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12:00 AM
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@daknøk oh - I missed that. Thanks ever so much for inflicting it on me nevertheless :)
 
Inflicting what?
 
Well that sucked.
 
@daknøk That citation
 
Oh.
I’m so sorry.
 
Ell
12:02 AM
flea market, Montgomery.
 
@daknøk My mind is sending f , xp and ;xp, ;xp ... involuntarily when I see that shit
@LucDanton is that good?
 
talkToSehe :: HumanLike a => a -> Confused a
 
No.
 
@Ell you drunk again?
@daknøk Me no speak haskell
@daknøk You'd understand if only you knew how to use vim
 
@sehe it is a function which takes a value of a type that is human-like and returns a value of a type that is confused human-like.
@sehe Dutch people sometimes… Oh wait.
 
12:04 AM
@daknøk I figured as much. I'm sure my vim motions/commands were a bit more cryptic (though xp is rather famous to swap characters, AFAICS)
 
You are always cryptic, I’m it gewend.
 
@sehe Hey I should start using that.
 
Aarrrrggg friend y u no on Skype.
@sehe escape, :xp, return, I takes much longer than like arrow, backspace, <letter-key> to type.
 
@LucDanton You should, indeed.
 
I don’t see why anybody would ever use Vim.
Emacs is much more easy to use.
 
12:07 AM
@daknøk What? escape? :? return? Did I say any of that anywhere? You don't know what the heck you're talking about
 
Me neither. XD
 
1 min ago, by daknøk
@sehe escape, :xp, return, I takes much longer than like arrow, backspace, <letter-key> to type.
You typed it, ok
Also the point is not so much the use of 'arrow keys' there, but rather the exact amount of it. And the fact that you have to use eye-hand coordination for it. Rather than 'absolute'/'skip' addressing. f<space> and ; are direct jumps
 
Is Emacs really supposed to be used with arrows? I used it last week what with learning some CL and I sheepishly used them, it felt wrong.
 
@LucDanton I use the arrow keys while navigating in vim, sometimes. They're there and I'm not picky. It's just that (text object) motions are a lot more effective
 
What felt wrong is that the arrow key don't feel 'there' at all.
 
12:13 AM
@LucDanton Oh. Maybe you should verify that your keyboard actually has them
 
Perhaps moving the wrist+hand that much is too much for my lazy self.
 
To me keeping my hands fixed/immobile for too long is painful/annoying. I like to vary. So I do
I also like to sit in wildly varying poses, so I can be caught typing standing up, on my knees, turned sideways, keyboard at armlength, keyboard at close range... everything
@LucDanton Thing is, I have to move my hand anyways. Not all keys are reached comfortably in standardized touch typing. Especially not for programming (parens anyone). I just don't have any problem blindly finding my home row back.
Perhaps it helps that I play the piano. I can find the right keys without looking when standing up, conducting and playing the piano at the same time. Hardly ever miss. Honestly, I don't even know how I do that myself. It's just... a feeling for the keys.
 
Improving my touch-typing (which I've done shockingly recently, considering how long I've been using keyboards for) certainly has taught me I needed to move my hands more. QWERTY-layout parens (and other programming-related glyphs) are a blessing compared to AZERTY-layout parens though!
@sehe I can see how that would help. I had piano lessons a long time ago and I can see (and feel) the similarity in the postures.
 
I trained myself to touchtype more a few months back. It was quite an eye opener in that I spotted a few suboptimal habits, but I don't profit from actually adopting the 'standard touchtyping positions'
 
You have to look at the keyboard to type?
 
12:22 AM
@Rapptz Who?
 
Both of you?
 
Nope - both of us.
 
So by improving do you guys mean your words per minute?
 
Assuming a non-piano keyboard that is!
 
I was merely referring to the endorsed home row/fingering layouts used in training courses. I don't follow them
@Rapptz Error rate, for me.
@LucDanton lol
 
12:23 AM
An error is a penalty in your words/minute.
Home row is outdated, imo. Not the most efficient way of typing.
 
