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10:00 PM
If I was honest
Then I probably would use VS Express
But I'm not
 
@JohnKaul Students get VS for free :)
 
@DeadMG I'm a student, just at secondary school, so no free stuff for me
 
that sucks
 
@DeadMG Do i get it for free if you teach me?
 
I can't really afford it
at all
 
10:03 PM
You have to be enrolled into affiliated academic institutions for the Ultimate edition
but for Professional, I believe it is, any academic e-mail address will do
 
@DeadMG I'm in the UK so we don't have .edu addresses
 
so am I
you can still get there
 
In fact, my school doesn't use .sch.uk
We use google apps with the abbreviation of the school ****live.com
So yeah
 
sbi
@JohnKaul Several versions of VS, limited to one language, are available as free "Express" versions. For example, there's "Visual C++ Express".
 
@Kian: The list at Dreamspark includes various primary schools
you could see if your school is on the list
 
10:06 PM
There's such a ridiculously large amount of Personally Identifiable Information about me on the internet
 
Would KDevelop work good 'nuff (not really that great of a PC at home)?
 
I checked it before, and my school wasn't on there - does the school have to pay
I'm sort of like 1 of 2 developers at my school
 
not for Dreamspark, I believe
MSDNAA, I'm pretty sure you do have to pay
did you try activating through your address?
 
my university email address isn't exactly .ac.uk either
but Dreamspark still accepted it
that was before our university told me I could use MSDNAA and get the Ultimate edition for free
 
10:08 PM
But at the moment, I haven't done any Windows development for like a year, and the last thing I did, I completely deleted it because I decided it was too badly designed
So maybe when I start Windows development again I'll check it out
 
lol
 
I know :L
I started setting up a PC repair company back in november
 
I don't think I've ever deleted code because it was too badly designed
yeah, I saw the link in your profile
 
and it hasn't really got anywhere, seeing as I've got no advertising
 
hence, I also determined that there were no schools in the listed location
try the local paper
the other thing that you might try is online
by the way, since you link to it from your profile, I assume you don't mind if I post the location here?
 
10:11 PM
But having to set up the website brought me into PHP, HTML, CSS, and all that business and I just learnt that real quick with my background
Sure I don't mind
 
well, just google "PC repair paignton"
 
People could easily find me with the stuff I put out there from a google search
 
you're nowhere on the list
most if it is just generic forwarding search from another site
 
I know - it's really annoying
 
you should look into something called Search Engine Optimization, or SEO
 
10:12 PM
But I am when you type in virus removal paignton
I've basically done all I can except external stuff
When you type in just WinFix
I'm normally within 3 pages
 
hey, you're not far from Dartington
 
That's right - know anyone there?
 
I used to have relatives nearby
I've been there a couple times
my family currently live just across the pond near Weymouth
 
Oh right, wow!
Small world
There will be a short network wide outage starting on 8/6 19:00 UTC for system maintenance
^ HOW WILL WE ALL COPE!
 
I'll just play Starcraft 2 or something
there's my university
 
10:21 PM
So, do you think that Adwords would get me customers - or should I try something more local
 
satellite's a bit out of date though
 
Hmm?
 
well, the main thing I'd do is look at the cost
if Adwords is gonna be five quid, then if it doesn't get you any customers what's the big harm?
 
But I literally have 0 income
Apart from £15 that I'm getting from hacking this guy's Wii
 
hmm
 
10:23 PM
and then I wanted to spend that on buying stuff for my Arduino based door lock
 
well, as always, we're talking about cost-benefit here, if you don't know the cost then you can't evaluate what benefit you're looking for
 
What do you mean?
 
well
if you don't know how much Adwords costs, then how could you even begin to think about whether or not it would be worth it?
 
Oh :L When you said about the fiver stuff, I thought you were actually referring to the fact that there's a £5 one time setup fee
and that's all that I would have to pay
Then I could find one of the many free adwords voucher
 
Liunx is messy! ...piece of crap. I wanna go back to BSD.
 
10:28 PM
no, I was throwing out an example cost
 
Oh, it's £4
*£5
 
if you want to think about getting an ad in the paper or adwords or anything, then the first thing you must know is how much it'll cost
 
@JohnKaul I remember trying Linux; I was young and didn't know much and I'm sticking with Windows now ;L
@DeadMG Yeah, I see what you mean
 
the only thing I know for sure about Linux was that it has a truly hideous interface
I'd rather emulate Linux on Windows
 
Maybe it would be easier if I just approached a pre-existing PC Repair company and offered to do work for them - how successful that would be I don't know
 
10:31 PM
@KianMayne I have to use Windows at work. I like Windows even worse.
 
if they're advertising, then go for it
by the way, I really like your website
 
Thank you (: I designed and wrote it all by myself
Sorta :L
It started off being a dreamweaver 2 column template, but I think I ended changing every single component
 
