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1:37 AM
Wow, how original.
Netbeans doesn't have "move type to new file"? :/
Well this sucks.
 
user1174868
2:19 AM
Anyone here an admin or mod for stack overflow or programmers?
 
@CatPlusPlus Netbeans sucks. Eclipse is much better.
@Jordan I think there's a room for mods.
 
That ME thing didn't work in Eclipse.
 
user1174868
I am just trying to get unbanned from asking questions
 
user1174868
because programming without being able to get help is hard
 
2:26 AM
@Jordan Ohhhh.
What did you do?
 
user1174868
I am not sure, I think I asked for tech support stlye help and was restricted from asking questions
 
2:56 AM
Anyone know the best way to do version control for Abstract Base Class virtual methods?
 
@Chad: Not sure what you mean by that
 
Eg.. Adding new ABC member functions later on but also having a safe way that the programmer who is using it doesn't screw it up with new versions that are released.
class Iview {
virtual void MethodCall() = 0;
}
 
Oh I thought you meant by version source control (e.g. Mercurial, Git, etc.)
 
Oh no, just code wise
Because I can use function pointers, but I like abstract base classes because it means its cleaner
I guess research has allready been done on this with DCOM and COM
 
What do you mean by "a safe way that the programmer who is using it doesn't screw it up with new versions that are released."?
 
2:59 AM
Component Object Model
 
Can you give a specific scenario of where adding virtual functions backfire?
 
It will break ABI and API either way.
 
Okay lets say I add a new virtual pure method right, but its only avaliable in version 1.01 of the engne, but they use it in 1.00 when its not avaliable
 
The way COM deals with it is to not deal with it
specifically in COM once an interface is published
 
eg... if they call it within version 1.o0 they get a warning message that says "Call to pure virutal method ..."
 
3:00 AM
It's fixed in stone
 
AFAIR interfaces in COM are supposed to be immutable.
 
So you create a new one when you want to add things.
This is really the only way to do that without breaking ABI.
 
-They must have a unique interface identifier (IID).
-They must be immutable. Once they are created and published, no part of their definition may change.
 
I was thinking the same, though is it best to use function pointers instead?
Though it means I have to write a shit load more code
 
3:01 AM
Otherwise the size of vtable changes, and you can't use them between different versions.
 
Just for some background this is for a exe that is giving a plugin callback functions.
 
@Chad: You can make a new interface with the new functions
 
So I cannot really use Lib files
 
Depends on what you're doing. Function pointers will probably get clunky really fast.
 
When it comes to plugin interfaces
they really need to not change
Firefox keeps breaking plugins when they release new versions (which happens often nowadays, apparently)
 
3:03 AM
Just a side question, then how do people who make like Android , Appple, Microsoft API's system manage to do such a good job first time round. Though I guess they have somebody very experienced on the team to design this api's to begin with.
 
@Chad: They don't.
 
Ahh roger.
 
The Java API has already deprecated lots of functions already
 
They test it a lot before making the API public.
 
And the Windows API is full of crufty stuff
 
3:04 AM
And you can't get everything right anyway.
 
But they do at least try to think through the design quite thoroughly
The directx COM interfaces all start with the direct3d version
 
though they do have the manifest file to tell the win API to load the specific dll
I ran into that whole issue with CommCtrl 5.0 and Commctrl 6.0
That was a mess
 
@Chad: Right, but their interface code-wise was pretty much the same (via SendMessage())
Yeah it was a mess because people keep hacking around the internal data structures of the controls
So when they tried dropping in the newer versions lots of programs broke
 
You would love the story I have to say Silico
I can tell you what happend you will go omg
 
Let's hear it. :-)
 
3:07 AM
Okay,, let type it
Okay we have a engine that doesn't use any the Comm Ctrl, so Microsoft loads the default commCtrl, its a game engine. When I was developing a plugin that used wxWidgets with CommCtrl 6.0 on Dllmain I checked and it was using CommCtrl 6.0 and it was loading all the required files.

The Dll plugin exports the functions it wants the engine to call via the .def file. So everything is going right. So On DllMain CommCtrl is switched from 4.0 to 6.0 on DllMain. So I'm thinking "great Im making progress".
 
ARGH FUCKING CHECKED EXCEPTIONS SO DAMN ANNOYING.
 
