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12:08 AM
"token" may carry more information, like, token-kind
i guess nobody can guess what that is
 
Looks like bull's testicles, served with dumplings.
 
I would guess it's a vegetable soup
with chicken
Looks like there is some turnip in there
Why would you like to make chicken into small balls?
 
@ManofOneWay right
 
@AlfPSteinbach Did you cook it today? =)
 
@ManofOneWay It's not my work. I often make vegetable soup, but if I add meat then it's usually pieces of sausage, not chicken meatballs. It's very unplanned. :-)
 
12:25 AM
@AlfPSteinbach haha not your work? You mean it's your wife's job? =)
Or were you referring to the picture?
Actually I cheated and looked the dish up on VG ;(
 
@ManofOneWay he he, no. i meant i didn't make that bowl of soup, nor did i take the photograph. it's just a photo is stumbled upon
 
I would never have guessed that it was chicken meatballs!
@AlfPSteinbach btw, VG's website is reaaaally ugly
I thought Aftonbladet.se was ugly, but VG is even worse
 
12:46 AM
yes
 
> Sets the gamemode status according to an undocumented string. - from the manpage for glutGameModeString.
 
Here's someone asking for something that doesn't exist, with problems ranging from "all hell breaks loose" to "several messages of errors". Is anyone able to help the guy find his paths?
 
Oh, he really described the problems like that.
 
(new profile layout deployed on meta)
 
For a moment I thought that was a URL lengthener
 
1:18 AM
@KerrekSB He started blabbering about how he needs to do such and such, but we're still working with the "hell breaks loose" description of the problem. Sigh. I'll have to give up if he doesn't fix that.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Least well presented question...
 
1:36 AM
@KerrekSB heh
 
@AlfPSteinbach 'sup?
 
@Alf: he didn't mention singletons.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes His headers make no sense at all. <stdlib.h>?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes oh. i read between the lines then. too keen eyes...
@KerrekSB e.g. defines EXIT_SUCCESS and EXIT_FAILURE constants. but he's not using them or anything, AFAICS
 
I think that pimpl could be the answer to the question that isn't there, but it's really a shot in the dark.
 
1:41 AM
i edited my answer
 
Oh, I didn't even notice the using namespace std; in the header file.
 
It's not clear at all what he wants any of this for. For all I can tell, he just wants a bunch of functions in a common namespace.
 
The guy who spends all his time l00king at things: kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com
 
1:56 AM
I just found out now that this room has "owners". That explains the faded avatars!
 
The faded avatars are inactive users.
Owners are distinguished by having their names in italics.
 
Ohh.
Ahh!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Pertaining to your comment on that question, D has a pretty good module system. :D
Oh, and I posted my own answer:
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A: Making a Wrapper class for ActiveMQ

MaxpmFirst, let's consider what static class means in languages that support it. It is says that the class has no object-oriented value, and that it exists solely for organization. Because C++ doesn't have to shoehorn everything into the OO paradigm, it provides proper constructs to express this: na...

 
@Maxpm And a schizophrenic type system too.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The reference-type thing?
 
2:07 AM
Right.
I'm trying to push "schizophrenic typing" to describe that kind of thing :)
 
Yeah. I hate that. It's my biggest gripe with the language. I'd love to learn what the rationale for it was. I know Walter Bright is all about ease-of-implementation, but does it really help that much?
 
(I actually mean to use DID instead of schizophrenia, but "dissociative identity disorder typing" isn't as catchy.)
 
What's the problem with D? Isn't it designed by Alexandresu or something like that?
 
@KerrekSB For me, schizophrenic typing.
 
@KerrekSB It's a mix of C++ and Java. Like R. Martinho, I think it pulled a tad too much from the latter.
 
2:10 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes It's surprising that someone who's so clued up about C++ would get the design wrong in a big way...
 
Not like Java.
@Maxpm Java doesn't have user-defined value types.
It's like C#.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I've never used C#, so I wouldn't know.
 
@Maxpm What's the meaning of static inside a named namespace?
 
@KerrekSB I haven't a clue.
 
Why did you use it then?
 
2:12 AM
Yeah, why did you put it in then?
(But my question stands, I don't actually know.)
 
Also, he didn't mention singletons.
Come on, I hate singletons as much you guys do, but you don't have to bash them where they don't exist.
 