I wasn't necessarily talking about that
the logo at the top, you surely didn't get that from Dreamweaver
and the little power icons on the menu
 
Oh no :L
Oh yeah the menu was completely me
Except the lower part of the background
Just I used my photoshop skills with the logo at the top which is adapted from a letterhead and a logo that I'm licenced by vistaprint
Basically, there is no way that I could copyright that logo, because it's not original
 
lol
 
10:36 PM
But I'm allowed to use it on the grounds that I bought advertising material to represent my company based on templates supplied by vistaprint.co.uk
In my head anyway ;)
It's cool, because I basically managed to set up a business (minus advertising) completely, literally for free
 
that would be nice
 
Like the domain was free on the government + other companies GBBO scheme
Getting British Businesses Online
 
if I finish the language I'm writing, I might try flogging it
 
and then I used to have free hosting, but then that started to be unreliable so this guy I knew offered me free hosting on his paid for server, then free DNS hosting from afraid.org
You're writing a language?!
 
yes
 
10:39 PM
Like, a whole programming language?
 
like C++ but much more powerful :D
I'm finishing up the parser right now
 
Woah! Was it you writing the lexer? I can't remember..was that part of it?
 
yes!
that was a couple weeks ago
now I'm finishing up the parser
 
That sounds awesome
 
it is
and if I finish, then I believe I will have the most powerful language that isn't interpreted at run-time
 
10:41 PM
Wait wait wait - you're in university - are you doing it on top of your studies?
 
and possibly even more powerful than some that are
yes
 
Crazy guy
 
although, arguably, since I'm failing my studies quite miserably, you could say that it's on top of
oh yes
this course is totally not for me, but there's really no other choice if I want to gain employment
 
What are you doing?
 
Speaking of languages, have you seen this: zimbu.org
 
10:43 PM
Computer Science
my university's CompSci course consists of learn theory, recite theory in examination
it's pathetic
if you want to be assured that your students know Bayesian Belief Networks, you should make them write a Bayesian Belief Network
 
Oh dear
That's why I wanna go to MIT
 
well
I could have ended up somewhere better but
honestly, I had the same problem with my A levels and failed them quite miserably
 
I know it would be near impossible to get in - like 150 students out of 3000 get in
 
you should see my results
six modules, AAAA CD kind of thing
 
Awh man
That's not bad at all!
 
10:46 PM
it's horrendous
didn't get into Bristol, where I wanted to go
now I'm stuck here and I hate it
 
I'm only starting my GCSEs next year - I wish I could stay this age and not have the pressure of exams for a while
 
I don't have a problem with exam pressure
I have a problem in that reciting theory in exams is not me
basically, I used to be a complete examination machine, put anything in and I can bring it back out no problem, I had a practically photographic memory of anything I was paying significant attention to
 
I was reading about how at MIT, instead of learning 100% theory, you will learn a more condensed version of the theory and then talk more about how that theory is useful in doing a certain thing
 
but, unfortunately, in about January of 2009 I realized that I was actually a pretty decent programmer (considering my relative age and experience) and I really, really liked making programs
at which point I promptly lost absolutely all taste for learn-regurgitate-forget cycles
 
Haha
I thought computer science was largely programming?
 
10:49 PM
hah
good luck
that's for them practical types, they're a lower species than us computer scientists
we like to circle-jerk about how theoretical we are and then ask our students to just regurgitate that theory in exams
 
I was taught SICP from a retired CS professor (he taught several of us) and it was absolutely the best thing i ever did .
 
some of the more basic stuff like OOP, I managed to actually write a program and gain credit
I got a whopping 87% in my OOP module
but the regurgitate-the-theory modules, I just can hardly bring myself to attend the lectures or examinations
 
:L What is the theory about?
 
right now, I am (resitting)
AI methods, I passed the exam on Bayesian Belief Networks despite knowing nothing about them, and going to have to repeat my PROLOG coursework
oh yes, that's another thing
holy shit, language bingo
 
Language bingo?
 
10:52 PM
I've done append-to-a-list in Javascript, Java, C++, Bash, SQL, PHP, PROLOG, Haskell, HTML, C#
of course, none of them are covered to any significant depth
no, I don't want to append to a fucking list again, I already understand appending to a list
 
that sucks!
 
and I can't make anything new by doing append-to-a-list, PROLOG style
instead of append-to-a-list C++ style
 
Thats a pretty broad subject.
 
PROLOG and I really don't get along
 
So - I'm guessing I should make the most of teaching myself as fast as a I can then :P
 
10:54 PM
but don't get me started
ah, I wouldn't do that
then you won't be able to cope with being taught by others
because it's so incredibly hideous
 
I think it's a bit too late
 
why?
 
