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5:00 PM
but invalid in c++98 (including TC1)
 
sbi
@Fred BTW, I still think you shouldn't post code that's wrong, even if the text says so. It's one of the things I learned when teaching C++: Never ever show code that's wrong (except with a read line striking right through it). People don't read the text, they just scan over the whole thing and see the code. You should fix the assignment in stackoverflow.com/questions/4172722/4172724#4172724
Or leave out the implementation altogether.
 
really if you want to test something gcc is very bad because it accepts a huge host of invalid code (in my experience they don't really care about accepts-invalid bugs). clang is way better there
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb "they don't really care about accepts-invalid bugs" you should hear the VC team respond to such...
 
yeah it should really checn for self assignment -.-
lol
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb No!
 
5:03 PM
@FredOverflow Yes. You are using std=c++0x option aren't you?
 
@sbi But how can I discuss a problem without showing wrong code? Anyway, I will think about it... thanks for theinput.
 
i know he should link to Gman's answer :)
 
sbi
@Johannes He did. And your message is the proof of what I just said: people don't read the text, they just scan the code.
 
@Fred sure but then you should say in your answer that the code is wrong
 
5:04 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Actually, I do. See the update.
 
ohh wait he updated it!
 
sbi
No the link had been in there all the time: stackoverflow.com/posts/4172724/revisions
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Which code is wrong, exactly? The only thing I see is the exception safety issue, and that has four lines of comment in it...
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Yep, that. Never mind the comments, people will paste them right with your code. (Yep, they do. I learned this the hard way.) Remember: never ever show them wrong code.
 
@sbi So do you think I should go for c&s right away? Isn't that too many steps at a time for someone learning about the rule of three?
 
5:07 PM
@Fred just the self assignment but you updated it
for not too few classes C/S isn't suitable
 
@JohannesSchaublitb do the complexity guarantees of the STL allow c&s for string or vector implementations? I guess not?
@sbi Do you consider exception-unsafe code wrong?
 
they require O(1) for swap for vector and string
so C/S would seem to fit
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I don't mean swap, I mean operator=
 
but I'm really not a library guy :)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Yep.
 
5:10 PM
@sbi I see. I'll take a nap over that matter and reconsider in the morning :) But I still think jumping right ahead to c&s is too much for newbies.
 
@Fred but if ther eis no O(1) then c/s would be impractical which is why i mentioned it.
i really can't see why C&S wouldn't work for std::vector and std::string maybe there is some problem with allocators or such
 
@JohannesSchaublitb speaking of library guys, do you watch Stephan's videos here? channel9.msdn.com/Tags/c++
 
Gotta go. Good night everyone. (11:00 pm here) :)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow I can understand this. In fact, this is why I suggested just skipping over implementations and just emphasizing the requirement to actually have all three in the first place.
 
@PrasoonSaurav cu
 
sbi
5:12 PM
@Prasoon Sleep well!
 
@Fred oh haven't known it. bookmarked
 
where do i ask if i have questions about this chat? is there a meta chat? :)
 
@Prasoon have fun
 
sbi
@Fred I dunno. I think meta.so is the place to go.
BTW, got an answer to my bugreport:
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A: Markdown in chat fails for multi-line messages

rchernIt is basically assumed that if you have something that is multi-line, you're either pasting a block of text and submitting it, or you're posting a block of code and the whole thing is going to be fixed-font/code. Markdown is only processed for single-line messages, unless the entire thing is co...

 
@JohannesSchaublitb Ah, allocators have always eluded me. Another great topic for a FAQ :)
 
sbi
5:14 PM
But you could just ask here.
@JohannesSchaublitb Yeah, for me, "bookmarked" equals "thrown into the black hole". The world produces way to much information for me...
 
@sbi Asking about the existence of a meta chat would have to go in a meta-meta-chat, right? :)
 
sbi
@Fred Yeah, suggest this as a feature on meta. :)
 
@Fred but then the question would be already answered. because if there is a meta meta chat there is also a meta chat xD
 
@JohannesSchaublitb LOL
 
sbi
5:16 PM
But meta metas itself. There's no meta.meta.so.
 