Is it just static linkage as in the global namespace?
 
I took the liberty of nuking that last irrelevant paragraph.
 
Maybe the global propensity for singletons is a signed quantity, though, so a bit of preemtive bashing might count for something.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes He did mention singletons.
 
2:14 AM
Good point, but I fear it may be too late for that.
 
Or, factories, which are basically singletons.
 
@Maxpm Where?
@Maxpm No.
Factories are a crutch for the lack of flexibility of constructors.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes My mistake on the static thing. No idea why I typed that.
 
Singletons have a totally different supposed use case.
 
Okay.
 
2:18 AM
Does anyone know a good resource where I can find out how to output a binary tree recursively? g++ hates how I do it right now.
 
A singleton is supposed to be used when it's wrong to create multiple instances of a class (I have no idea when that situation arises, though). Sadly, it gets a lot more use than that, and is instead used as a replacement for a global, or worse.
 
This guy's code "doesn't work well". Shame.
 
A factory can be used to work around the lack of language support for two-phase initialization, or to emulate "polymorphic" constructors.
 
@Joshua Ah, looks like your code too "doesn't work well".
 
Haha no quotes needed
 
2:21 AM
Factories can sometimes be abstracted to create coherent hierarchies of classes. In that way they can add a level of consistency which might not be possible otherwise.
 
@KerrekSB If I get what you mean right, that's what I meant by emulation of polymorphic constructors.
You're basically calling factory.create_foo() for the same reasons you'd call a constructor (you need a new object) but what constructor gets called is determined at runtime.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes This is from Alexandrescu's book: If you have several parallel inheritance hierarchies (e.g. A1:A, A2:A, A3:A`; B1:B, B2:B, B3:B, but you only ever want to construct either A1/B1, or A2/B2, or A3/B3, then that's hard to specify within A and B themselves.
So an abstract AB-factory can do the trick.
 
Right, that's what I mean. If the language allowed you to write B* b = new B(); and have it somehow create a B1 instead (no idea how that would look :), you wouldn't need factories.
 
So the abstract factory has methods A* createA(); B* createB();, but any concrete factory returns the correct pair of derived types.
It goes deeper: I want to disallow A * a = new A1; B * b = new B2;.
 
> (...) while running the program it simply exists. (...)
Sounds like philosophical C++.
Dammit, I can't search my comments!
 
2:30 AM
Existence is wonderful. I dread the day I will begin to nonexist.
 
I don't. I can't experience nonexistence.
So, I exist forever.
 
I think you may not be familiar with the concept of "slow and painful" :-)
 
2:45 AM
But that's related to existence, not to nonexistence.
And while I exist forever, my existence will likely have a finite duration.
 
But you may well become aware of your imminent cessation of existence.
 
Is that a threat? ;)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Do I look threatening?
I'm not even running for moderator!
 
That green fish has some scary teeth.
 
Just two of them. And they're mostly for show.
 
3:15 AM
Question: do range-based for loops require you not to mutate the container in the loop body?
 
I think they just follow the regular invalidation rules.
 
But there's nothing to invalidate, since there's no deterministic iteration order.
 
It uses iterators.
 
But not transparently to the user.
 
It is defined to be equivalent to:
{
    auto && __range = range-init;
    for ( auto __begin = begin-expr,
            __end = end-expr;
        __begin != __end;
        ++__begin ) {
      for-range-declaration = *__begin;
      statement
    }
}
Argh, that but well formatted.
So, if the statement is something that would not be ok in such an old-style loop, it isn't ok in a range-based loop.
 
3:23 AM
I see. So any any insertions or erases are essentially out.
 
On some containers, yes.
 
I mean, the *__begin must also be valid!
 
__begin being an iterator requires that already.
 
3:39 AM
Yeah, but it could have been invalidated in the body
 
You know, it's really annoying that I chastise my classmates for using global state and other kinds of things, and then they have to use crap like GLUT in class.
 
What I meant is that not only the statement has to be valid, but also the line above it.
@RMartinhoFernandes And any professor seems to mandate using namespace std; everywhere.
 
We don't have C++ classes though.
But several students end up using horrid C-with-classes for the OpenGL course.
 
Has GLUT ever been used for anything other than teaching?
 
Don't think so.
I do agree that a simple library to abstract the window system is good to teach OpenGL.
But GLUT's design is a pinacle of horridness.
 