@Rapptz That, aside from the mental penalty. It takes 'brain power' to spot and correct. That is the main cost for me
 
I only watched my wpm rise a bit when learning touch typing to see make sure I was really improving. Never compared to my previous ad-hoc habits -- I quit those habits cold turkey.
 
Sometimes it can be the keyboard's fault.
 
@Rapptz I've come to the same conclusion. I have a 'home position' of sorts, but it's not the canonical one. It's organically grown.
 
Such as a key not responding or something. I heard a mechanical keyboard improves that though.
 
12:25 AM
@Rapptz "it"?
 
I think it'd be my third time explaining it.
 
@Rapptz A link will do
 
First line of wikipedia article.
"It" is a third-person, singular neuter pronoun (nominative (subjective) case and oblique (objective) case) in Modern English. Usage The word and term 'it' can be used for either a subject or an object in a sentence and can describe any physical or psychological subject and / or object. In English, words such as it and its genitive form its have been used to refer to human babies and animals, although with the passage of time this usage has come to be considered too impersonal in the case of babies, as it may be thought to demean a conscious being to the status of a mere object. This...
 
Clunk-click every trip.
 
it refers to the subject of errors.
 
12:27 AM
@MartinJames How poetic
@Rapptz Great. :(
Apparently I've always selected good keyboards. My (PC) keyboards never give me any problems
 
Pist - bed.
 
Some people (like me, admittedly) tend to get dirt under their keyboard and have to clean them every once in a while.
 
Why do porn sites have a share to Google+ option? I don't want my friends knowing I use Google+
^ lol
@MartinJames You pissed your bed?
@Rapptz I turn it over and blow dust out every now and then. Works a treat for me. Have had only ~3 keyboards in ~16 years
 
Ah, I meant laptop keyboards. Those are a bitch to clean.
 
So, vim vs emacs was mentioned, also touch typing. Now is the time for mechanical keyboard elitism.
 
12:31 AM
@Rapptz Indeed they are. And they tend to break. And yeah, I remember having annoying 'sticky' keys there. But I can generally avoid laptops
@LucDanton Hey, don't forget you already sneaked in Dvorak snobism :)
 
No I didn't!
 
QWERTY master race?
 
Oh right. AZERTY. Well, that's...
That was pretty meta of me to sneak in Colemak snobism without actually mentioning it !
Oh. The coffin arrives
 
I've mentioned some of the ills of the French layout already. Still, it bears repeating that you need to shift to get the numbers. Figure out for yourself how convenient that is for programming.
 
Keyboards suck for programming
 
12:35 AM
Ah, proponent of an actual braindump interface I take it?
 
Would macro keyboards help during programming?
Though some IDEs incorporate that idea already.
 
@LucDanton Nope. Proponent of realism and patience
@Rapptz I generally dislike macros. That is: non-standard ones. I feel everything should be automated but only generic stuff. Not a host of personal faves. Those tend to skew your programming habits and also cripple when you need to use another workstation
 
Yeah I don't use them.
 
I love general completion options in Vim. I love ReSharper navigation/selection/refactoring keybindings
But I hate code templates, snippets, abbreviations and/or aliases. In general
 
I enjoy typing out my code since it gives me a metal track of what I've done.
If I use a template I feel slightly lost for some reason.
 
12:41 AM
I did make use of completion for my Haskell thingy earlier. That felt new!
 
@LucDanton Really? I assume in Vim?
 
Ya.
 
@Rapptz That'd depend on habit. But I recognize that felling
 
@sehe Well, turned my compuker on anyway. Took a while to actually look at anything though.
 
I've never set up working autocompletion for C++. It doesn't work right out of the box, does it?
 