@sbi It does? That was news to me.
 
meta is curiously recurring
 
sbi
@Johannes haha!
I guess we could safely switch to German by now. @Prasoon is gone, @thecosh (SCNR) ihas been quiet for long, and @Jerry never said a word when he showed up. That leaves us three. :)
 
int x;
int y = x; // this is undefined behavior, right?

struct S
{
int i;
};

S a;
S b = a; // is this also undefined behavior?
 
5:19 PM
Oh, warum funktioniert die Code-Formatierung nicht?
 
@Fred it is not undefined
beide sind definiert
 
@JohannesSchaublitb But reading from an unitialized local variable is undefined, right? Damn, this was supposed to be in main :)
 
25
Q: What does main return?

Johannes Schaub - litbI have this question, which i thought about earlier, but figured it's not trivial to answer int x = x + 1; int main() { return x; } My question is whether the behavior of the program is defined or undefined if it's valid at all. If it's defined, is the value of x known in main?

 
int main()
{
int x;
int y = x; // this is undefined behavior, right?

struct S
{
int i;
};

S a;
S b = a; // is this also undefined behavior?
}

This is what I actually meant.
 
yes both are undefined
 
5:22 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Okay that's what I thought
 
note that even if you change int to char or unsigned char it is undefined
 
Here's something I've wondered: will "ordinary" C++ programmers need to know about rvalue references once the new standard comes out, or can they pretend rvalue references don't exist? Hm, may I should ask that on SO :)
 
yeah i think it would be a nice question
 
@sbi I'm still here -- just reading through the last few minutes worth to see what's being discussed. Switching to German won't hurt though: I'm accustomed to not being able to understand what's being discussed anyway...
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Did you put four spaces in front?
 
5:25 PM
Haha this is some code
hmm doesnt work -.-
 
sbi
int main()
{
int x;
int y = x; // this is undefined behavior, right?

struct S
{
int i;
};

S a;
S b = a; // is this also undefined behavior?
}
 
oh it did :) with some delay
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin You owe me a new keyboard for that! :) (And did I mention I spent all my stars for today...)
@Fred What I did is paste your code into a question editor window on SO, hit the 101010 button, and pasted the result back here. Seems to work fine.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb A normal program should be able to ignore rvalue references. They're mostly an optimization, and you can get benefit (faster execution) without even realizing they exist. At some point they might want to learn about it to get perfect forwarding though...
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Here it is stackoverflow.com/questions/4173774
 
sbi
5:28 PM
0
Q: Who needs to learn about rvalue references?

FredOverflowI see lots of people having problems understanding rvalue references. Will "ordinary" C++ programmers need to know about rvalue references once the new standard comes out, or can they just pretend rvalue references don't exist? Do rvalue references primarily concern library implementors or all pr...

@Fred Nothing but the link.
 
@sbi Looking forward to the answers :)
@sbi What do you mean when you say "nothing but the link"?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow The chat will inline an SO posting when the link to it is the only thing in a message.
 
@sbi oh cool!
 
sbi
2 hours ago, by sbi
BTW, *some advice for newcomers* here:
You can edit your messages for 2mins. Try the `v` arrow to the left of it. You can edit your last messages using `cursor up`, `escape` cancels this.
Markdown sort of works here, but we've come to rename it as Letdown, because it's pretty buggy.
Links to a few sites (all SE site, Wikipedia, Twitter etc.) will inline an excerpt of the page linked to, when they are the only text in a message.
Reply to others using the familiar @syntax. Reply to specific messages by clicking on the little down-right arrow appearing at its very right when you hover over it.
 
1
Q: playing with GCC 4.6 on windows

FredOverflowI am very pleased to find out that GCC 4.6 supports the range-based for loop. I found an experimental release of MinGW 4.6 on xvidvideo.ru, is that a well-known, reliable website? What other options do I have (besides compiling myself from source code)?

 
sbi
5:30 PM
@Fred You got it.
But we don't have a badge for that. :(
 
@sbi I didn't fully read the text obviously... a recurring theme :)
 
sbi
@Fred That's fine, we all fail on that. That's why we need to take it into account while writing texts.
 
How do I insert a new line when editing? :)
cool
 
sbi
Shift+Enter
Yep, works.
 
@sbi Do we have any chat badges?
 
sbi
5:32 PM
@FredOverflow Dietmar? (I know, I know, a bad one...)
 