3:54 AM
It's a shame all OpenGL tutorials are outdated
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Say, you have two windows, and keep handles in variables win1 and win2. How do you hide the second one? glutSetWindow(win2); glutHideWindow();.
Internet's broken.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:20 AM
how to remove the "what's hot" thing in google+?
 
5:35 AM
@Pubby Not all! Only the ones that 98% of newbies read :( Direct them to duriansoftware.com/joe/… and arcsynthesis.org/gltut!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Wish I would known about those earlier! Although they don't seem to go to GL 4.x
 
The first one is based on 2.0, but restricts itself to features that were not deprecated. The second covers 3.0. I don't know of any that covers 4.0. But the difference between 3 and 4 is nowhere near the difference between the deprecated and new APIs.
Learning 3.0 is not harmful. But learning the old API is.
 
At least the old API was approachable. 4.x requires 1000 lines before you can draw a triangle.
I wish Khronos would just start over. They've reached the point where 90% of the library is deprecated features.
 
All the deprecated features were removed in 3.1.
Drivers didn't stop supporting them, though.
 
Really? I recall being able to use immediate mode in a 3.1 context
 
5:50 AM
You need to enable compatibility mode.
But if they started over, I'd really love to see all that state machine dance disappear.
The glBind* shenanigans are really annoying.
 
I wonder who came up with the idea for glBind
 
SGI.
For some reason they thought global state was the best thing ever.
 
I hope SGI gets glBind'd to a rock and have a glVulture eat out their glLiver
Strikeout doesn't works in chat
 
Ouch. Please remind me never to piss you off.
@Pubby Triple dashes before and after: ---striked out--- gives striked out.
> error: elaborated-type-specifier for a scoped enum must not use the 'class' keyword
Anyone can decipher this error?
 
6:07 AM
Are you trying to use an enum class?
 
This causes it.
enum class foo : identity<char>::type {
    a = 'a'
};
 
@RMartinhoFernandes But char instead of identity<char>::type works?
 
hello all
hello
I want to learn embedded. So any one can help me?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Type has to be integral apparently
 
Can any one give me good references?
 
6:12 AM
@Stacky Are you looking for lvalue references or rvalue references?
on a more serious note:
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Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkUnlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a good C++ book. It is way to big and complex for doing this. In fact, it is so big and complex, that there are many bad C++ book...

@Pubby Isn't char integral?
 
char is clearly floating point
 
enum class foo : identity<char>::type {
    a = 'a'
};
Sorry about that delay, the network coverage here is stellar.
And figured it out. identity was on another namespace.
The error is very helpful btw.
 
@FredOverflow thanks
 
WTF kind of error is that? A scoped enum must use the class or struct keywords. How come the error says it must not? I'm filing a bug.
 
6:29 AM
hi
 
morning
 
6:45 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes there's a bug in Visual C++ 10.0 and 11.0 where it doesn't like too much indirection.
@RMartinhoFernandes I have already filed
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Q: Is Visual C++ correct when it refuses this template-"dependent" based enum?

Alf P. SteinbachCode: #ifdef _MSC_VER # pragma warning( disable: 4480 ) // enum base as "nonstandard extension" #endif enum ShouldBeFine: char { hola }; enum Choice { a, b, c }; template< Choice c > struct Traits; template<> struct Traits<a> { typedef char Type; }; template<> s...

 
@AlfPSteinbach Oh, really? Can I have a link?
Oh, thanks.
 
please click on the button saying you can reproduce it
 
Do they care about that?
 
re sillibugs, Did You Know(TM) ... that the C# compiler csc, version 4, crashes if you invoke it from a console window with active codepage 65001?
 
(Also, I don't have an account on Connect, so...)
 
sbi
6:49 AM
> Consider throwing away your old account and rep to start all over with nothing. But don't do this to prove anything. Do it to learn. It doesn't matter when you reach your current rep again – or whether you reach it at all. When you feel the same resentment towards your new account you had felt towards the old, assume you have not learned enough, that you are repeating the old mistakes, and strife to become even more humble, more helpful, and less eager to gain rep. – me to genesis
> @sbi: So, do you think I should just logout, create a new account and try it again, from scratch? – genesis' answer
What should I have replied to that? "No, I was just joking"?
 