12:44 AM
@LucDanton Well, this afternoon I typed a fairy tale (with my daughter dictating one sitting on my lap). At one point she did ask how I could type 'Doornroosje' (Sleeping Beauty) so quickly the second/third... time around.
@LucDanton Nah. I don't have 'intellisense'. Just completion works a treat. I do set complete-=i though, so I do e.g. BOOST_SPIRIT_PHOEN<C-x><C-i> to explicitely search includes for completion options
It's always those pesky macro thingies that elude my memory
 
lol, complete with i appears to be hilarious. Not in a good way.
 
@JerryCoffin How's that. Are you not feeling well?
@LucDanton Dog slow. Also, indiscriminate. So: yeah, disabling is a good option.
 
@sehe No, feeling fine. Was holding baby, and the computer turned on (it was just sleeping) when he kicked the keyboard drawer. He's now asleep, and I'm free to get online.
 
clang omnicompletion appears to be the bomb. I don't have much of a need, apparently, since I have still not found the motivation to configure it (back to point #1 again)
@JerryCoffin :) Let's see, 4 months now? Maybe 3?
 
I have to wait until Clang can deal with my code for that lol. Brief testings did suggest that it is, in fact, the bomb.
 
12:49 AM
@JerryCoffin Also, 'compuker' was a nice pun
 
@sehe Will be three months on Friday.
@sehe Thanks. I was starting to wonder if anybody noticed my brilliant creativity at all. :-)
 
O hey. Still a milestone, at that stage. Everything coming along?
I should be getting to sleep, really. 2:51am again.
 
Is this common? I printed a file after the preprocessor, and it gave me a 4mb cpp file with 250k lines.
 
@sehe Yeah, he seems to be doing pretty well. Eats, sleeps, poops, and goes back to sleep. Starting to show signs of recognizing people, and even smiling a bit when we play with him, so he's at least a little smarter than his dad anyway.
 
@Nican Perfectly normal.
 
12:53 AM
@sehe It still spends a lot of time 'Scanning included file'. I'm about to go look things up in the help but just in case, do you have more tweaks for complete?
 
Thanks.
 
@JerryCoffin hehe
 
@sehe Anyway, good night (or perhaps "good really early morning").
@Nican Yup -- and if you check, you'll probably find that at least half those lines are blank.
 
Correct. I am guessing that all the #ifdef.
Makes sense, otherwise it would give wrong line numbers..
 
@LucDanton Nope, not that I'm aware of. I use roughly this:
filetype plugin on
filetype indent on
syntax on
behave xterm
colors koehler
se ar aw ts=4 sw=4 et dip=filler,iwhite scrolloff=2 modeline showcmd mouse=a nu complete-=i path=.,~/custom/boost/,/usr
@JerryCoffin Night for me. It is - sadly? - usual for me to go to bed ~3am
 
12:58 AM
Same here.
 
@Rapptz The vimrc or the bedtimes >)
 
bedtimes.
 
figures
 
Sometimes later.
 
1:00 AM
@sehe The help is being very helpful, as usual. No worries.
 
@sehe Ah -- I usually try to sleep by 0230 at the latest. For some reason, 4 hours of sleep seems much closer to enough than even 3.5 hours (and, in fact, I often seem better off with 4 hours than, say, 5).
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Did you try to make that unreadable, or has pastebin decided they hate their users and want to make them gouge out their eyes?
 
That's because sleep is dependant on your sleep cycle and which one you interrupt. A typical sleep cycle is about ~90 minutes and you try to get as many "complete" cycles as you can.
 
@JerryCoffin i could only find it as plain text
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf The plain text is fine. The bright white in coal black is a bit different story...
 
The dropdown menu on the side switches the colour scheme.
 
1:03 AM
oh. you can select the theme in the drop down list upper right
 
@JerryCoffin Change the theme in the top-right corner (twilight)
 
@sehe Ah, thank you. Maybe I'm just picky, but going through their entire list, it seems to run the gamut from bad to worse to truly heinous...
 