I already could write a lot of things in C++, VB, C#, PHP, Javascript, MYSQL
 
Today I realized that implementing optional<T> is a lot more difficult than shared_ptr<T>.
 
and I have no real desire to learn other things
 
10:56 PM
well, for me, the fundamental problem is that when you start with PROLOG, the only thing you can realistically do is print the output in a REPL loop
hardly the definition of "magic"
 
By I could write a lot of things, it would be the sort of writing where I look up things and learn what I don't know
 
yeah
 
I'd never ever heard of it before you mentioned it
 
for my OOP module, I used the Java reflection API, which we were definitely not taught
and I'd never used it before
 
Is it even used in the real world
 
10:57 PM
heard of what, PROLOG?
 
^ Prolog that is
Yeah
 
not as far as I know
basically, PROLOG is "Logically prove the result".
and by logic, I mean, "Append to a list" does not naturally convert into boolean logic
especially when the interpreter proves it itself and all you do is define a few rules
I find it hideously difficult to control
when I program a machine, I expect the machine to do what I say, when I say it, not try to prove my program's result or anything like that
 
That sounds mental :L
 
yes
add to that the fun things like: dynamic typing, and implicit variable declarations, and only out parameters, and it's practically impossible to get a grip on what a PROLOG program actually does.
 
Is AI pretty much in all CompSci courses?
Dynamic Typing?
 
11:01 PM
yes, I expect it would be
dynamic typing is a paradigm where you don't know what a variable actually is until you try to do something with it
which is tremendously unreliable, slow, and unhelpful
 
c ya guys. Gotta go.
 
Bye John
Sleep well or whatever
 
bb
 
nope dinner.
 
When would that possibly be of any use ever?
Oh right
 
11:02 PM
have a good weekend if i dont see ya.
 
Eat well then :L
I don't even know what day it is anymore
 
@KianMayne It's not, basically.
it just serves to make everything horrifically confusing
 
So, do you actually learn anything that would be useful
 
no
 
No?
 
11:04 PM
basically, no
we've done a few useful things like requirements analysis
 
Or is it like We'll teach you something that isn't what you will use to make sure you understand how it works put you won't be able to but it into an actual context because we haven't taught you how
 
We'll teach you the theory of something you'll never use and we'll certainly never ask you to demonstrate you can use it or show you how to use it and after the exam is done you can forget it and you'll be better off
 
Oh crap - I'm definitely going to enjoy my further education :|
:L
 
I was looking forward to it
see, it turns out that in reality, what I'm talking about is "Software engineering"
where they teach you things like, how to write a program that isn't an unmaintainable mess
but compsci is all about theoretical circle-jerking
and my university does not offer a SE course
 
But..I can do that already
 
11:08 PM
so can I
 
My code has always been really maintainable :L I've found bugs quick (in most cases anyway)
 
but if I want a programming job, they want a Bachelors
 
Aaarggh
 
and that's that
 
Yeah, where do you wanna work when you're done
 
11:08 PM
honestly? I was just gonna look around
Microsoft have a good employee pitch
 
Oh right
I wanna work at Facebook
 
lol
 
Not sure why
 
PHP is a crappy language, I'd never want to work in it
 
Well, free food
 
11:10 PM
Google has that master chef
 
Really? I found that I really like it, but at the same time, I've hardly got massively into it
Unlimited Sick Days?
 
what about unlimited sick days?
if you're sick, you've got bigger problems
 
You get them at Facebook
Hackathons? - You get to work through the night on whatever facebook thing you want
Free energy drinks
On the hackathon
 
I'd rather not work through the night
I'd rather go home and have sex with a theoretical wife
 
Ahh, I would love working through the night
This is before I get married
 
11:12 PM
you can do that any time you want
 
I plan to be like 25 when I work for them
 
I'd rather be with someone by 25
 
It's weird, I can't really imagine life without someone else
But these hackathon aren't every day
 
used to be that I can't imagine life with someone else
then I got a girlfriend for a fair time, and now
 
Why?
Yeah
 
11:14 PM
well, it's much more readily apparent to me that I'm basically fucking insane and the probability of ending up with someone that I'd want is miniscule
 
I doubt that! You sound like a great guy
 
being great and being fucking insane are not mutually exclusive
 
Insane?
 
most of the people that I know, if I begin to speak apart from the most basic kind of thing, then nobody gets it
 
What's your definition of insane?
 