@sbi I don't get it.
 
why does the chat main window shake sometimes?
it's annoying :/
 
@JohannesSchaublitb It's a glitch in the matrix, possibly caused by undefined behavior.
 
sbi
I think it does so when reloading. I thought it's just my FF, weight down by the 143 open tabs.
 
5:33 PM
@sbi 143??? Jesus Christ.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Haha! (And did I mention...)
@Fred: I didn't count.
Does have FF something to see all the open tabs so I could count?
 
@sbi You could hit Ctrl+W repeatedly until all windows are closed ;) And count how many times you hit Ctrl+W manually.
 
sbi
But there's a reason they are all open!
 
you can bookmark all tabs into some folder and then look how many you collected there :)
 
@sbi Yeah. The reason is you opened them sometime in the past.
 
sbi
5:35 PM
Did I mention that bookmarking anything is worthless with me?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Nice trick!
I bookmarked SO
 
@sbi what does SCNR mean?
 
@thecoshman Sorry could not resist
 
I see....
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb The menu won't fit on my screen without scrolling. Counting this is a pain.
 
@sbi you have the "organize bookmarks.." thing
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Yeah, I'm already at it.
 
sbi
It doesn't seem to tell the number of items either, though.
Oh, there it does!
...bookmarking all tabs of five open windows...
 
you can select all bookmarks and then it says "X items"
 
sbi
5:40 PM
Ok, Ok, it's just 5+17+5+10+49 tabs. A lot less that what I posted further up. <shame>
 
still quite a few xD
 
sbi
Anyway, I put FF down to less than average priority, because it kept busying one CPU all by itself.
 
i found on linux chromium is a whole lot of faster. but sadly it doesn't have all these nice plugins -.-
 
sbi
The nice thing about FF is that, when I need to boot my notebook and just shut it down, it will come up again and ask to restore the session. I have tabs open for months, with article I meant to read but haven't got around to yet...
 
Will "The Design and Evolution of C++" ever be updated? It's such an interesting read, but it does not even mention the STL :-(
 
sbi
5:43 PM
@Fred I think Stroustrup had a pretty good and extensive HOPL paper out there somewhere, that covers some of C++' recent history.
 
going into google mode
Found June 2007 paper, is that it?
 
haha i got my puzzle url back from some mod xD stackoverflow.com/questions/322007/…
hmm it doesn't display deleted questions :)
 
@sbi He gave a presentation at HOPL-II, but it's only intended to cover '79-'91.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Maybe, read it long ago.
 
@sbi So it's not the "What is C++0x" paper from 2009? Seems also interesting. Must read more. Must install printer :)
 
sbi
5:45 PM
@Fred. I encouraged @Jerry to change your question so it won't get closed. I suppose it's alright with you?
 
@sbi Sure it is. Go ahead.
 
sbi
@Johannes Read this:
42
A: Should the community wiki police be shut down?

Jeff AtwoodImportant change End users can not mark questions wiki anymore, so the only appropriate way to get action on a question you believe really should be wiki, is to flag it for moderator attention. A couple points.. Vote-to-wiki will not be implemented. When the answer to a problem is "let's ma...

@Fred I might remember this wrong. Maybe it did not cover what I remember.
 
it's THE answer haha
 
@sbi: maybe you should spell out FTPS, I needed a couple of seconds to figure it out from context ;)
 
wow we can't make wiki questions anymore
 
sbi
5:51 PM
@FredOverflow That was my intention!
 
Ah, doing a bit of looking, he also did a presentation at HOPL-III: www2.research.att.com/~bs/hopl-almost-final.pdf
 
@sbi do we need a faq about C++ abbrevs? :) RAII, CRTP, FTPS...
 
sbi
@Jerry That seems to be the one I remember!
@Fred Haha, nice idea! I guess this one really would be shutdown, though.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb not to be confused with sftp!
 
sbi
5:55 PM
Well, it's 7pm on a Saturday night here. I really need to go to buy some groceries now. I will have to cook for a bunch of kids tomorrow. Need to fill the fridge before that.
See y'all later!
 