@JerryCoffin <C-a><C-c>(launch favourite editor/viewer)(paste), PROFIT
 
@sehe Seems to be about the only way -- but then, I guess that's pretty much the point of pastebin anyway.
 
1:10 AM
@JerryCoffin the sharing. It made the hop from Alf to you
 
Paste is Ctrl + V :(
I found it weird you didn't write that as a shortcut like you did with Select All and Copy
 
@Rapptz The thing is, it might be right-mouse click, or "+P or even xclip -o > /tmp/paste.txt :)
IME ^A^C is cross browser
 
Anyone know a reliable forum where I could ask for a wireless router suggestion?
I tried tomshardware but so far I got 27 views and no answer
 
What are you looking for?
 
a wireless router
 
1:16 AM
The sage has spoken :-P
 
> Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. - here
@Rapptz ^ pretty win
 
^ I thought it was low-key fun in a way, but where (here) did it come from and what is it.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf GTFO
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf My eyes... ow my eyes.... they're burning
 
huh?
don't like music?
 
1:18 AM
hahaha. Super Troll
 
Wow that was..
 
@sehe Isn't it "Devil's advocate"?
 
@Borgleader Zing. Click link. Profit
 
There are a lot of errors lol doggy dog world
 
> Its also: "intents and purposes", "Dime a dozen," "Blessing in disguise", "Prima Dona", "(taken for) Granted", "Mustur", "dog-eat-dog" and probably a few more.
 
1:20 AM
@Borgleader "Devils advocate", "Dime a dozen", ""pedestal", etc. -- so much broken it must be intentional.
 
^^ he missed pedestal (more...)?
 
petal stool lol
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah I hadn't read the entire text
 
The troll must have watch one too many "bad lip reads" on youtube
 
Popular copypasta. 6,500 results on google.
 
1:23 AM
zerg rush... so awsome...
xD
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12994092/printing-out-hex
This is such a dupe
 
find the dupe
 
@Rapptz Reminds me of when I was a senior in high school. A friend had recently changed the tire on his motorcycle and was bragging about how much more traction it had. The next Monday, they'd apparently waxed the floors over the weekend, so they were all extremely slick. Without thinking, I said something about it keeping traction on that floor. In the middle of English class that afternoon we were all jolted awake by the sound of a 750cc Honda going by in the hallway!
 
I was actually amazed how well driven they were in the video. I feel as if it were most people they would have crashed somewhere and probably hurt someone.
 
@Rapptz really? Can you spell irresponsible. That was not control. That was nervy luck
 
1:26 AM
I would but you already spelled it for me.
 
I don't think I could have spelled irresponsible
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/673240/how-do-i-print-an-unsigned-char-as-hex-in-c-using-ostream
Seems like a dupe of this to me
 
@Borgleader flag it/comment etc
 
@Rapptz flagging as dupe auto-comments
 
I had to do it manually earlier today.. I think. I probably didn't notice.
 
1:29 AM
@sehe Unless you've commented already because I don't have 2 comments
 
Those answers seem to be a little over the OP's head
 
@Borgleader Given that he's dealing with a string, this might be closer.
 
@JerryCoffin Well char to hex is the same, string or not. But I've already flagged it -.-;
Also, the one I linked to was the first suggestion when I flagged it
 
hi folks - i have a, i guess a simple question with C array sizes and passing by reference
is this the correct place to ask this question?
 
@Borgleader Ah, I hadn't noticed that. That seems like reasonable grounds for a downvote -- not only failed to do research, but failed to even open his eyes and look at what was suggested...
 
1:37 AM
Oct 9 at 11:36, by Xeo
If you're new here, read The Rules™ or expect to get treated appropriately.
@angadsg Though typically, if someone is interested they'd help. Otherwise you should ask or research on SO proper.
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12994092/printing-out-hex#comment17627703_12994108
Hahahaha
C++ has issues xD
 
@Rapptz thanks for that
i did research on SO main, but lemme dig in there once more
if i cant find anything, then i will get back here
 
Could ask on SO and get rep (Assuming it's a good question).
 
