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10:00 PM
but first, you should open Klingon style
 
> They were "just" smart, very smart people who were good at maths and good at learning, or I'd rather say, good at being taught.
 
Oh, the puppy found that.
 
I found it ages ago
I just keep posting links to it for no reason
 
So good.
 
I much prefer it over the source, actually
 
10:01 PM
Erm. I can't really pick. They're both gibberish.
 
@Cicada Repetitive.
 
I liked "Gangnam Style" much more once I read this article.
 
You listed "good at" three times.
 
Okay fixed.
 
@Rapptz That's not necessarily bad. I didn't mind myself.
Emphasis!
 
10:02 PM
@LucDanton True. Just my years of essay writing.
 
Ok, anyone knows how I can forcibly remove outstanding file locks in Windows?
 
@Rapptz Probably the influence of French. I'd emphasize like this in French.
 
File locks?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's some tools for that
Guaranteed UB though.
 
Right. Which tools?
@Cicada I know what I'm doing.
(Read: I have no idea what I'm doing, but if I'm fucking shit up, I'm fucking shit up my way)
 
10:04 PM
Process Explorer can do that for example
Do you know what process has it open?
 
Ok, I have that. Let's try.
 
Nevermind there's a search option
 
Do you just want to delete a file?
 
Find > Find handle
Type the file name there
It'll find the process that owns the handle. Right click on it -> close the mudafaka
UB UB UB UB UB
 
@Cicada Un defined be haviour
 
10:06 PM
@Rapptz I want to finish the deletion process. I was deleting it but shit hit the fan and now it's still there, but with no permissions, no owner, no anything (i.e. there's an outstanding lock). I want it gone so I can put something else in its place.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had to download a tool, called Unlocker.
worked for me
took a ridiculous amount of time but did, in fact, delete some file that Windows insisted was undeletable
 
Yeah I was thinking Unlocker or possibly.. WinDirStat but I figured the latter would either not work or be overkill due to scanning.
 
WinDirStat just scans, afaik.
 
It deletes too. Just not sure if it can force a delete.
 
I think they both do essentially the same, no? Scan for the handle owner then close the handle.
 
10:08 PM
Hi.
 
@Cicada Depends on what hoops Windows will make you jump through to delete an object it thinks is owned by someone else
 
user142019
@ShaquinTrifonoff Hello.
 
Unlocker is loaded each process iirc.
 
@DeadMG The whole lock system is silly
 
why?
files are shared resources and need synchronizing like any other shared resource
 
10:09 PM
Linux does it better, I think.
Open files do not hold directory entries.
 
Linux uses lockfiles
 
You can delete any file, and whatever was using it is fine.
It doesn't leave you a dumb brick in your filesystem.
 
Linux will in fact happily delete everything you want
 
Has anyone managed to get anti-aliased/hinted fonts in Wine? I've tried editing registry settings, editing .fonts.conf, and applying some patches, but nothing made a difference.
 
the thing that irks me most about Windows is when it says that I, the administrator, do not have permission to delete a file.
I'm the fucking administrator and have permission to do whatever the fuck I want.
 
10:11 PM
@DeadMG Yep. That's what I mean by "brick".
 
@ShaquinTrifonoff Have you tried gdipp?
 
Yeah, it's annoying as fuck.
 
user142019
When it comes to files and file permissions, UNIX FTW.
 
@ShaquinTrifonoff You're asking on a random C++ chatroom instead of, like, superuser or something?
 
@WTP'-- Yes and no. UNIX permissions are too simplistic.
 
10:11 PM
@Cicada No, I'll try it.
 
You're welcome.
 
@WTP'-- mmm. not sure whether it is permissions. Just filesystem capabilities, I guess. Windows can't let you delete a file that's being used. UNIX will
 
@DeadMG I thought maybe there was a C patch that worked :-) None of the ones that I have tried worked.
 
@Cicada Precisely
 
@ShaquinTrifonoff So, you're hoping that we know of a patch in a completely different language for a completely random system to solve a completely random problem?
this does not seem efficient
just use superuser
 
10:14 PM
@sbi What's special about 158?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's his SO rank.
 
