually all moral codes.
 
Ell
do you think suicide should be legal - and Im talking like out of the blue suicide - not euthanasia?
 
@sbi I said that yes
 
@CollinHockey Pol Pot didn't.
I'm sure I could name more.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I guess neither did Saddam
 
6:44 PM
@Ell there's more shades of grey there too. What of people in extreme mental and/or physical pain that won't ever go away?
 
Ell
I think it should be legal in that circumstance
 
@Ell many do, but that's not "out of the blue" nor "euthanasia"
 
What's the point of making suicide illegal?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes failed attempts
 
sbi
Well, here's one example: Unprovoked killing of someone who is closely related to you. That's probably considered immoral in all moral codes. But even this is a tricky one. (What about kingly offspring killing each other for the throne? Aren't they almost expected to do that?)
 
Ell
6:45 PM
@MooingDuck okay - not "out of the blue"
hmm
i dont know - I guess its too difficult without picking specific instances
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes It used to be illegal in many jurisdictions. ISTR it being illegal in the UK until the middle of the last century.
 
my company logs waaay too much information in our program
 
@MooingDuck Can't you just turn down the logging level?
 
@CollinHockey I don't know where the information I need is. But yes
 
sbi
There once was an X from place B,
Who satisfied predicate P,
The X did thing A,
In a specified way,
Resulting in circumstance C.
 
6:48 PM
@MooingDuck So, effectively only attempted suicide is illegal.
Because no one gets reprimanded for going through with it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I guess you could also make success illegal, and fine the estate.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes If you commit a crime, but then die, you've still done something wrong.
 
Ell
@sbi that is absolutely genious!
I am posting that on facebook :D
 
@sbi In this case, dying is the crime itself.
It's not "but then die".
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes No. Dying is not a crime. Killing yourself is, according to some (like the Christian) moral codes.
 
6:50 PM
on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the worst, 2 being the best, and 10 being somewhere around the middle, how are you today?
we keep switching between "illegal" and "immoral" here, which dulls arguments. What's our topic?
 
sbi
@MooingDuck The least annoyed or the most tired? And what's wrong with your numbering system?
 
@MooingDuck π
 
Ell
@MooingDuck 9
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Is that a stool?
 
@sbi I copied the first half and didn't notice it didn't quite match
 
6:52 PM
@sbi On Dwarf Fortress, yes.
 
@sbi lowercase pi isn't it?
 
Here, it's the Greek letter pi.
 
sbi
@MooingDuck Well, "illegal" is just "immoral" codified in a law. People tend to codify their moral codes.
 
@sbi still seperate. It's immoral but not illegal to cut someone off in traffic. It's illegal but not (or questionably) immoral to tie a giraffe to a telephone pole in Atlanta.
 
"These Giraffes are a scourge on the beautiful Atlanta skyline... there should be a law"
 
6:55 PM
Isn't a stool the thing that comes out of your body?
 
@Mysticial It's also a seat.
@MooingDuck Why is that illegal?
 
sbi
@MooingDuck That's why I said "tend to".
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think that anyone knows anymore
 
Oh, it's one of those silly joke law things?
Like, pigs can't have sex in airports.
 
sbi
Stool may refer to: *Stool (seat), a type of seat without back or arm rests ** A bar stool ** A footstool ** A Stool (hieroglyph), an alphabetic uniliteral sign of ancient Egypt ** In West Africa, a throne :In particular, the Golden Stool of Asante * A flush toilet, in some dialects * Feces: :In particular, human feces :Categorized using the Bristol Stool Scale * Short-slang for Stool Pigeon * A living stump capable of producing sprouts or cuttings
 
6:58 PM
I rarely hear the word "stool" outside of a doctor's office. Even as a chair, hardly anyone uses it. Everyone just says "chair".
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Probably because the giraffe would be a hazard to pedestrians.
 
I think the last time I heard "stool" used a a chair was in like elementary school or something...
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm sure it had a reason at the time
 
Ell
@Mysticial I use "stool" as in "bar stool"
 
Clearly, I don't go to bars that often...
 
sbi
6:59 PM
@Mysticial I thought a stool is a chair without backrest and armrest? That could be me getting lost in translation issues, though.
 
I had a bad experience a few years back... lol
 
Ell
@sbi thats what I would call it
@Mysticial I don't ever go to bars :P
 
sbi
@Mysticial A bad experience in a bar involving stool? Ugh.
 
Ell
:L
I'm underage :P If I go anywhere its a pub.
 
@sbi No, a bad experience with drinking...
 
7:01 PM
@Ell What's the difference?
 
sbi
@MooingDuck I'd consider that immoral, too, but I get your point. Still, laws are just codified morality, so, at least in principle, "illegal" is congruent with "immoral".
 