But when the engine calls one of the Def exported dll function's, it would use commctrl 5.0, instead of 6.0
this resulted in all the control's appearing like windows xp visual style.
The result of all this, was that when DLL main is called, the winAPI will read the manifiest of the dll and load all the required versions of the dll via the Activation Context API. Then it will call the Dll's DllMain.

On Exit, it will pop the context off the activation context stack and return to the previous commCtrl for the main executable.
So when calling the exported plugin functions, it would use the wrong commCtrl. Thus we got Windows or 98 looking buttons and contrls.
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, come on, it builds character.
 
The solution was to, call Activation Context to activate to load on each Exported DLL function the correct CommCtrl version.
This is not to mention the \fun\ I had finding out you should do nothing in DLLMain
Deploy the dll and on some peoples machine it freezes it, and on others its fine
 
@Chad: Oh goodness
The only thing I've used DllMain for so far is to clean up thread local storage
 
3:18 AM
I read about that, and from some tech blogs like the oldnewthing you have to be very very careful
 
Did you ever managed to fix the mess?
 
Yes with Activation Context API that Microsoft Provides.
It pretty ingenious what they done
 
That's still a mess. :-)
 
Each DLL get it's own Context that overload the class types of the controls
Was a pain in the ass to find out what was going on
 
I wished there was an easy way to call functions when a thread exits without using DllMain (which of course requires that you build a DLL)
 
3:20 AM
I understand the reason why they overload the class types for the win32 controls, but for the life of me I just don't understand why they didnt add version controls to them instead of overloading.
Eg.. BUTTON5.0, BUTTON6.0
 
@Chad: I think the idea was so that when older applications ran they get the spiffy new look and feel of the new operating system
 
Agree Silico, but I think they suddenly realised that programmers started using to exploit the old calling and data structures
 
@Chad: Well, you weren't supposed to do that anyway
 
Calling conventions, return codes, miss using data structures then they got themselves into that mess
 
And honestly if it weren't for the fact that people keep blaming Microsoft for everything they would've just said "fuck them"
 
3:21 AM
@Insilico Thats how they got into their catch 22
@Insilico The real odd thing is, that you cannot use the new visual interface without using the new manifiest system.
 
@Chad: Because of the fact that when they tried just dropping in the new controls lots of programs broke
Microsoft has actually contacted software companies before to tell them to stop doing stupid shit (again, because they keep getting blamed for their bugs)
 
@Insilico Agreed, but their documentation of their windows message's are complex
 
@Chad: That's not an excuse. :-)
 
@Insilico For example, using a EDIT control, you just simply overload paint message and do something else you want with the control
 
It's one thing to not understand how window messages work, it's another to actually hack around the memory of the control itself
(which they have done, The Old New Thing blog is full of stories like that)
 
3:26 AM
One of the biggest problem I have with the MSDN resource site is its two things. Technical detail and advertisement mixed together about Microsoft software. So it makes it very hard to specificy get to the detail that you need. Though, I understand that there is a big reason behind a lot of their design choices with their API and its 30 years old.
 
@Chad: I haven't seen advertisements at all when looking up functions and messages
 
Im only complaining because it took me one week to make a dialog box
 
I just use a non-MSDN search engine to find what I want
 
@Insilico Same
 
3:41 AM
BORED
 
anyone know anything about SSL?
I'm stuck real good and I'm about to strip the SSL off my sockets in a little while
 
I think the php users would know more about that topic
 
Yeh PHP SSL is a different deal
I think it's SSLeay or something
You think TLS encryption on a MMORPG is overkill?
Like the login process is encrypted but the game traffic is exposed
Anyone with an opinion?
 
Perforce sucks. There. I said it :)
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5:10 AM
@rmart thats an aliasing violation
 
6:09 AM
@carleeto I tweeted something about it few months ago, and the P4 product manager replied asking me the reason. heh.
 
6:23 AM
hmm I guess you need BIOs to use asyncronous sockets
 
@user1220811 (a) the stock c++ answer is Boost Asio (pretty sure it does SSL) (b) my personal experience has been with libssl directly (although there wasn't much spectacular going on - just request + response + close socket)
@user1220811 (c) PoCo.Net would look like very userfriendly and has SSL support:
Or just google Poco with SSL (and find blogs like this)
@carleeto In other news: yawn :) You can do a lot worse than p4 :) Clearcase anyone? Sourcesafe? Serena Dimensions? Pick your poison
@CatPlusPlus Also, the IDE helps, no?
 
@sehe NO.
 