Right. But 256 is mildly curious because it's a power of two.
 
not really
it's not particularly more impressive than 257 or less impressive than 255
what's most important is that it's considerably less than, say, 160 :P
 
It's a power of two.
 
10:16 PM
2^8 bitches.
 
Hint: I was not measuring dick sizes, I was just remarking at the curiosity.
 
yeah, I'm just joking about the dick sizes
 
Penises.
 
but I geniunely don't see any curiosity- SO has about 21bits worth of users, so logically about 21 of them will happen to have ranks that are a power of two
 
@EtiennedeMartel Penes?
Penises.. Both work eh.
 
10:18 PM
@DeadMG You're just jealous.
 
@DeadMG this almost exceeds the addressing capacity of the 386 and MC68K
 
He's def. jealous.
 
oh no
what am i saying
 
@DeadMG is made of jelly.
 
10:19 PM
jealous of what?
 
Power.
 
Of two.
 
@DeadMG Of Martinho's 256th position.
 
why would I be jealous of that?
 
Because it's cool.
 
10:20 PM
:5898783 128K, actually :(
 
if anything, 255 would be the more interesting rank
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I feel you D:
 
then you could at least claim that only 8 bits are needed to represent your rank
 
@DeadMG Because otherwise you wouldn't be arguing it's not that impressive, eh?
 
257 is better cause prime AND 2^8 + 1
 
10:21 PM
@DeadMG it is rather complicated to write a Windows "sudo" that doesn't pop up a new console window, but i found a longish explanation (last week) on i think code-something site
 
user142019
@sehe In Windows you cannot even move files that are being used.
 
@Cicada Also, 0x101 just looks sexy.
 
@WTP'-- You can rename them though
 
@WTP'-- you can renamed them
 
for the extra-console-window you can use ShellExecuteEx with special verb
 
10:21 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Alternatively, I could be suggesting that because you nubs seem to think it is impressive
 
@FredOverflow Looks like lol
 
@WTP'-- Depends on how they're opened (shared/exclusive locks)
@MooingDuck Depends on how they're opened (shared/exclusive locks)
 
No. I don't think anyone here thinks it's impressive.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do.
 
@Cicada Looks like what?
 
10:22 PM
I'm ranked above 2k so fuck you D:
 
BECAUSE YOU'RE COOL.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like "lol", litterally
 
@Cicada Shit de marde, t'as plus de rep que moi.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Pas bien dur
 
10:23 PM
the point is
you're all on crack
 
@EtiennedeMartel "Shit de marde"? WTF is that?
 
and I need to le sleep
 
@Cicada well spoken!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Something I like to say.
 
user142019
@Cicada @MooingDuck @sehe oh. I’ve always had trouble with renaming Word documents that were opened.
 
10:23 PM
@DeadMG Go eat some Mars in a corner :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Didn't even notice.
 
owwwwwww
 
@DeadMG Good night.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It kind of looks like "puta de madre"
 
don't remind me :(
 
10:24 PM
"Marde" is alternative spelling for "merde" in Quebec. So, essentially, it's incredibly redundant.
 
@WTP'-- Word is the worst. I will even keep files exclusively locked after you closed them (if you use Winword.exe as the email editor in Outlook). Very very very very annoying.
 
@DeadMG: to run commands elevated (does pop up console window though): pastie.org/5100668
 
Oh, and all of Microsoft Office refuses to save to a readonly file. Even after you made it writable again.
 
I'm in a hostel in Japan. It's 7:30 here and can't sleep anymore. So I'm in the shared living room using iphone to chat.
 
What are you doing Japan for
 
10:25 PM
@StackedCrooked Howdy. Vacation?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf winapi/CommandLine.h?
 
@sehe Japan is already done.
 
@StackedCrooked Boooo nice!
 
Vacation yes.
 
Boooo nice
 
10:26 PM
@StackedCrooked Don't watch the movie "Hostel".
 
@MooingDuck just a moment, i'll post it
 
Probably gonna visit Nara today.
 
that place
 
10:27 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
Ell
what is the use of a type erased list?
 
@LucDanton BioShock Infinite is so gonna be light hearted.
 
Subtle, too.
 