You may not know FTPS because it doesnt exist :)
It stands for "function template partial specialization"
 
i still need to clean my room wash my clothes, shower and then buy some food all today xD
 
@JohannesSchaublitb My cloths are clean, but the rest... :)
 
seriously that would be the worst feature ever part of the draft.
lol
 
@JohannesSchaublitb what? ftps? or cleaning clothes?
 
5:57 PM
ftps lol
 
"A C++ programmer shall wear clean clothes all the time!"
 
sad for their gf/bf xD
 
@Fred: Loophole? The clothes are required to be clean, but that doesn't mean the programmer has showered in the last week!
But I suppose that's why deodorant was invented...
 
@JohnDibling Who cares about the programmer's body? It's encapsulated by his clothes!
 
lol solid point
 
Wow, there's a whole crowd in here...
 
whoa james just flew in!
 
I heard something was said in here about contextual keywords coming to C++0x...
 
@JamesMcNellis details!
 
(And by "heard" I mean "I saw it in the history but now can't find it...")
 
6:12 PM
@JamesMcNellis That's what we need -- more context sensitivity. Clearly C++ doesn't have nearly enough of that yet.
 
@JerryCoffin @JohannesSchaublitb said: "someone of the finnland delegation reportet to us on ##c++ about the progress. they are going to have context keywords for void f() override; and void f() final; i think i like that"
 
@JerryCoffin I think contextual keywords are great. Bjarne could have invented the syntax "virtual void fun() abstract" instead of "virtual void fun() = 0" without breaking old code using "abstract" as in identifier.
@JamesMcNellis wow that sounds great
 
If nothing else, void f() override looks better than [[override]] void f() IMO.
 
sbi
3 hours ago, by Johannes Schaub - litb
someone of the finnland delegation reportet to us on ##c++ about the progress. they are going to have context keywords for void f() override; and void f() final; i think i like that
3 hours ago, by sbi
Ugh. I'm not sure I like the idea of context keywords.
 
How did you do that ?! You are a master of letdown!
 
sbi
6:16 PM
@James See the list of starred and pinned messages to the right?
 
sbi
There's a pinned one starting with "BTW, some advice for newcomers..."
Read that.
(Click on the link under the time.)
 
Well, I'm probably handicapped by having written one too many parsers in my life, but the idea of adding context sensitivity (of any kind) just gives me chills, even when I can see how it wouldn't necessarily be a massive problem for users.
 
@Jerry: Lol, love your comment about schildt being fiction :)
 
@sbi I fail at letdown :|
 
sbi
6:18 PM
@FredOverflow Yeah, that one was awesome. Among the ones I spent to days stars before I even joined the discussion here.
 
@JerryCoffin why? you simply scan "return-type virtual identifier (parameters) identifier" and then check if the last "identifier" is "final" or "override"...
 
sbi
@James No, put the URL into its own message. Just the URL.
 
3 hours ago, by sbi
BTW, *some advice for newcomers* here:
You can edit your messages for 2mins. Try the `v` arrow to the left of it. You can edit your last messages using `cursor up`, `escape` cancels this.
Markdown sort of works here, but we've come to rename it as Letdown, because it's pretty buggy.
Links to a few sites (all SE site, Wikipedia, Twitter etc.) will inline an excerpt of the page linked to, when they are the only text in a message.
Reply to others using the familiar @syntax. Reply to specific messages by clicking on the little down-right arrow appearing at its very right when you hover over it.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
sbi
See, you, too, can do that! :)
Ok, I'm leaving the house now.
[afk again]
 
I wasn't paying close enough attention to the "Links to a few..."
Thanks
 
6:21 PM
hmm
 
Hmm, unary_function and binary_function are getting deprecated too.
 
@FredOverflow Because, among other things, it means you can't separate lexing from parsing -- and not even partial parsing at that. You need a full-blown parser that keeps track of the context correctly before you can even lex things correctly.
 
in c++ you can't separate the two anyway =)
at least not in c++0x, having the >> thing :/
 
@JerryCoffin (Noob question) How is this different than, say, the token "+" which represents two different operators? Is it because both of the things it represents are operators but in the case of override it could represent either a contextual keyword or an identifier?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb In current (03) C++ you can. The >> thing makes it a tiny bit harder, but only minutely -- yes, you technically have to add a bit of state to your lexer, but basically all you have to do is track whether you've lexing a template parameter list or not. The difficulty it adds is pretty minor by comparison.
@JamesMcNellis From a viewpoint of lexing, + is always the same token. During parsing, you look at the type, and decide whether that's a built-in operator, an overloaded operator, or illegal -- but you can always figure out what token you have without that.
 