I think "No, I was joking :P" is better.
 
sbi
Well, I'm afraid that guy's beyond repair. I don't know what went wrong in his upbringing, but a 15yo banging his head against a community of grown-ups, unable to read the signs, or even open "suggestions" and adapting his behavior accordingly... Once they are in that stage, there's probably little left for outside intervention to fix.
 
@AlfPSteinbach That's why I use Console :P
 
@RMartinhoFernandes well it has its own problems. i couldn't get selection to work.
 
@sbi Seems like he's faring even worse than the joke candidacy of that YOU guy.
 
6:57 AM
@sbi "Consider throwing away your old account and rep to start all over with nothing." Fixed that for you.
 
well, they're all Israeli and Iranian agents trying to take over SO (continuing their battle in Wikipedia also, of course)
don't vote for any of them
;-)
 
sbi
I came home from work 12:30 last night, was in bed about 1:30, and had to get up early, because some guy was expected to be here at 7:00 to fix my heating. I knew that, would I get up at 6:30, the guy wouldn't show up before 8:00, but that, would I stay in bed just a tiny bit longer, he would certainly bang at my door at 6:50. Sigh. So I got up at 6:30, after 5hrs of sleep, being very grumpy. And guess what, the guy just rang the doorbell – at 5 to 8.
As always, Debbie knows all about those morning:
What's wrong? You look like you had a fight with your shoelaces and it ended in a tie.
 
@sbi Pretty fkin close
at least he's gonna fix your heating?
 
Always bring an umbrella, to help ensure it won't rain.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Ain't much too fix. During the summer, the water pressure went down. He'll fill in some more water, and be gone in 20mins. I'm living in this apartment for >10 years, and it's always been the same after the summer.
 
7:01 AM
you make it sound so simple; could you do it yourself?
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Oh, yeah, this is definitely threatening to become one of those days!
@DeadMG I'm sure I could, if I had a hose long enough. But then, the company that passes as my landlord pays a company to maintain the heating, the guy give the system a quick glance for any visible problems before he disappears, and when he breaks something, he just gets more tools from his van and fixes it. I I break something while attempting to fill up water, I need to call my landlord and tell them I've broken something, and I bet they'll make me pay for the repair.
I'm a programmer for living, he fixes heating systems for a living. I suggest he stays off my programs, and I don't trespass on his terrain.
 
> My question is, what is the data type for numbers(example: zip code and telephone number(221-0019)) (...)?
Sigh, I'm constantly amazed by the number of people that doesn't know what a number is.
 
@sbi I guess that's true.
Wait- you rented an apartment for ten years?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Well, I can end the contract within 3 months, but an apartment of that size for the price I pay is impossible to come by in this area of Berlin nowadays, so this remains a theoretical possibility.
 
just seems strange to me that you wouldn't buy a place
every penny you pay on a mortgage, at least theoretically, you get back when you sell the place, or your children get back when you kick the bucket
but every penny you pay on rent disappears forever
 
7:11 AM
Rent is more flexible though.
 
sbi
@DeadMG I suppose I would have to pay thrice the money I pay now, for 20 years, to buy an apartment the size of mine. I simply do not have that money. Also, in 20 years my kids have all moved out, and what am I going to do with all those rooms then?
 
that's true
my parents are probably going to sell their house and pocket the rather large difference between a house the size of ours and a small retirement cottage
I guess that right now, it'd be a hell of a lot harder to buy than previously
especially if you have an existing cheap rent contract
 
sbi
I was to inject some code into some existing code the last few days. The code I had to write was simple, the problem was to find the proper spots to inject it. Then I ran into a monster of a function, about 250 LoC, all nested loops and branches, juggling about a dozen local variables which where constantly changed in order to influence the branching later on, into which most of my code was supposed to go.
Only, my changes didn't change anything. It turned out the function was only ever called for non-localized thingies, while the ones I was testing with were localized, and that there's an almost identical function doing the same work for localized thingies. OMG. Another 250 LoC, very obviously a simple copy-and-modify of the other function, and I needed to inject my code there, too.
 
oh dear
 
sbi
Of course, the code being about a year old, the two copies had already started to drift apart in places they were supposed to be equal... (I bet they started to do that the day after the copying.) Such things make my toenails curl up in disgust. I mean, I can understand that, sometimes, you have to go in and do this shit because a deadline is due tomorrow. But you are supposed to fix this next week!
 