What IDE :) ?
Vim?
This one area where I'd use Eclipse over vim, anyday. Eclipse JDT offer the same level of editing support as VS + Resharper for C#, IMO. I can live with that.
Though I always have Vim around for the grunt work
Woah:
5 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Netbeans doesn't have "move type to new file"? :/
 
i had nightmares of remapping the vim cp keys
 
@CatPlusPlus are you saying Netbeans doesn't cope with checked exceptions for you on the fly?!! Gasp. And people always tell me Netbeans is supposed to be better than Eclipse.
Fools
@Chad cp keys? Doesn't ring bells.
 
6:35 AM
It copes as well as Eclipse, which is to say not at all.
 
Also, what were you doing remapping those.
 
@sehe copy past
it was the case it didnt have them ;)
 
@CatPlusPlus Aw comeon! I have been using Eclipse for about 2 years, of my own choice, and I loved it to death, sooo much better than VS6 or the other stuff I was using.
@Chad Huh? You mean that your y/p keys were missing or broken?
 
> internal compiler error: canonical types differ for identical types
 
@sehe no my brain has been wired for hitting ctrl+c ctrl+v, so its either it has it or doesnt. I tried to remapp them but never could
I think i had to make a script for it
 
6:38 AM
It has been a while now, though and I think R# + VS has gone on top now. But still, whenever I need to I can easily find my way in Eclipse and be about as productive as back then.
@Chad Oh. Nr. #1: don't use vim if you want notepad Nr #2: Vim on windows already does the remapping on default installations - at least since v6 (it has :behave mswin +custom vimrc) Nr. #3 search SO for the FAQ
@LucDanton GCC? I think I saw this problem with template type not being deduced correctly
 
@sehe GCC indeed. I may have hit that one once before but the methodology for this one case is new.
 
Ah this is my bug report of a similar thing (I think). It has to do with const/non-const. And I think I had a workaround.
However, I failed to reduce the testcase to not use Spirit... I don't see how the endusers should be able to reduce that; I'd say that is highly specialist work that the GCC foks should be far more experienced in.
 
Casual googling suggests that this internal error can be (and could be) triggered in different, unrelated situations.
In my case I can probably produce a reasonably concise test case. But first to check for a duplicate.
 
@LucDanton That's always good. (The small test case). If you find a dupe, perhaps still add the testcase to the existing bug, because that really helps
 
lol I am an old QBasic guy so I go ctrl-insert
@sehe tyvm for the help
 
6:58 AM
@user1220811 Ctrl-Insert, Shift-Insert and Ctrl-Del work out of the box for me too, on linux even and without further mappings (well, <S-Insert> is mapped to <MiddleMouse> due to the default debian config:)
   <S-Insert>    <MiddleMouse>
	Last set from /usr/share/vim/vim73/debian.vim
Perhaps these are late additions. I reckon if you vimmed back in the QBasic days, things might have been different. For sure, I didn't QBasic in my professional life :) That is highschool sentiment
 
I feel very comfortable with a command line. I used to use XTree but Midnight Commander is good for Linux
vim is very robust
 
@user1220811 That sounds like a contradiction to me. I'm more comfortable at the command line, which is why I shun straight-jacket UIs like MC (Norton commander) and XTree Pro stuff.
Trying something, brother?
Lol
Dafuq. Just found these in my mailserver log
Apr  1 18:30:27 koolu postfix/smtp[15045]: E3DC4229E4: to=<no-reply@akroncommunityfdn.org>, relay=akroncommunityfdn.org.1.0001.arsmtp.com[174.143.82.82]:25, delay=1.2, delays=0.09/0.04/0
Apr  2 06:04:36 koolu postfix/smtp[23479]: EF40222AE6: to=<no-reply@kamensktel.ru>, relay=mx.kamensktel.ru[89.107.115.226]:25, delay=4, delays=0.09/0.03/3.5/0.42, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent
I don't do relay! So, either some device on the wifi is infected/sending receipt notifications or I have a serious security problem somewhere.
I'm guessing spam + the wife has receipts on by default.
Still, that is the first time I saw this happen so need to investigate a liltle more
 
7:14 AM
best of luck to you
I hate bugs
 
relevance?
 