6:34 PM
@JerryCoffin So, you can't cheat and say during lexing that override is an identifier and then when parsing say that when parsing a member function declaration it may be followed by the override identifier?
 
@JamesMcNellis You probably can, but then your parser can't really do its job the way you normally would any more (i.e., normally, the parse rule will reject incorrect input, but in this case you'd have to write the parse rule to accept any identifier there, and only reject anything else in the semantic action. It can be done, but it's ugly at best.
 
@JerryCoffin That makes sense.
 
@JerryCoffin But it's a backward compatibility concerned man's wet dream :)
 
7:03 PM
@sbi: NAEST
 
does this become the new IRC i wonder?
@Jerry hmm i see
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Hopefully yes for those of us that are IRC noobs. :-P
 
@Roger I'm still loving you. Haven't abandoned anyone xD
 
7:31 PM
I haven't been in a chat for like five years.
Most topics are just boring :)
 
@FredOverflow chat on C++ can't possibly be boring
haha
 
@Tony Exactly! You can talk about C++ for hours and hours. Such a wonderful language :)
 
hehe
what you coding in C++?
it is indeed a very beautiful language
but it has some annoying bits to it too... lol
 
nothing serious. my last "project" was game of life with sfml :)
I didnt't say "beautiful", i said "wonderful", because it makes you wonder a lot ;)
 
sfml?
 
7:33 PM
Simple and Fast Multimedia Library
www.sfml-dev.org/
 
ah ok
 
Oct 21 at 2:34, by James McNellis
C++ is a rather boring topic for a chat room...
 
that sounds like fun
why @JamesMcNellis
?
 
@Tony sfml is total fun. i remember the days when opening a window took multiple pages of C++ code. shudder...
 
sbi
@RogerPate Wow, then you're pretty much out of sync with the rest of your zone! :)
 
7:35 PM
@JamesMcNellis Chat tends to favor quick exchanges that can happen with relatively little thought or research. C++ tends to be rather the opposite, favoring a slower more thoughtful approach.
 
@JerryCoffin Yes.
 
@sbi: Your answer to the rule of three question has gained quite a lot of popularity. Let's see if it supersedes mine :)
@JerryCoffin Bjarne said somewhere that he doesn't like C++ talks because they tend to contain serious technical errors.
 
hehe
 
@FredOverflow I don't think that's true of most of the C++ talks I've been to, but I'm very picky about what I go to. I tend to dislike most talks because it's so difficult to find an audience that's close enough to a uniform skill level that they almost inevitably leave half the people lost and the other half bored, with only two or three really learning much.
 
Every C++ talk I have ever watched contained at least one error, but these errors are normally fixed by our brains on the fly.
 
sbi
7:45 PM
@FredOverflow I suspected this to happen the moment you accepted my answer.
 
@sbi Are people really influenced by that and don't read further down?
 
@FredOverflow Yes.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Well, that's the way it is with C++. You can hardly write ten lines of C++ without having an error, so how can you speak ten sentences without?
 
@JamesMcNellis Well that sucks. Not that I care about my rating, I just don't like that people behave that way :/
 
@sbi yes :(
 
7:47 PM
By the way, I just noticed that the feature to see changes in answers is pretty much useless with long answers.
 
@FredOverflow Oh, they almost all contain at least a few errors, but rarely what I'd call "serious technical" errors. At least to me, the errors are rarely the real problem.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb doubtful, I'm on the verge of just saying fuck it and requesting account deletion — seems I'm just not a good fit for SO after all
 
sbi
@RogerPate That would be really sad.
 
@RogerPate What is the problem exactly?
 