11:16 PM
it's like I speak French or something
 
Oh right
I get that
 
I don't know any real people that are actually even remotely like me
 
All the time
 
plus, I hate being with large groups of people
like, more than three or four
 
Like I said earlier - I'm one out of the 2 people at my school who do anything really technical
 
11:18 PM
yeah
maybe if I grab a professional job, then I might find other people more like me
 
That's one of the reasons that I joined this site
 
me too
 
You can actually talk about stuff that most people just have never heard of
 
and it's worked out, at least somewhat, although I'm still decidedly on the less sane side
 
Hahaha
There's people older than me (my sisters friend he's like 19/20)
and I can sort of talk to him about computers
But
I get the idea that his experience either lies with just being good with Linux and just a guy who's computer literal and his field doesn't apply to mine
 
11:21 PM
but . . Its not too interesting right?
 
using a machine and developing for a machine are two decidedly distinct skills
2
they reside in the same environment, but still very distinct
 
+1
 
Yeah, I never really thought about it before, but yeah, I completely agree
 
my brother is very computer-literate
but as soon as I speak to him about even something as surface-evident as platform portability of code, his eyes glaze over
 
Hahaha come to think of it, I've never really talked to a proper dev face to face
 
11:23 PM
me neither
 
and before I joined here, not at all
 
SO is the closest you can get to speaking to an actual person who like, actually writes code for a living
although I did meet some random other friend who does Java for a living in Hungary
 
Nice
The closest I've come was in primary school, when I was good friends with the IT technician, I was learning VB and stuff then, while she was teaching me how to fix computers
There's not been a time in my life that I can remember when I haven't had access to a computer
 
our family got a computer when I was three years old
my father taught me to write simple programs in it
 
One of my earliest memories it playing with this block building game on some crappy Windows 95 computer
 
11:26 PM
all I could do was print an insult to the screen if you identified yourself as a sibling
 
Yeah, I was three when I was doing the block building
That's brilliant!
At 3!
 
lol
for a three-year-old, it's inspired :P
 
Hell yes, I wish I had that skill when I was 3
 
I grabbed a BASIC dialect at about 14
 
But we didn't have a computer at home for wquite a while
 
11:28 PM
but BASIC has implicit-int and I fell right down when I tried to use a function that took another datatype
 
I remember the first time when I started programming
You know Flash has actionscript
 
yeah
 
Flash MX writing little animations with buttons and things, but I always wanted to write windows programs
(I was just 8 at the time)
So I got Beginning Programming for Dummies :')
 
lol
 
I was a bit disappointed because it was just command line stuff - QBASIC
 
11:29 PM
QBASIC was what I had
at three
 
I am absolutely in love with the For Dummies series
 
never read any
 
There was this game someone had written where you were a monkey and you threw bananas at the other monkey
 
instead, I just grabbed a language For Dummies, Lua
 
You should get in love with Deitel's work instead
 
11:31 PM
I bought an RTS called Supreme Commander
fun game, if you had some strong hardware and a good router and a taste for a certain style of gameplay, and certainly unique
but it had a lot of gameplay logic written in Lua, which is an interpreted script language
and I played with it for a while
 
Cool
 
then I became an expert on it
and then I realized that I could do a better job than most of the pre-provided scripts and could fix bugs in the scripting layer of the game and that sort of thing
 
Does having an early start help when you're a programmer
 
and that's when I decided that I was a genius and to start learning C++
 
Hahaha nice
 
11:32 PM
I don't know
 
I was a bit young at 9 when I got my first computer
 
there's a lot of research about who can program, and who can't
 
But how do you become a good programmer in a country where there's no electricity, and partial internet?
 
So I looked at C(#,++,-) etc and got scared and went for Visual Basic
 
basically, programming courses have massive failure rates, pretty much regardless of the material or how it's presented
and nobody is really sure why
 
11:33 PM
Weird
 
effectively, as far as anyone knows, you go to a programming course already knowing to program, in the most fundamental level, or you can never learn to program
in the general case, there are obviously exclusions
and being able to solve even the simplest programming challenges proves that you can program and can be taught to program
 
Yeah - good, that means I should do OK
I joined TopCoder a while back and did some of their Highschool tings
 
@KianMayne What lang do you code in?
 
*things
Like this speed camera program
@Mobinga I know a few, but at the moment I'm mainly doing PHP work for my website; I haven't written any Windows things for a while
and it took a while for my other work that I was doing, so when I was like 12/13 I could actually begin to understand C-based lanaguages
My stepdad said that I should try and come up with an original idea to program and try and sell
 
Did you?
 
11:38 PM
That was yesterday :L So I haven't thought of anything yet
 
How bout a desktop twitter client?
:D
 
The code I was taking about earlier @DeadMG, was this homework management program that helped students organise their homework and eliminate distractions
 
lol
 
But when I revisited it about a month ago when I was deleting stuff
I was a bit better educated, and realised that, even without the bugs that were in it, the program needed a better interface than I had designed to even be remotely marketable
@Mobinga Aren't there already loads of them?
 
There're already loads of everything.
You just have to make yours stand out
 
11:43 PM
But I don't even use Twitter - and i'm not exactly a great one for originality
 

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