And give rep by accepting answer :)
 
You also get rep for accepting.
 
1:41 AM
i found something - and turns out its a good but rather simple question - and i should have thought of it before
 
And this is why I hate C
You can't just pass arrays around, you need to pass their size too
 
Wow that guy edited it 13 times yet his original answer is almost the same exact thing.
 
(amongst a bunch of other things)
@Rapptz he's a purrfectionist
 
@Rapptz Nvm he's just retarded
 
1:44 AM
lol
Edit #4 is the best.
 
Hahaha I hadn't read all the way down. That's just great xD
 
@Borgleader prasoon is probably quite a bit smarter than you two. also, he used to have about double the rep.
 
I'm not going to feed the troll, just know that I think your assertion is bad.
 
@Rapptz you're not thinking, you're asserting. i'm not asserting, i'm telling. in short, you got it all wrong - again
 
@Rapptz I do remember seeing some solid stuff by that user - I think. That edit is ludicrous of course. But the two aren't mutually exclusive
 
1:52 AM
@sehe I just think it's funny that it's edited a lot of time in the sense of perfectionism. I didn't judge his character like @Alf seems to think I did.
 
@sehe He has a lot of rep so I assume he knows his stuff pretty well, but nonetheless those edits are retarded
 
Next time ask. I don't think you got what Alf meant.
@Borgleader Like I said, I'm inclined to concur.
 
@sehe Why would I ask when he's being condescending and presuming our intelligence?
 
@Rapptz Why would you then care what he said? You're obviously responding to Alf, albeit indirectly
 
I'm responding to you. Though the previous statement about me judging his character stems from your previous statement that implied slightly that I did as well.
 
1:55 AM
@Rapptz I noticed. Did you notice I responded with a similar rhetorical question?
@Rapptz "implied", "seems to think", "slightly", "stems" blah blah fuzz. You could ask.
 
Can't say I care.
 
I was just lending my support to the motion by Alf, since "Nvm he's just retarded" has been said (no matter by whom) and IMO that required a bit of balancing.
Now, since you immediately put Alf down as the "troll", I "randomly" picked that message to reply to
Now if you have an issue with what Alf said (I can imagine), don't blame me. I didn't say it
 
Draaaama.
 
i think i'm going to make some tea maybe
 
2:01 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Hi :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Good morning
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Reminds me of a certain tune
 
It's 22:00 here.
 
4am now
 
I'm inclined to concur with @EtiennedeMartel, it's 22:00
 
Again, not mutually exclusive
 
2:02 AM
UTC - 5, though.
 
Whoo EST?
 
CEST :)
C'EST incroyable
 
lmao
 
1 hour ago, by sehe
I should be getting to sleep, really. 2:51am again.
So, night all
 
2:04 AM
^ Correct time in lower right corner.
 
@sehe Har har har.
 
Snore snore snore
 
I wonder if someone could fake a screenshot with the screenshot showing itself one-boxed in the chat.
 
Well obviously. What would surprise me, though, is when anyone would be that bored
 
^ My niece out kayaking with the dolphins earlier this week (pics)
 
2:20 AM
Like this?
Notice how the thumbnail in the chat screenshot has your taskbar, but the actual thumbnail has mine :)
Thumbnailception
 
No he meant someone edit his SS to make it seem like he posted the SS beforehand in a paradoxical manner.
 
Oh I see
That's more work
 
@Borgleader is that the beta of vs 2012 or did you fix the icon or something?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf No that's VS2010
 
2:24 AM
i did keep the beta icons but i haven't got around to replacing, or even fixing the uppercase menus
oh
 
I have the RC of VS2012 but it's not in my taskbar
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf haha, I think the RC icons were okay. The RTM ones kind of flipped the color scheme of the icon though...so I replaced them with the RC icon
 
I keep VS2012 in the start menu..
 