7:19 AM
Is this a plot for a horror movie?
 
sbi
It turns out the guy who did this was the boss of R&D, so I had little chance to go over and yell at him. What's more, he explicitly forbid me to fix this, telling me to just inject my changes and be out of there in no time, ready to tackle the next task.
 
I'm going to have nightmares tonight
 
sbi
So I shrugged, injected my code, and was ready to go home last night by about 7pm. But it irked me, and it itched badly.
In the end, I decided to disobey. I stayed late last night and fixed this. It took about four hours to do that, which is a third of the time it cost me to dig through this mess for injecting my changes.
 
OMG you fixed it against orders? You're so going to get fired.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes :)
 
7:22 AM
lol
 
sbi
Really, if they fire me over this, I won't hesitate to leave them.
 
wtf, he forbade you to fix it?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Time pressure. As always.
 
didn't you just get that job?
 
sbi
@DeadMG In 2009. Is that "just"?
 
7:24 AM
no
isn't there someone here who just got a new job in like, the last couple months?
maybe that was jalf?
 
I think @Lews got something within the last month.
Nov 8 at 11:18, by Lews Therin
I got a job!
 
sbi
This all is now one function, not two, plus half a dozen helpers, most of them three-liners. Interestingly that one function has now only one parameter more than the other two, and is a little more over 100 LoC long. I could even reduce it further, but nobody here would see the point, so I don't dare to spend more time on this. Also, those were just 500 out of what's probably half a million LoC now, and I don't feel like going quixotic right now.
 
owch, half a million LoC?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, but @jalf told us about getting a (new) job a few months ago, too.
 
the biggest project I ever did, I stopped at about 5k LoC
although I guess that technically, I'm probably a pretty efficient coder to begin with
 
7:27 AM
lol
 
sbi
The biggest project I ever worked in had several MLoC. In C++. on single core machines back then, it took 50mins to compile the thing from scratch, and 10mins to link it.
Some of you here are likely to have that software installed. There's several million installations out there, I was told.
 
My previous flatmates beat that by large margin on a Java project two years ago. I remember them having a single file with 3kLOC that brought their IDE to its knees when open.
@sbi I know you don't like to give out many details, but can you at least tell us the platform?
 
a single file with 3k LOC? that's not much
must be one shitty IDE
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Most of the installations are on Win and Mac. A few are on almost any flavor of Unix you can think of. Those on Mac and Win are a plugin to a very popular software suite. That's were the millions of installations come from. :)
 
GCC's Hello, World is 19k LOC after includes
 
7:30 AM
@DeadMG That was Java.
 
@sbi At my first company I worked on a project of similar proportions 10-15 million lines of code and almost 1hr build time. I had to work on PowerPC with Metrowerks Codewarrior compiler. Ugh..
 
and I'll bet you that if you add a few Standard and Boost headers, and the Windows headers, you could end up with nearly mloc
yeah, but that just makes it more amazing that the ide couldn't handle 3k loc
as Java is way simpler to deal with than C++
 
@DeadMG Also, I'm only counting lines they wrote.
 
at this rate, my hand-rolled parser might hit more than 3k LoC
and right now, it's all going in the excellently-named "parser.cpp"
 
@DeadMG Dunno. It was NetBeans, which seems to be written by Sun.
 
sbi
7:32 AM
@StackedCrooked I remember CW. A nice compiler for the time, and with MWRon and their mysterious Andreas (their compiler guru in Munich, which I never learned more about then his first name) we had the best support I ever saw. Sadly, MW ousted themselves from the market pretty efficiently.
 
@DeadMG Yeah, but parser code is one of those kinds of code where large chunks of code and gigantic functions are ok.
 
well, actually, I won't have any gigantic functions
except perhaps expression parse, where I'd have to switch between about 20 different operators and stuff
 
@sbi It was a good and I think also fast compiler, but a horrible IDE (to my tastes). Alse we hit a symbol limit after a while and could compile the project anymore unless we did some strange workarounds.
 
there's just going to be a lot of functions
 
@DeadMG Right, that's what I meant. Big dispatchers.
 