@RMartinhoFernandes here, pubs sell food. Bars do only alcohol.
 
Oh. We have none of that differentiation.
 
sbi
Well, I gonna go home now. I might drop in at home, but I doubt it. See you guys tomorrow!
 
7:03 PM
@sbi yeah, theory doesn't quite match practice here.
 
Ell
@RMartinhoFernandes between a bar and pub?
 
> Love is for sissies; it's whisky that makes you a man.
 
Ell
@sbi bye :)
 
Ell
@RMartinhoFernandes well there are british pubs which are... well british pubs. and bars are just different
i dont know :L
 
7:09 PM
At bars you can buy nuts and crisps and shit.
 
Ell
yeah
and those yellow things
 
Or cheese portions.
 
Well, here you can get alcohol pretty much anywhere.
 
Guess, that doesn't really count as food :)
 
Ell
now take a look at me now!
theres just an empty space!
 
7:11 PM
I think you can get alcohol anywhere in most countries. Even from vending machines.
 
@StackedCrooked Don't think from vending machines.
 
Ell
@RMartinhoFernandes :D
 
most countries have age restrictions on alcohol and a machine has no idea who gave it money
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked yea, no vending machines selling alcahol in the uk
 
7:12 PM
@DeadMG Perhaps not in UK. But here we have them.
 
@DeadMG Here you can.
Legal drinking age is 16.
 
huh, how curious
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked where are you?
 
Legal drinking age is here 16 as well I think. But it's often not enforced. A few years ago I saw this experiment on TV where they let a 12-year old kid order heavy ale in tavern. Most of the times it was just given to him without questions asked.
 
Continental Europe. The last shred of sanity left in the world.
 
7:14 PM
@Ell Belgium.
 
Ell
I want to live in norway when I'm older. Just putting it out there.
 
@DeadMG Japan has them I know
 
@Ell I think in Norway you can't buy alcohol on Sundays.
 
Ell
...really?
 
7:16 PM
Can pigs have sex in Norvegian airports?
 
@StackedCrooked soundandcomplete.com/2010/07/17/norway-and-alcohol "stores are not allowed to sell any alcohol to anyone after 6pm on Saturdays, and not allowed to sell it at all on Sundays."
 
Ell
woaah cool
that makes me want to live there even more!
how sensible!
 
@Ell How ridiculous, you mean.
What's special about Sundays?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Jesus
@RMartinhoFernandes sarcasm
 
He was walking around in public with his girlfriend and they were both drinking a can of beer. He got some looks, but nobody said anything. (He didn't know the rules yet.)
 
7:18 PM
Alcohol is as bad every day of the week.
@MooingDuck Damn.
 
In Norway the king is also the head of the church.
It seems strange country to me in some regards.
 
Why do so many OpenGL examples use windows.h? :(
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Kingsville Texas, USA
 
@MooingDuck I know.
 
In Bakersfield, Calif., if you're going to have sex with Satan, you've gotta use a condom.
 
7:20 PM
Poor pigs.
@MooingDuck So, Satan is a woman?
Oh, or a homosexual man.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes or maybe he/it has to wear the condom?
 
I was led to believe Satan was male and straight.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes by the American media?
 
That's forbidden here.
 
7:24 PM
And that show is aimed at teenager kids!
 
People can't smoke on air unless the show is rated for adults.
 
I think that it's forbidden in most countries by now.
 
It's incredibly silly, but people like to have the government take care of their parenting responsibilities.
 
In the UK, all men over the age of 14 must carry out two hours of longbow practice a day. (according to many pages of questionably accuracy)
 
Ell
@MooingDuck true
 
7:26 PM
Wut?
 
@MooingDuck Are you kidding?
 
@StackedCrooked I can't find a page saying otherwise
 
Is "longbow practice" an euphemism for something sexual?
 
Ell
I am from the UK
:)
 
How many persons die every year from longbow accidents?
 
Ell
7:28 PM
suprisingly few actually
speaking of RTS's, did anyone play Total Annhilation?
and does anyone play Spring?
 
@Ell I did briefly.
 
> "At my company, the powers-that-be determined that, because we rejected a lot of job candidates, my group was ineffective at hiring new employees,"Kendall writes, "thus, the responsibility of hiring new developers was shifted to a group much more proficient at hiring: human resources."
Sigh.
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked spring? or the original?
 
@Ell I don't even remember, it was back in 2000 I think.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes every day I load that page and love my job a little more
 
7:34 PM
@MooingDuck Wow, does it work like compound interest?
 
@StackedCrooked not really, it only slightly compensates for working with Java, and not having the vaguest idea how to fix problems in our products. :(
 
@MooingDuck You're working with Java?
 