@EtiennedeMartel And yet the US is known for it's acceptance of immigrants from around the world. I'm not sure what that image is supposed to mean.
 
u mad
 
10:29 PM
@Chimera maybe part of the competition to illustrate the border fence/wall against mexico
 
@Chimera was
 
@Chimera The plot of Infinite is a tad more complex than that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is that image from a game?
@MooingDuck It still is, legal immigration.
 
does MSVC remove members from release builds?
 
Essentially, it's not about the US, but about Columbia, a flying city ruled by a xenophobic and imperialist upper class that was disowned by the US government once they opened fire on Chinese civilians.
 
10:30 PM
does somebody know about canonical huffman ? the wikipedia article pseudo code is either wrong or I can't understand it
 
@je4d Ohai. Long time no seen!
 
@Chimera I'm sticking with "was".
 
It all happens in an alternate history.
 
@sehe hai!
 
@EtiennedeMartel an alternate history. With a flying city. Right.
 
10:31 PM
Like BioShock was a deconstruction of objectivism, BioShock Infinite is probably going to be a deconstruction of nationalism.
 
yeah, I've been trying to be productive for a bit, SO chat doesn't help :)
 
@MooingDuck 1912, no less.
 
@je4d Did it work?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Goes hand in hand with our acceptance of "legal" immigration. Our immigration policy is more lenient than Mexicos.
 
or maybe so you guys have a better place to ask ?
 
10:31 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ah I see, never heard of the game.
 
@sehe Yeah, a bit
 
@je4d Oh great. I should try that once
 
@sehe managed to spend some time on github.com/je4d/BoostIntrusiveAnnotatedTrees
 
I don't think I've ever thought of the US as accepting of immigrants.
 
10:32 PM
almost got the regtests passing yesterday
 
@je4d Oh nice. I just recently toyed with intrusive containers the other week. Quite a clash with the usual container paradigm. What do you use it for?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Looks interesting
 
@sehe that came out of a project where i was trying to make a gui that could display a large amount of data in a table view, without any linear time operations
the idea was to annotate an rbtree with subtree counts so I could index into it in log time
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How do you suppose the US got to be known as the worlds "melting pot"?
 
10:34 PM
@jokoon alright, I read the article (not the code), where did you lose it?
 
@Chimera Well, I mean the contemporary US.
 
@je4d I have a feeling that it will just take an enormous time calculating the annotations - or can you deserialize them at once, while reading the actual data?
 
Maybe the lid is being put on the pot :P
 
@sehe updating the annotations is log time - that's the whole point
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just like any other country we have immigration policies. But I don't see how that makes any country "anti" immigrant.
 
10:35 PM
at any update you iterate to the top of the tree
 
@MooingDuck It's the pseudo code, I can't translate it to python
 
@jokoon wait, whoa. Just saw the pseudo code. That isn't even close to making any sense.
 
@Chimera Woah, woah, there's no dichotomy here.
 
@Chimera Those are your words.
 
@sehe next on my productivity todo list is to actually finish my blog about that project :)
 
10:36 PM
@je4d interesting anyways. I'd need to understand a lot more about the application domain to think along
 
@MooingDuck the first one though not the long one
 
@jokoon yeah, it's totally wrong
 
@je4d Pro tip: write about it even when you're not done. Thinking about stuff always helps you see the breakthroughs
 
@sehe yeah, it's not exactly self explanatory. stackoverflow.com/questions/5849203/… is related
 
@Chimera You should play BioShock. It's a shining example of a game that's deeper than it looks.
 
10:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What makes you think the US is against immigrants?
 
@sehe yeah, I've written a fair bit, just not happy with it to publish yet
 
@MooingDuck if you think you could also edit the wikipedia article that'd be cool :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think I will give it a try.
 
@Chimera Gawd, nothing!
 
anyways, what've I missed around here?
 
10:37 PM
@jokoon I can't recall my credentials. It appears teh code is discussed on the talk page, reading about it now
 
But there's nothing that makes me think they're on the opposite end either.
 
@jokoon check it out, the origional code is there too, makes a little more sense.
 
Stupid question: derived classes won't catch templates specialized for the base, right?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see.
 
@Pubby correct (your wording is poor there)
 
10:39 PM
@je4d was introduced. The ape stepped down as a room owner (but he is still here - less frequently since he changed jobs, I guess). Mooing Duck got married.
 