@FredOverflow: it's really nothing I should be surprised about, just normal crap that's everywhere, but seems persistent on SO (persistent as in both continuous and lasting impact)
 
sbi
7:51 PM
@FredOverflow Watch stackoverflow.com/questions/4174144/…. I came latest to the party and got accepted with only one up-vote, with two other questions having the same. I bet I'll have top-votes by tomorrow morning. (I won't bet anything substantial, though, lest you guys go in and come up with some brilliant answer, vastly outshining mine.)
 
the recent (~2 months) post deletions by admins on meta, which I just became aware of this past week, plus the reaction when I mailed about it, don't help
 
sbi
@RogerPate Try to tune it down a bit. I see that you're putting a lot of effort into SO, much more than you could ever get out of it. Try to make this more balanced, and it won't be as depressing.
 
@sbi It won't take a brilliant answer; we can all just downvote your answer ;-) (just kidding!)
@RogerPate Posts were getting deleted on meta?
 
@James: yes, I only noticed it when I went looking for a post and couldn't find it
 
sbi
7:54 PM
Most of us got far enough to do some housecleaning on SO, closing dupes, posting helpful comments, etc., but not all the time. Often enough, we just answer questions or even (Gasp!) ask some to get our work done.
 
apparently those with 10k tools were aware of it
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis That thought came to me, but I pushed it aside.
@RogerPate I have more and I wasn't.
 
2
Q: AS400, iSeries, and IBM-i are all the same system

Mike WillsIBM has had a identity problem for their midrange system over the past decade. There are several names for the same system. The tags I see mostly being used now in SO is [as400] and [iseries]. I have been trying to keep them updated to the current name [ibm-i]. The actual name for the system righ...

see comments there
@sbi: I mean 10k on meta
 
sbi
@RogerPate Oh, then... But even deleted questions aren't really gone. They can be undeleted.
@Roger What nick do you are under on meta?
Whoa!
That's 34 accounts! Is there any SE site you're not on?
 
when an admin deletes them out of hand without them being closed, it's not the same as 10k users casting delete and undelete votes
 
sbi
8:00 PM
No wonder you get frustrated!
 
I don't spend time on the majority, I just signed up :)
 
sbi
@RogerPate They were talking of voting to undelete them in the very question you linked to.
So they must still be around.
 
I mean the social/community aspect rather than the technical
example; seems just not to be a good fit
 
sbi
@RogerPate What's wrong with this? You told the guy, he didn't get it, he got down-voted, he'll learn. Move on.
 
8:05 PM
-1
Q: can anyone help me with this looping problem?

dokkebi8this is my quiz no.1 unfortunately my works were incorrect, my professor told me to use loop inside a loop, i hope someone can help me solve this as a reference for the next quizzes(i know it would get harder the next time :) ) Write a program named Exer11.java that will generate the given num...

 
sbi
Ah, the helpful homework tag! Told you it's good! :)
 
it is not.
you can find me on efnet and freenode
 
They've been talking about adding a new privilege for 20K+ rep. I wonder if one possibility wouldn't be forming some discussion areas where only higher-rep users are allowed to post at all. While such things have been tried (unsuccessfully in most cases) before, it might be worth another shot. Should at least remove most "I prefer to ignore the rules/mores of this society" kind of stuff.
 
Re the looping problem, the only "pattern" I can see for #1 is a complex one, sum of integers 1 through n except for multiples of 6 double previous item. Only two examples of that double rule so it's not like a very good pattern. Is there simpler?
 
sbi
0
A: Is [homework] an exception?

sbiI have been teaching a programming language (C++) for years. The last thing I needed when looking at the students' homework was was to spend time on searching the whole web for the place one of them copied their homework from. Of course it's often obvious when they just pasted code from somewhere...

 
8:16 PM
@AlfPSteinbach At least as I read it, Roger's concern was less with the problem itself than the tagging (see the comments).
 
yeah, but i get sort of attracted to things that should be simple but that i don't understand
i mean, as exercise for programming novice you don't give "print the answer (yes or no) to [a problem equivalent to Fermat's last theorem]. printing trivial while problem giving data to be printed pretty complex?
 
still no Legendary badge -.-
 
@JohannesSchaublitb What did you do to piss off Jeff? :-P
 
sbi
8:29 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb What's that for?
 
@sbi for having crossed the rep limit on > 150 days
 
Maybe if you request a rep recalc that might trigger it... (I have no idea...)
 
sbi
@Johannes Oh that. I'm not that big a fan of badges anyway.
 