Right now, when I call the server, I hear silence. Been a week, still haven't the faintest idea why.
@RMartinhoFernandes C++/Java hybrid, with third party communications libraries that don't seem to do logging.
and by C++, I of course mean, C with MFC.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes the newer coders are slooooowly converting stuff to C++, mostly when we aren't supervised.
But it's slow going, almost everything goes through memcpy at one place or another
 
7:39 PM
Ew.
 
but the people and policies are great, so I stay
pay is good too
 
Ell
does anyone know where i can find a norwegian pen pal?
 
In Norway.
 
Spam .no e-mail addresses?
 
7:42 PM
You could make Alf your pen pal.
 
why would you want a pen pal? Isn't that more or less what we're for?
 
Ell
all of these sites look incredibly dodgy
well I need someone to help me learn the language
 
@Ell ah. Find a norwegian forum/chatroom or something
 
@MooingDuck We aren't good enough:(
 
@StackedCrooked specifically our skills on one area: Norwegian
 
Ell
7:43 PM
you are of course good enough :D if you know norwegian you can talk to me on skype :)
 
I have some 1700 Norwegian telephone prompts :D
 
Ell
maybe i will trawl through SO's users to try and find a norwegian one :D
 
@Ell here:
 
Ell
trondheim! the awesome city of awesomeness!
 
7:48 PM
@Ell How about taking Norwegian evening classes?
 
Ell
but hes 26! and im 16! that might be a bit awkward :L
 
Ell
I am trying to learn from online tutorials, but I need resources like worksheets and stuff. I cant afford evening classes :O
 
@Ell Age of consent is 16, no?
 
Ell
7:49 PM
shudder
Well I don't know, I might contact him :L
there are lots of perverts on internet chatrooms >.<
 
Ell
8:03 PM
anyway im off
hva det godt ;)
 
8:16 PM
@Ell look here: freak.no/forum
sorry i was away
today
sorry i was away
 
what is "chronic" malnourishment?
 
while visiting diabetes nurse today, she didn't like the look of my bad toe, called the doctor, and he proceeded immediately to slice off my nail. ouch!
^ you know you're getting old when you're discussing illnesses all the time
 
sounds painful
 
@me: listening to Gary Moore's "Still Got The Blues". May he RIP.
yes.
pain is good. :-)
 
euh
wut?
 
8:24 PM
when u no longer feel pain, you're probably dead.
and that's ungood.
hence, pain is good.
 
ah I see
 
@sbi My lie comes to light? Actually, I just got a nice financial boost from beyond the veil
 
just penguins
 
@MooingDuck well they say condoms make sex safe, but there was this Swede who used a condom, and still was shot by her husband
 
@CheersandhthAlf Distinguishing between wanted and unwanted is what it boils down to. I.e. having preferences. It doesn't really have to involve pain.
 
8:29 PM
oh?
 
Never mind me, I'm just rambling.
 
@jalf Just noticed your message. I'll look into it!
 
I just made a chatroom =)
 
@LearningC oh? not here I see
 
8:41 PM
@KonradRudolph I asked a question in that you commented that you can write it with 4 times less code could you please give me some guidance?my code is here stackoverflow.com/q/9939193/1285136
 
@MooingDuck I got yelled at by DeadMG because I was pissing him off with C questions =) So I made a C chat room chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/9614/c
 
there already existed a C chatroom, I think
but it was pretty dead so I doubt anyone would notice
 
It exist now =)
 
@user1285136 oh my, that question again. boost::multi_array<double, 3>
 
@StackedCrooked cool. I'll have to try to reproduce it myself. Was going to write a blog post about those two issues you found, but can't really do that until I'm sure what's wrong in the second one. I think I was wrong in assuming it was the same read-before-readwrite problem. Looking closer it seems safe enough
 
8:44 PM
@jalf Integretated it into my code. (Fixed a few build errors.) It stills fails after a few iterations.
 
hmm, interesting. Then it's definitely a library bug :)
 
I mean, it fails with the HEAD revision of the stm repository.
It used to work with the old code you gave me.
 
ok
 
Hi, any QT expert around?
 
Sounds like a race condition. Yuck...
 
8:46 PM
I need to use QT in my application
but it is built for dynamic link
at the same time, I have libraries which require static link
 
@jalf FYI, you can checkout my code and run the rebuild-debug script to build it. (And you also need to run ./get-dikustm.sh in the 3rdParty dir.)
 
how can I solve that problem? Documentation says QT gets unstable if I rebuilt this statically
 
@StackedCrooked Ok. Might give that a shot. Looks like it should be fairly simple to rewrite the example using just boost::thread and standard library bits though
 
8:59 PM
@ClaudioJunior You should ask SO. This is mostly a social chat.
 

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