@Rapptz You still use Xfire? (I'm not judging, just surprised)
 
Yep. It's been like 7 years, don't see why I should stop.
 
2:29 AM
I used to use it for in game chat, but nowadays most of my PC games are on steam, or they have their own in game chat
so I don't really need to
 
Ewww the RTM icon sucks
 
yup
 
@Borgleader Yeah that was the reason why I mainly used it. I still prefer the xfire UI to Steam's in game UI though.. Maybe cause I'm used to it. Plus xfire allows me to connect to MSN which I can't with Steam.
 
Mhmmm I mostly use Skype nowadays
 
2:31 AM
I use Skype only on my phone.
 
I use skype, msn, icq, and irc sometimes
 
My mIRC setup opens around 8 channels on startup xD
 
Damn. ICQ?
And I thought MSN was old and abandoned.
 
I consider ICQ to be antiquated, same thing for AIM tbh.
 
...so what if it's antiquated
it's a chat protocol. where's the difference :)
 
2:35 AM
By antiquated I meant relic of the past, old and abandoned. Like Rapptz said
 
Don't think it matters how old it is as long as it's still supported and other people you know use it.
 
irc is not going to go away
 
That's kind of what's sad about the internet. Things move so fast you can easily lose contact with others.
 
however, usenet is pretty dead
talking about old protocols, that is
 
@Rapptz ....how so
just don't use any of that newfangled crap in the first place :p
myspace, facebook, google+, tumblr, reddit...bah, humbug!
 
2:38 AM
@melak47 Eh? Think about it, it's pretty obvious. You go into a forum and you can participate there for a long time but it'll obviously go down at some point in its time.
Some manage to stay for long but most don't.
 
that's where multiple chat protocols that are old and not going away come in handy :)
 
Another forum I regularly go to has been up for around 12 years
 
I googled my old screen names a while ago and I found some old forums still alive.
 
I sometimes end up reading really old posts of mine, and I don't have a clue what I was talking about...
 
2:44 AM
Luckily my typing back then wasn't horrible, other than the constant use of a 2/3 ellipsis.
 
I used to be into this show when I was in high school: purepwnage.com
I havent been there in a long ass time and I'm still in the top 100 posters of the forum (#80 or so) xD
 
2:59 AM
@Borgleader I used to post on the Fidonet C_ECHO.
 
@JerryCoffin That doesn't look like any website I've been to before...
 
@Borgleader It's not. It's a web site archive of what was, at the time, an entirely separate network that ran along the same lines as Usenet, but was completely private (at least to start with, Usenet was mostly universities).
 
Oh I see. Never used/been part of Usenet
 
@Borgleader Think of a completely distributed version of SO -- instead of a web site connecting to a server that had all the questions/answers, each site got its own copy of the messages in the newsgroups (tags, roughly) it cared about. Then you'd compose replies and send them off in a group.
 
Does anyone have a Windows Store Developer account by any chance here?
?
 
3:15 AM
Not me.
 
Not I
 
> required from 'struct boost::result_of<const<lambda(const int&)>(int&)>'
wtf GCC, const<foo>??
 
3:36 AM
I keep putting semicolons in my Lua code
 
3:52 AM
You also have to forget to put parenthesis on the if statements. Also, do not forget
if blahblah then
--Something
return end
 
if the constructor of an object throws an exception, is the destructor executed?
 
no
 
thank you
 
But of all the subclasses, it will.
 
if the subclasses aren't initialized then they won't destruct
 
3:54 AM
Oh-
 
Don't have to return end
but yeah I get what you mean.
 
12
A: Will the destructor of the base class called if an object throws an exception in the constructor?

FredOverflowIf an exception is thrown during construction, all previously constructed sub-objects will be properly destroyed. The following program proves that the base is definitely destroyed: struct Base { ~Base() { std::cout << "destroying base\n"; } }; struct Derived : Base { ...

 

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