@James rep recalc happened lately
 
sbi
Oh, Fred's question and the attention it attracted has caused me to hit the rep cap today. Bugger.
@JamesMcNellis How do you request that?
(And why would it help?)
 
8:33 PM
@sbi I can un-accept your answer if you want ;)
 
@sbi Flag one of your own questions for the mods to look at and say "i can haz recalc reps?" or something to that effect. I have no idea if that would help; it just might since that causes the rep displayed on your user page to sync up with your real rep.
 
sbi
How does it get out of sync?
@Fred Having second thoughts? :)
 
@sbi The reputation that gets displayed is cached for performance reasons. If a question you answered gets deleted or if posts you downvoted get deleted your displayed rep is not updated.
 
sbi
I see. So my rep is basically wrong, I just don't know if it's better or worse. :)
[I'm going to be afk now.]
 
@sbi you can the real rep in the /reputation file
 
8:37 PM
@sbi You can find out by going to stackoverflow.com/reputation to see all of your reputation activity. Your real rep is at the bottom.
 
@sbi Just as an experiment, I have un-accepted it. Let's see what happens now... :)
 
@Fred what are you looking for?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I want to see if people really upvote the answer they see first.
 
"rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes only on 5 days" -- why is emphasizing "only"?
 
@Alf it emphasizes "from upvotes"
i mean it attaches to that, and not to the days :)
the second line is the numbers you reached from upvotes and accepted answers
 
8:44 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb The first few times I read that I thought it was making fun of me (you've only reached the rep cap on x days! you suck!)
 
yeah i thought that too first haha
 
:_- Thx
 
sbi
9:08 PM
rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 48 days
rep cap was exceeded on 51 days
 
@sbi Epic!
 
sbi
@James Isn't that a badge, too?
 
@sbi 50 days is epic.
150 is legendary
 
sbi
I already have that.
(Did I mention I'm not that interested in badges?)
 
@sbi Another fun fact about the rep: even the numbers on the rep report are sometimes wrong... I got Legendary at 146 or 148. (I'm not too interested in badges... except maybe tag badges: that's why I'm only answering questions tagged vector from now on :-P)
 
sbi
9:12 PM
Oh, apparently I'd lose 281 rep at a recalc. Makes me not too eager... :)
@JamesMcNellis Oh, let's see whether you stick to that! we'll make sure we'll dangle some really juicy string questions in front of you...
 
@sbi I'm most proud of my bronze constructor badge, which you also have! lol
 
sbi
So, do I?
(Did I mention...)
@James Here's a nice one to ignore, since it doesn't have a vector tag:
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Q: Pure virtual functions may not have an inline definition. Why?

Armen TsirunyanPure virtual functions are those member functions that are virtual and have the pure-specifier ( = 0; ) Clause 10.4 paragraph 2 of C++03 tells us what an abstract class is and, as a side note, the following: [Note: a function declaration cannot provide both a pure-specifier and a definition —en...

 
Given my attitude about it, I was most excited about getting the Java badge...
 
sbi
@Jerry That would never happen to me. :) (OTOH, I think I have answered one or two c# questions.)
 
@JerryCoffin Java and C#!
 
sbi
9:23 PM
Heretic! And you dare to come to the C++ Lounge?!
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i don't understand the ppl. i never had all my votes used up ever :)
 
@sbi Nah, I like your answer. "The syntax would be too confusing." I think that would make this the first thing left out of C++ for that reason ;-)
 
@sbi Disgusting, ain't I?
 
i too was surprised i got java
but then it's only bronze :)
"anon" aka Neil still keeps growing rep in c++ and i can't cope with him xD
 
@JohannesSchaublitb You're only 1,200 +1's away from him; you should be able to close that gap in a month or so!
 
9:34 PM
@James i think it was that way a month ago too
if not closer
 
Ha ha ha
 
hmm i think i'm wrong. he gained 322 this month on SO
*320
 
sbi
9:51 PM
@JamesMcNellis Obviously I'm remembering this wrong. I can't find it in D&E.
@JerryCoffin No. Actually, I usually sympathize with heretics.
 
How do I make netbeans compile C++?
 
sbi
Wow. Today is the day of the old answers. I have just earned 5 up-votes on How to pass objects to functions in C++? Unfortuantely, this was after hitting the rep cap. :-x
 

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