@MooingDuck you're telling me the code on the talk page is correct then ?
 
@jokoon I believe it is
 
Someone else graduated and the puppy has it's birthday today, IIRC
 
@sehe lol. Congrats @MooingDuck!
 
And I had a four disk raid 0 array fail.
 
10:40 PM
@sehe I dropped in from work once (not logged in, of course) and saw the puppyoverflow event :)
 
I gots me a job in Berlin.
 
without backups
 
Moving next week.
 
@je4d Oh, and daknok (currently WTP'-- here) had rage-quit. Only to rejoin ~2 weeks later.
 
@Pubby unrelated to your question, but.. is pubby8.wordpress.com you?
 
10:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Come to think of it, first time working in a foreign country?
 
@MooingDuck are you sure the first code is ALWAYS 0 ?
 
@je4d Yeah
 
@je4d Oh, I missed that
 
@LucDanton Yes.
 
@je4d Becoming quite well known that blog
 
10:42 PM
@jokoon no :( good call
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nerves?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Apprehensive? Curious? Impatient?
 
@MooingDuck I mean is the first code length is not always 1
 
@Pubby cool. Just read your thing on stack-based TMP... must try it
that was actually why I dropped by.. it landed in my twitter feed via @code_analysis, and i thought i recognised the name
 
@jokoon both pseudo codes are wrong
 
10:43 PM
cool
 
@Pubby btw i didn't really get what you were trying to ask wrt derrived classes/specialized bases
 
@LucDanton Definitely not aprehensive. A bit impatient, though; I'm dying of boredom.
 
@je4d I don't think I understood what I was asking either. Brainfart.
 
@Pubby haha
 
10:45 PM
@je4d Precisely. I noticed the tweet as well. Pubby mentioned another one, that was starrable, though:
6 hours ago, by Pubby
http://pubby8.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/stack-based-template-metaprogramming-in-c-11/ oh god. oh gaawwwdd. kill it! Kill it with fire before it's too late!!
 
@MooingDuck well thanks anyways, I'll try to come up with a solution or maybe try on compsci.stackexchange
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dying your hair of boredom?
 
oh. good
 
@sehe what's your twitter tag?
 
10:48 PM
@je4d sehetw, not very interesting though. I never quite caught on
 
Okay I think I'm done.
 
Ell
with life?
 
That too.
 
@MooingDuck if you found something please tell me, i'm leaving here
 
Amazon taking down all of EC2 just to get rid of the source of the Kindle-DRM PR debacle is pretty harsh but I applaud it in its consequence
^ Wait. What did I miss !?
 
10:50 PM
Wh- what?
 
@sehe ta for the upvote/edit on that Q... it's just made me realise I need to update it, it does do C++03 now
 
@je4d Oh, yeah, mention it - with my edit it will have risen on the SO frontpage anyway. Perhaps you might overtake the other answer(s)
@R.MartinhoFernandes No clue. It could be a troll tweet, for all I know
@Cicada Was it good? (SCNR)
 
Amazon's cloud thingy has been down for a while, but not because of Kindle DRM, but for other tech reasons
 
> Kindle-DRM PR debacle
what is it
 
witness Reddit being down
 
10:52 PM
Github was down too.
 
@Cicada cue: En Vogue, "What is love"
 
reddit appears to have been up for about an hour now.
 
@Rapptz I read that, how is it related?
 
10:55 PM
@Cicada It's.. Kindle.. and DRM related?
 
@Rapptz But why would they take EC2 down???
 
The tweet itself is a troll, I'm sure.
I'm just saying where the Kindle DRM thing comes from.
Not to mention you can check status usually here
 
@Cicada They didn't. That was troll. Obviously they mean to suggest that Amazon intentionally brought down EC2 just to cover up another PR problem. Obviously, this is not the case. It was a major mishap, though
> We have more than 100 EBS and they are all down, on multiple zones and even RDS multi zone is down... So, "limited number" "single zone" and "degraded performance" are far from reality...
 
good evening everyone :)
 
@sehe Limited number is true. Single zone is true = Earth. Degrade performance too. it's all relative :)
 
10:59 PM
@Cicada Nah. You are just oblivious to what a zone means on EC2. Nicely played though
One prime gone
 
lel
 
@Cicada lel?
 

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