This dammed SSL I have had it! When I finally have it working I get a "connect: no error" message telling me I have no open listening socket! I have it working without BIO but I can't handle more then one connection per server session. Maybe it only works properly under Linux. I am going to screw with it for another few hours then I strip all the SSL out of my source! Anyone know of an alternative method of securing MMORPG connections
 
Huh. I found 154 suspect outgoing mails in the last month. Logs get expunged monthly, so that leaves me guessing since how long this has been happening. My guess is since my wife got a Bada Phone
@user1220811 I can say it worked correctly with both Windows and AIX 5.3 :) Using BIO, that is.
And we used 2-way SSL (client certificates)
I don't recall having much code involved, only around 20-30 lines of code basically copied/pasted from docs/tuts
 
can you give me some wisdom on the subject?
 
@user1220811 was already looking
@user1220811 can I send it to you privately? I wouldn't want 'our' code floating on the web
(Note this is from an old project)
 
7:32 AM
sure how can I transmit my email address so all the spam bots can;t find it/
is there a better way?
 
picture
or you can name-mangle it
Heck this is the C++ room, names are meant to be mangled...
 
@user1220811 got it (delete it quick?)
 
now you can delete it
 
cheers
 
I should get it soon. TY for the help
I was getting desparate
 
7:37 AM
I'm almost done anonymizing stuff. Notes:
* this is not my own code (i inherited it) so I don't vouch for actual quality. I **do** know that it WorkedForUs(TM)
* this is not complete code, I left out the general networking implementation; this code contains everything related to openSSL, so you can peak at how it worked.
If you really want to have something 'working' to re-use in your codebase, see the libs I quoted earlier
 
The libs seem to only work with clients I am dealing with a SSL server situation
nice libs though
nope I found server lbs
hmm if I give up on OpenSSL I might use them. I don't need my lib to do back flips I just need secure basic TLS
 
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A: How to access NES display register in Google's 8bit Map SDK?

tom_mai78101There is no new gimmick on Google 8-bit Map SDK. I think you have to create a new world map customly-designed as an 8-bit map, like sprites, characters, mobs, etc. Then you use Google Map SDK like you normally do. And whe you magnify a portion of your customized map, you can try adding some new s...

It's the best I got from April Fools' Day.
 
@user1220811 jeez. Anonymizing is hard. Well, it's actually quite short now, I think it's nothing beyond fair-use now (since it isn't fully selfcontained and working code):
 
thanks
 
Oh hey, I just noticed that your rep automatically updates without refreshing...
 
7:51 AM
For context, the original code went in a directory like XXX.Lib.Networking.SSL (with peer directories missing in the ZIP. The peer directories contain nothing but obvious utility code, in this context)
@Mysticial Whose rep does? Mine is stationary :)
 
I guess that what happens when I haven't answered a single question in almost a week... :(
Your own rep counter at the top of the page.
 
Ok, guys. I'm off to work. Long day aead.
 
I just got a residual vote and my rep updated while I was editing my profile. lol
 
@Mysticial One's rep or you can see your own rep automatically updating. Remember, I'm a pedant :)
@Mysticial Racy
 
@sehe ..................
 
7:54 AM
Congrats to new rep number, Mysticial.
My rep increased during the April Fools' Day.
 
Back when I was answering 5+ questions a day, I'd get like 5 or so residual votes a day.
 
Oh wow.
 
Now, I get like 1 every day or two...
 
Saturated, I guess.
 
@tom_mai78101 ??? I've actually been stuck at 40k for a while.... Not that I care anymore. That number doesn't mean much after you pass 20 - 30k...
 
7:55 AM
@Mysticial And I'm trying to climb up to that high levelness.
@Mysticial Wished there's a way to donate reps to people in need in SO.
 
@Mysticial in other news, did you spot the conversation on FFT last night? It had reference to MIT Sparse FFT implementation that I wasn't previously aware of
 
I basically rep-whored to 25k, then it started getting very old and tired. So I pulled back - and slowly inched my way to 40k.
 
@tom_mai78101 There are helpful buttons for that you know. Allthough, that's not how it really works
@Mysticial Slowly inching towards 40k involved gettings answers with >100 votes, though
 
@Mysticial I actually lost the appetite for rep after a few weeks/months already. It's too much chasing after silly questions that have high gain. I get much more satisfaction thinking about more complex questions, even if I don't get the rep or I even conclude I can't decently answer them.
 
I repwhored all the way to 40k and then stopped. I guess I'll get the 'Legendary' badge before I turn 65
 
7:58 AM
@sehe Content quality, eh?
If I were to answer a simple question, with content that exceed expectations, then I will be riding on the karma train?
 