7:33 AM
yeah
also, I expect that most parsers are automatically generated, and I can forgive shitty coding standards in auto-generated code
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Ah, that's bad. And I hated to work on the Mac, since it required me to constantly find the mouse under the mess on my desk. In Windows I can navigate by keyboard even programs I have never seen before. (Unless they are ported from the Mac, that is...) I had to do work on the Mac, though, since VC never supported two-phase lookup, and my lib code was full of templates. That combination made the Mac guys complain that nothing I ever checked in compiles.
 
Yeah, Apple hates us keyboarders.
 
sbi
I only had a bit more than 100kLoC in that big project, and almost half of that was test code. I wrote that in 7 years. But I ran a very tight ship. No redundancies, mostly achieved by templatizations to the point that made my cow-workers' eyes bleed. I'm sure some of them still hate me for this. Others are telling me they like working in my code, but feel bad for being unable to maintain its level of tightness.
 
so how fast do you generally churn out LoC?
 
@sbi It was quite common for use to sync the code-base on Monday morning and be greeted with many little compiler errors that result from the weekly merge on Friday night. It was actually a fun way to start the week.
 
7:38 AM
3 lines per 3 days. That's my current average speed.
:)
 
lol
 
sbi
@DeadMG Lines of code are an absolutely useless measure for anything except for compiler performance.
 
true true
I expect that I'd churn faster if I stopped perfecting every line I'd already written before writing new lines
 
I like how you use "perfecting" instead of "improving".
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@DeadMG But would the end result be better?
 
it might be a little more useful
a lexer ain't much use on it's own
 
7:40 AM
A lexer is enough for a basic syntax highlighter.
(Unless you have one batshit crazy language.)
 
for that I'd need an IDE
what I'm dreading most is code generation
LLVM takes forever to link and compile
 
I heard clang is pretty fast.
 
At my current job we are still doing last-minute fixes on a produce that was planned to be released in September :D
New issues keep popping up.
 
on the plus side
my parser is chock full of nice useful error messages
 
@DeadMG I thought it had a reputation of being fast?
 
7:43 AM
uh
that probably means "the result is fast to execute"
not LLVM itself takes forever to link and compile when you include it's headers and push "build"
 
I think that at some point, I'll have to re-write this anyway
 
sbi
In that big project, except for a silly bug in the very beginning (changing a vector I was iterating over), for the 7 years I worked in there only to produce 10-150kLoC, I never ever checked in a single crashing bug into the trunk. I found one about once or twice a year with my testing, and some of those might have been lurking for a while on a private branch I was developing a feature on, but I'm ashamed to even admit that, and certainly none of these ever got checked into the trunk.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It's a fast C++ compiler. So it's not that fast either.
 
7:46 AM
because
 
sbi
I did have logic bugs, though, of course.
Others produced many times as much code as I did. But it's not that their code was doing more than mine (however that could be measured other by gut feeling), and they all regularly got reports about crashing bugs.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes heh, instant recall
 
if I make an IDE based on my current parser
it won't lazily evaluate stuff very well
this will do for now, and it'd be fine for a CLI tool, but it's not designed to support incremental parsing
 
Oh, a parser for an IDE has an entirely different set of requirements.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked September which year? :)
 
7:48 AM
@sbi It's not that bad :D
 
@sbi some people are interested in economics, others in quality, and yet others in dominance. i think my main mistakes in the workplace have been to assume that nobody can be only interested in the latter. yet, they are.
 
@sbi Doesn't sound at all like your current job.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes At my current job, they prevent most cases of crashing bugs by resorting to C#. :(
 
@sbi u can also just turn off assertions in the version u ship to client. at least one workplace in norway practices that.
 
@sbi I don't understand. C# code can crash as well.
 
sbi
7:51 AM
@AlfPSteinbach Yeah, right, don't assert for stray pointers anymore, that will certainly prevent crashes...
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, but it's so much harder to do that accidentally.
@AlfPSteinbach I don't think there's a lot of dominance at work where I work. FWIW, I would enjoy going to a pub with my R&D boss. Of the other half a dozen developers, one I don't like (nor does he like me, but we do get along), two I'm indifferent about, and the rest are very nice chaps.
I never got into a corporate setting with a bad social climate. But that's no accident either, I'd like to think. I relinquished big money in favor of small companies. I like to be able to tell the boss that he just fucked up, have a yell at each other if necessary, and then slap each other's shoulders again.
FWIW, I still have a beer with a former boss of mine about every half a year.
 

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