Yup. You can check my answers. Downvote if you find them lacking. Remember to upvote if they have merit :)
I still like rep. I just don't like hunting for it too much anymore
 
@sehe That denormal question was the first (and only) big one I've done after I stopped re-whoring... So I think I got like 2k from that answer alone + about 10 rep-caps which helped me to that legendary badge.
@KillianDS Yeah, re-whoring got old for me after like 3 months...
 
@Mysticial You're already legendary? You must be the fastest in SO history.
 
Is SO young?
 
Um no... that'd be Jon Skeet
 
8:00 AM
I think I was pretty quick to Epic (I worked hard for it)
 
I'm actually 10x more satisfied that my (actually quite basic) 'how to use the x264 lib' still accumulates a vote every few weeks than by answering a common std::vectorquestion that gets 5 upvotes at once.
 
I think I got it after 180 or so days.
 
But my stats are skewed becuase I actually signed up to SO two years before I actually started using it :)
Round that time, I remember KerrekSB being the other shooting star. I still vaguely remember you coming into the the top percentiles a bit later too, yes :)
 
Rep-whoring is actually very tiring... Everyday - 6/7pm (in my timezone), turn on the refresher and camp...
answering everything question you can possibly answer.
 
Heh... Boot camp dreams.
 
8:02 AM
By 2-3am I hit the sack for class the next day. Wake up in the morning and see how far I am from the repcap.
 
@Mysticial It was good exercise though, and I learned an awful lot. I can honestly say it was time well spent.
 
And days where I repcap early, I can turn off the refresher and focus on work.
 
But once the 'learning things' wears off, you got to skip into 'monitoring' mode :)
I learnt more about (a) being correct (b) formulating well than about the actual topics. C++11 being the exception. I learned myself C++11 in that period. It really was time well spent
 
After I got legendary, I turned off my refresher, but then I started missing those big ones...
 
@sehe I can agree to that, the things I learned from trying to answer C++ questions, reading other (mostly better) answers and the C++ discussions here improved my c++ skills massively. Even if I don't have that high rep :)
 
8:03 AM
one after another... and it started annoying me...
 
I don't even hope for the big ones. Too hard to predict. Also, not to be rude, I don't think the 'big ones' actually deserve all the attention they get. It's a reddit/slashdot/twitter game then :)
I love reading those, but I'm not basing my rep on that. Call me conservative.
 
@sehe I topped the week and month lists back in October to early December.
 
Pseudo Code: Displaying specific folders and list all contents from there.

loadStack(AssetManager manager, String path, int level)
	String[] list = Get all contents from AssetManager.
	If (list not null)
		do loop for all list[]
			If (level at least 1)
				loadStack(manager, path + "/" + list[i], level + 1);
			else											loadStack(manager, list[i], level + 1);
 
@Mysticial Anyways, did you hear about Sparse FFT before?
 
Then I started to pull off from the dumbest questions and started to slow down.
 
8:06 AM
I need help on this algorithm.
 
@sehe Yes, haven't read it yet.
I've heard about it, but it didn't seem applicable to any of the things I'm doing currently.
So it's on my low priority reading list.
 
@Mysticial Sounds promising. I have the sneaking suspicion it might be subtly lossy, but it wasn't mentioned anywhere obvious. So, that means it just uses heuristics to optimize for common/quick cases
Well, if you do big-num multiplications, convolution leads to FFT pretty quickly, IIRC?
 
Algorithm, I'm trying to find a way how I can traverse around a large directory, and look for whether this next folder is actually a subdirectory or a file.
 
convolution is multiplication in the frequency domain if I'm not mistaken so it should help yes :p
 
@sehe Yeah, but they aren't sparse. In some cases you only need the top half the transform. (like in a floating-point multiply, where you throw out the bottom half the digits)
but that's not really sparse
 
8:09 AM
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A: Directory recursion and symlinks

seheThe most frequently ignored API in this field would be nftw Nftw has options to avoid it traversing symlinks. It has much more advanced capabilities than that. Here is a simple sample from the man page itself: #define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500 #include <ftw.h> #include <stdio.h> #include &...

 
Not for the win?
 
@Mysticial Well, kind of sparse, but more easily optimized for than by some convoluted (pun intended) algorithm
@tom_mai78101 Why not? I used it on cygwin, I'm sure it is POSIX and windows will have implemented it too. Search for a bit.
 
Alright, working on it.
 
@sehe lol, optimizing an FFT is definitely a very convoluted process... especially when it comes to memory...
The access patterns in an FFT are almost identical (but worse) than the one in that loop question. Having to optimize around that kind of crap is mess...
 
@Mysticial I know. I read the Cooley Tukey paper when I was 16. Can't say I fully grokked it, but I did do an implementation in 286 assembly.
(I still regret that I lost that code. Never thought about backupping preserving stuff; perhaps that's why I'm currently the family backup freak)
 
8:15 AM
Temporary leaving to fix some troubles at the super computer.
 
@sehe You implemented Cooley Tukey in fucking assembly?!?!?! RESPECT..........
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@Mysticial Yup. It kinda worked (for synthethic tests). I was building a AD conversion circuit (PCI) too. I still have the PCI circuit (etched by 'hand') and the diagrams somewhere in the shed. However, never did complete it fully... No time (it was a school project. :))
 
@sehe And I thought implementing it on the GPU was a hard task, nice
 
Sadly my teacher didn't really appreciate the effort that went into the software part so I got 7 out of 10 only :) That was a major flunk in my book
@Mysticial By the way, that was as an external procedure call to Turbo Pascal 6 program, would you believe it? I hadn't run into any friends with a C++ compiler in my school days yet
I hardcoded the sine/cosine tables (I didn't have the numerical coprocessor, 80287 IIRCC), and used fixed point arithmetics (since my samples were only 8 bits wide, hardware limitation)
 
@sehe Always happens... teachers sometimes (usually) don't recognize things that are good. :(
 
8:21 AM
You can pretty much predict that I hardcoded window size, and didn't really know the first thing about windowing functions :) I'd call it amateurish, but hey, it was fun and I learned a lot
 
For me, I'm a lot better at writing FFTs than using them... lol
 
@Mysticial The good ones do, though
 
The only time I've used FFTW was to basically benchmark it against mine...
 
@Mysticial Well, at your level that just means that you win hand-down in both areas
@Mysticial Let me guess: FFTW won in the general case and on ARM hardware, but yours won for y-cruncher and other suitable cases?
 
Not really, I haven't actually done any "real" signal processing with FFTs yet - aside from looking for frequency spikes...
I usually just ask my Dad - that's his area...
 
8:25 AM
Well, the good news is: FFT (and other transforms, Wavelet, Laplace etc.) aren't just for DSP - that's only what the physics guys want to make it look like because they're so cool!
 
@sehe The one I'm building as part of my grad-school research beats FFTW. I'm halfway through writing a paper on it, but then I found another powerful trick to use. So I'm holding off on the paper until I see how the new transformation plays out.
 
My respect goes to the mathematicians who actually came up with applying FFT/iFFT to bignum calculations
@Mysticial Well, I'll be keeping an eye out since old love never wears off
 
I'm not a mathematician, I just took what "real" mathematicians have done in the past and made it faster.
So yeah, I tend to reinvent better wheels... Been doing it for a few years now. Looks like I can make a living off of it.
 
@Mysticial I know it was prior art, because I read about it. Still conceptually, that leap was a major one in maths.
Maths trumps physics in that respect
(Of course, as Feynman-ists would retort) physics trumps everything else everywhere else :)
Okay, really got to get to work, or I'll not meet my 8 hours. Cheers
 
I should probably get to sleep - 3:30 am here... :P cya
 
8:51 AM
I also want to sleep but I'm at work.
 
I actually answered a question... first time in almost a week. lol A basic one too.
Guess I got bored of doing nothing...
 
guys!
my work starts soon
 
Your works starts after 11 AM?
 
9:10 AM
Heh, that area51 staging thing is pretty easy :)
 
9:20 AM
Getting people to support my proposal will be less easy I guess
 
@Mysticial Go to sleep!
@JohannesSchaublitb girls!
@KillianDS Well, it gets easier if you post a link. Just don't spam it
 
Just got out of shower - something I usually do before I sleep.
And if it seems like I'm online 24/7, it might just be that I forgot to turn off the auto-refresher.
 
@Mysticial ... And if it seems like you forget to go to sleep it might be because you keep typing responses in the chat.
 
Did I forget to turn off the chat auto-responder as well?
 
@Mysticial lol
 
9:35 AM
@sehe sorry, I was just reflecting some thoughts, it has nothing to do with C++, this chat was just open, it's about computer networks
 
I guess so, I'll have to check it when I wake up in the morn... ehm... afternoon.
 
@KillianDS Sounds like a cool topic for cool people
 
9:54 AM
morning
 
@DeadMG mawning
 

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